More undead Night elfs?

[Hellspawn]

Alliance has High Elves, Horde now has undead Night Elves. Seems fair

Horde Nightelfs are Nightborn

[MikeBogina]

Horde Nightelfs are Nightborn

H. Blood Elves = A. Night Elves
H. Nightborne = A. Void Elves
H. Undead Night Elves = A. High Elves

Understand it better now?

[Hellspawn]

H. Blood Elves = A. Night Elves
H. Nightborne = A. Void Elves
H. Undead Night Elves = A. High Elves

Understand it better now?

ookaay... suuure

To be fair, we can't believe Blizz devs at this point anyways. They already said we'd get surprised at post Garrosh Warchief and WoT and both ended in dullest option ever.
I still

I would not take their world for it aswell. Also there is a lot of room for interpretation.

[MatthiasVonTzeskagrad]

None of them have so far expressed direct support towards Sylvanas, or at least not more support to her than hatred and contempt towards Tyrande and Elune, feeling rejected and betrayed by their former people, leaders and beliefs is one of the core concepts of most Forsaken ever shown. It's why they are called Forsaken in the first place.

If else they failed to pace it well, so it looked like it came out of nothing, specially if you didn't read the book where Delaryn's inner thoughts in her last moments are told. But the whole twisting process is there, and can be applied to Sira, Delaryn... and pretty much any of the others. Only difference is how each of them handles the same experience, from the wisps that try to kill you to Sira going fucking pissed and Delaryn going depressive.

[VladlTutushkin]

None of them have so far expressed direct support towards Sylvanas, or at least not more support to her than hatred and contempt towards Tyrande and Elune, feeling rejected and betrayed by their former people, leaders and beliefs is one of the core concepts of most Forsaken ever shown. It's why they are called Forsaken in the first place.

If else they failed to pace it well, so it looked like it came out of nothing, specially if you didn't read the book where Delaryn's inner thoughts in her last moments are told. But the whole twisting process is there, and can be applied to Sira, Delaryn... and pretty much any of the others. Only difference is how each of them handles the same experience, from the wisps that try to kill you to Sira going fucking pissed and Delaryn going depressive.

Yes, yes and Sylvanas was pissed off at blood elfs and killed them willingly for Arthas. No? Really? Must have being some kind of a mistake then.
Blizzard could have EASILY done without those lore-breaking, edgy shits. They only added them to mentally torture Alliance (night elfs specifically) players and further mock a race and faction. There is no narrative “need” for them nor a reason for them to exist.

[Rozz]

What do you mean more? No one said Sira and Delaryn were the only ones, they are just representatives of the many Sylvanas had raised to replenish her rangers. There have always been that many since they claimed Darkshore and there will be more to come until Nathanos pulls out. He's been blatantly telling us he planned to use Alliance bodies the entire time, it's more weird we don't see more of this stuff.

[eurojust]

Where exactly? Source?

"As for Sira and Delaryn being raised and joining the Forsaken, that was a “very deliberate choice,” according to Danuser. The team wanted to show various aspects of the Night Elves, as opposed to presenting them as a monolith. We should expect to see them return, too, he says: “These characters are important to the Night Elf culture.”"

https://www.polygon.com/2019/1/15/18...s-of-vengeance


See, there's nothing about mind control here : Night Elves suddenly yelling "FOR DA HORDE", and loving their genociders is just some "aspect of the Night Elves".

[shadowmatrix]

Why is this such a shock to people, they seem to forget that Maiev tried to assassinate Tyrande and Malfurion at one point. Night Elves losing faith in Elune after that much tragedy isn't even a small problem.

Where is your goddess now high priestess? Where is she while your people burn along with your tree?

[VladlTutushkin]

Why is this such a shock to people, they seem to forget that Maiev tried to assassinate Tyrande and Malfurion at one point. Night Elves losing faith in Elune after that much tragedy isn't even a small problem.

Where is your goddess now high priestess? Where is she while your people burn along with your tree?

