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  1. #101
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    I only saw one undead Night Elf.

    The Dark Warden who is killed defending the Sunreaver, she was at the training grounds too. The rest were Thalassian, I even made a point of poking around to check.

  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    I especially liked the "you sent me to die" line.

    Fairly certain the order was "scout", not "try to yolo solo Nathanos and co."
    You're not thinking "we want to explore multiple aspects of Night Elven culture" enough. She was obviously from some ethnic minority and things simply got lost in translation. Maiev could have said "scout" in the main dialect, but what was understood was "yolo solo anyone in your path, even if a Void Lord manifests in the physical plane".
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    Does the CIA pay you for your bullshit or are you just bootlicking in your free time?
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    Slant is an extremist, willing to sacrifice the lives of everyone to keep his wet dream of the EU alive.
    You shouldn't support people like him, it's like supporting ISIS.

  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    You're not thinking "we want to explore multiple aspects of Night Elven culture" enough. She was obviously from some ethnic minority and things simply got lost in translation. Maiev could have said "scout" in the main dialect, but what was understood was "yolo solo anyone in your path, even if a Void Lord manifests in the physical plane".
    A darn shame that eloon didn't help.

  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by eurojust View Post
    "As for Sira and Delaryn being raised and joining the Forsaken, that was a “very deliberate choice,” according to Danuser. The team wanted to show various aspects of the Night Elves, as opposed to presenting them as a monolith. We should expect to see them return, too, he says: “These characters are important to the Night Elf culture.”"

    https://www.polygon.com/2019/1/15/18...s-of-vengeance


    See, there's nothing about mind control here : Night Elves suddenly yelling "FOR DA HORDE", and loving their genociders is just some "aspect of the Night Elves".
    Now that's funny. Turns out siding with the people genociding them is just part of Night Elf culture. Then again, the Satyrs and Naga also give credence to the idea somewhat.

    What's the point of the Forsaken being free-willed when the vast majority of them don't even act like it, I wonder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    Now that's funny. Turns out siding with the people genociding them is just part of Night Elf culture. Then again, the Satyrs and Naga also give credence to the idea somewhat.

    What's the point of the Forsaken being free-willed when the vast majority of them don't even act like it, I wonder.
    Much like citizens in many democratic countries have the right to assemble peacefully for a redress of grievances, yet it happens quite rarely given the living conditions of a lot of people. It may be inertia, it may be fear, or just the good ol' "!@#$ off everyone, I'm better on my own".
    "The heart of the Horde" = Alliance-approved Horde

  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by VladlTutushkin View Post
    What are they even aiming at? I mean why they making those bloody undead characters? Whats the reason behind this mockery?
    Danuser hates the alliance, along with the other devs. So they oddly enough enjoy screwing alliance characters over. When ever they find a chance to. Darkshore is a clear example of that and the bad writing. Mages that could have opened portals to aid the nightelves with troops but never happened. Because Danuser and possibly Alex didn't want the nightelves to have a chance. Yet in the upcoming patch we are suppose to forget and move on past all the crap they wrote.

  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by eurojust View Post
    That's not really surprising : It's WoW Tyrande we are talking about.
    And yea it's free will, (you can read the interview and the writers) hence why the Horde don't care about it. However when Sylv mind control Derek, there you see the forsaken, etc. loosing their shit.
    I would really like to see this specific Interview where a writer (or any dev for that matter) says without a stupid smirk on his face that the Nelfs (or anybody else) surrected by Sylvanas joined the Horde out of their free will. Because i don't think such an Interview exists.

    What is absolutely clear is the comparison between Arthas and Sylvanas all the fucking time. Starting with WoT. The Delaryn scene was basically a carbon copy of Arthas killing+raising Sylvanas.

    I think Blizzard will keep true to this comparison till the end, which means at some point Delaryn will break free and lead other undead Night Elves against Sylvanas. Sira, on the other hand, i expect will die serving Sylvanas and whisper "Finally free....thank you..." when she goes down.

    Edit:
    I just took a look at the polygon article and the paragraph you refer to is:
    Quote Originally Posted by Polygon
    As for Sira and Delaryn being raised and joining the Forsaken, that was a “very deliberate choice,” according to Danuser. The team wanted to show various aspects of the Night Elves, as opposed to presenting them as a monolith. We should expect to see them return, too, he says: “These characters are important to the Night Elf culture.”
    I'm sorry, but it is not clear what the "deliberate" choice" is. The Writer telling this story or the characters joining the Horde. I read it in the former sense, that the writers deliberatly wanted Night Elves to be raised and join the Horde ranks because they have plans for these characters later on.

    Edit2:
    On an additional note regarding this Polygon article....if the writers really believe the rushed (and to some extend unplanned) Darkshore questline + Warfront were enough to balance 8 fucking months of non-stop Horde-Focus in 3 different types of media (Novels, in-game, prerendered videos)....then i just don't know what to say anymore. But seeing how there has been exactly ZERO followup to anything that happened at Dakshore since 8.1....it's probably 100% spot-on.
    Last edited by Nathasil; 2019-05-03 at 08:47 AM.

  9. #109
    I have a feeling that they are going to merge Dark Rangers and Wardens into a single class for players to choose next expansion. Either Delaryn is going to return to the Alliance to give them the Dark Ranger part, or they are going to make those eclipse NE be the reasoning for it.