Because it still makes no sense for them to unite with the Horde who actually DID the genocide instead of for example breaking away from both factions and seeking revenge their own way.

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"As for Sira and Delaryn being raised and joining the Forsaken, that was a “very deliberate choice,” according to Danuser. The team wanted to show various aspects of the Night Elves, as opposed to presenting them as a monolith. We should expect to see them return, too, he says: “These characters are important to the Night Elf culture.”"

https://www.polygon.com/2019/1/15/18...s-of-vengeance


See, there's nothing about mind control here : Night Elves suddenly yelling "FOR DA HORDE", and loving their genociders is just some "aspect of the Night Elves".

And thats bloody fucken ridiculous. So they wanted to showcase some kind of split in the society not by actually making night elfs oppose Tyrande or Malf or Alliance as a part of it and having a say and such but by breaking up, making an 180 turn on their own ideals and joining the Horde to genocide Alliance and other night elfs. Nice.
P.S.
And how the hell are they important to the night elf culture if they abandoned everything and basically adopted Scourg/Thalassian ranger culture all the way to their outfits? They exatly that - non part of the culture.

[eurojust]

Why is this such a shock to people, they seem to forget that Maiev tried to assassinate Tyrande and Malfurion at one point. Night Elves losing faith in Elune after that much tragedy isn't even a small problem.

Where is your goddess now high priestess? Where is she while your people burn along with your tree?

That comparison is completely dumb. Maiev tried to make a coup for the sake of the Night Elves. She didn't side with Horde in order to genocide them just after they killed her.

Because it still makes no sense for them to unite with the Horde who actually DID the genocide instead of for example breaking away from both factions and seeking revenge their own way.

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And thats bloody fucken ridiculous. So they wanted to showcase some kind of split in the society not by actually making night elfs oppose Tyrande or Malf or Alliance as a part of it and having a say and such but by breaking up, making an 180 turn on their own ideals and joining the Horde to genocide Alliance and other night elfs. Nice.
P.S.
And how the hell are they important to the night elf culture if they abandoned everything and basically adopted Scourg/Thalassian ranger culture all the way to their outfits? They exatly that - non part of the culture.

This is what bugged me as well : They already had the inner conflict served on a silver platter with Maiev and her watchers who opposed Tyr/Malf for being the humans lapdogs.

[VladlTutushkin]

That comparison is completely dumb. Maiev tried to make a coup for the sake of the Night Elves. She didn't side with Horde in order to genocide them just after they killed her.

This is what bugged me as well : They already had the inner conflict served on a silver platter with Maiev and her watchers who opposed Tyr/Malf for being the humans lapdogs.

And also having them join Horde devaluates their possible message/protest/opposition to Tyrande and current NE course simply because they openly joined an enemy and now no linger represent night elfs.

[Paperfox]

It could be a way of introducing a new class. The Nightborne are re-colored Night Elves, and the Void Elves are re-colored Blood Elves. And gameplay always wins over story.

[MatthiasVonTzeskagrad]

Yes, yes and Sylvanas was pissed off at blood elfs and killed them willingly for Arthas. No? Really? Must have being some kind of a mistake then.
Blizzard could have EASILY done without those lore-breaking, edgy shits. They only added them to mentally torture Alliance (night elfs specifically) players and further mock a race and faction. There is no narrative “need” for them nor a reason for them to exist.

Implying that Arthas and Sylvanas resurrection techniques are the same when they're not.
Seriously, if even Sylvanas Val'kyrs state they join freely, you have to kill spirits that don't accept the ress, and you know no undead opposed Arthas right after rez and all the undead risen in WC3 were due to necromancy and plagues instead of Valkyr... your argument is kinda shit.

[eurojust]

Implying that Arthas and Sylvanas resurrection techniques are the same when they're not.
Seriously, if even Sylvanas Val'kyrs state they join freely, you have to kill spirits that don't accept the ress, and you know no undead opposed Arthas right after rez and all the undead risen in WC3 were due to necromancy and plagues instead of Valkyr... your argument is kinda shit.

Oh yea the "special Valkyr rez" which makes you willingly become undead and join the side of your killer.
Man the Valkyrs really outsmarted Ner'zhul and Kel'thuzard on this one!

[Hellspawn]

"As for Sira and Delaryn being raised and joining the Forsaken, that was a “very deliberate choice,” according to Danuser. The team wanted to show various aspects of the Night Elves, as opposed to presenting them as a monolith. We should expect to see them return, too, he says: “These characters are important to the Night Elf culture.”"

https://www.polygon.com/2019/1/15/18...s-of-vengeance


See, there's nothing about mind control here : Night Elves suddenly yelling "FOR DA HORDE", and loving their genociders is just some "aspect of the Night Elves".

I have no words for this... how do you come even up with these ridiculus ideas?

[DemonHunter18]

LoL garbage.

[VladlTutushkin]

Implying that Arthas and Sylvanas resurrection techniques are the same when they're not.
Seriously, if even Sylvanas Val'kyrs state they join freely, you have to kill spirits that don't accept the ress, and you know no undead opposed Arthas right after rez and all the undead risen in WC3 were due to necromancy and plagues instead of Valkyr... your argument is kinda shit.

Scourge served Arthas because of mind control. When they got free and formed Forsaken they cahsed him all the way to Northrend and Sylvanas even killed herself after he was dead since she saw no reason to exist after her vengeance was complete so much she hated him. Delaryn and Sira? Insta love. See the bullshit here, right?

[Nathasil]

She hasn't brainwashed the dark rangers, they're just evil because Blizzard doesn't understand human motivation and/or for the cheap twist where they reveal that they were just pretending to be retarded. Personally I'm hoping the latter because I swore I'd buy an Anduin shirt if Delaryn doesn't betray Sylvanas at the end of this.

But yeah, Derek wasn't MC'd, he was tortured while the dark rangers told him the objective truth lies like how the Horde killed his dad and his sister let them do it. If he were MC'd he wouldn't have been able to have a change of heart. The Dark Rangers are similarly free-willed hence why the Val'kyr comments about how there's no willing souls nearby and why some become wisps and attack you.

The quest is not really explicit about it. It just says that some (most) spirits will not be able to be raised no matter what. It does not say at all that those who cannot resist will not be controlled. If you read the flavor text of the toy that this quest rewards: https://www.wowhead.com/item=166678/brynjas-beacon it almost certainly means that they ARE controlled against their free will.

Also, speaking about Sylvanas not even being there. What about Tyrande? She is supposed to be one of the most powerful individuals on Azeroth now with the connection to Elune enabling her to understand truths hidden to her before. Yet she does not tell us anything. She does not fight in the Darkshore Warfront. Se is not in the worldzone of Darkshore either. She is NOWHERE. The only thing she does in voice worldquests out of limbo.

[Traveler Voltin]

i see we are back to bitching about Sira and Delaryn again.
no explanation will make you happy about it so just stop it.

[eurojust]

The quest is not really explicit about it. It just says that some (most) spirits will not be able to be raised no matter what. It does not say at all that those who cannot resist will not be controlled. If you read the flavor text of the toy that this quest rewards: https://www.wowhead.com/item=166678/brynjas-beacon it almost certainly means that they ARE controlled against their free will.

Also, speaking about Sylvanas not even being there. What about Tyrande? She is supposed to be one of the most powerful individuals on Azeroth now with the connection to Elune enabling her to understand truths hidden to her before. Yet she does not tell us anything. She does not fight in the Darkshore Warfront. Se is not in the worldzone of Darkshore either. She is NOWHERE. The only thing she does in voice worldquests out of limbo.

That's not really surprising : It's WoW Tyrande we are talking about.
And yea it's free will, (you can read the interview and the writers) hence why the Horde don't care about it. However when Sylv mind control Derek, there you see the forsaken, etc. loosing their shit.