    I think combining the two would give them enough wiggle room for at least two specs and it would give another (hopefully) mail class. They also might be able to squeeze a tank or healer spec into it. Given the Dark Ranger popularity when it comes to future class speculation, I think this would be a good compromise.

  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    Much like citizens in many democratic countries have the right to assemble peacefully for a redress of grievances, yet it happens quite rarely given the living conditions of a lot of people. It may be inertia, it may be fear, or just the good ol' "!@#$ off everyone, I'm better on my own".
    I mean, being best buds with the smelly dead people who sought to genocide your race and pulled you from your grave so you could fight for them is quite a step farther than not protesting high taxes IRL or something.

  11. #111
    Seems to imply the night elves are losing over in Darkshore? Interesting, to say the least.

    To be fair on the Wardens she could have just popped by the Vault of the Wardens. Lots of dead wardens in there.

  12. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Powerogue View Post
    Seems to imply the night elves are losing over in Darkshore? Interesting, to say the least.

    To be fair on the Wardens she could have just popped by the Vault of the Wardens. Lots of dead wardens in there.
    The Alliance is winning on all fronts, but before that the forsaken were around there for months, in theory they could have resurrected thousands of night elves from Ashenvale up to darkshore.

  13. #113
    They are just seeding the Alliance Dark Ranger race option for whenever they decide to add them at some point down the line.

  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Oswen View Post
    They are just seeding the Alliance Dark Ranger race option for whenever they decide to add them at some point down the line.
    They'd be a class rather than race wouldn't they? And we already have DKs and Hunters so dark Rangers just feel superflous.
    Twas brillig

  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathasil View Post
    I would really like to see this specific Interview where a writer (or any dev for that matter) says without a stupid smirk on his face that the Nelfs (or anybody else) surrected by Sylvanas joined the Horde out of their free will. Because i don't think such an Interview exists.

    What is absolutely clear is the comparison between Arthas and Sylvanas all the fucking time. Starting with WoT. The Delaryn scene was basically a carbon copy of Arthas killing+raising Sylvanas.
    Which makes it hilarious when people drive fingers into ears to the point of drawing blood and shriek "Lalala, there's no comparison! Muh Forsaken free will!" and so on.

    On an additional note regarding this Polygon article....if the writers really believe the rushed (and to some extend unplanned) Darkshore questline + Warfront were enough to balance 8 fucking months of non-stop Horde-Focus in 3 different types of media (Novels, in-game, prerendered videos)....then i just don't know what to say anymore. But seeing how there has been exactly ZERO followup to anything that happened at Dakshore since 8.1....it's probably 100% spot-on.
    Careful, it's heresy on this site to point out the Horde bias.
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    I'll buy an Anduin shirt if Delaryn doesn't end up betraying Sylvanas by the end of the expansion.
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    "Orc want, orc take." and "Orc dissagrees, orc kill you to win argument."
    Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/

  16. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    I mean, being best buds with the smelly dead people who sought to genocide your race and pulled you from your grave so you could fight for them is quite a step farther than not protesting high taxes IRL or something.
    That’s my issue with the storytelling too, with Delaryn at least Blizz made a start of showing it, but it’s still a fair distance between in your final moments being angry Elune didn’t personally swoop down to punch Sylvanas in the crotch to “You know what? I’ll join the people who murdered me and most of my friends, and help them kill who’s left!”

  17. #117
    Hoping at this point that Activision is finding replacements for Danuser and Alex. Nightelves have suffered enough already with the bad/crappy writing that is BFA/darkshore.
    The whole thing with Sylvannas and the forsaken this expansion is by far worst then Wod. Alliance attacking zandalar never made sense to begin with either.

  18. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    You have to remember this is the patch that excluded Tyrande from fighting the person formative to her leadership experiences, who's nightmares were centered around one day becoming like Azshara. All so her protege and adopted daughter could team up with the Horde five minutes after the Horde torched a large part of their race.

    Blizzard hate night elves. Or rather, they hate everyone that is in the way of the Unifaction and the night elves and Forsaken happen to both be in that bucket.
    Yeah, absolutely idiotic, too. Since Malf and Tyrande are the ones who know Azshara best out of all of them..., costs the plot a lot of credibility since someone with advanced knowledge of the enemy would be an invaluable asset to the fight. All this because of Danuser's and Afrasiabi's hate for nelves... stupid.

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    Just for reference, it isn't half of them, it's one single dark warden. The rest are high elven dark rangers.

  20. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by eurojust View Post
    "As for Sira and Delaryn being raised and joining the Forsaken, that was a “very deliberate choice,” according to Danuser. The team wanted to show various aspects of the Night Elves, as opposed to presenting them as a monolith. We should expect to see them return, too, he says: “These characters are important to the Night Elf culture.”"

    https://www.polygon.com/2019/1/15/18...s-of-vengeance


    See, there's nothing about mind control here : Night Elves suddenly yelling "FOR DA HORDE", and loving their genociders is just some "aspect of the Night Elves".
    Danuser is an idiot for starters. Nightelves turning against there own willingly is one reason why tons of players Hate Steve Danuser deeply. When Sylvannas was raised she was still controlled by Arthas. Until later on when she had her own free will when she could then attack him. To say that Sira and Delaryn would willingly kill there own people is some of the worst writing/garbage Danuser has ever came up with. Like many, we hope to see his name as one of the many that get layed off next by Activision. I stopped following most the story when they pushed darkshore to live. One of the biggest pieces of garbage patches that has ever been. Come on Activision get rid of Danuser from wow narrative team.

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