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  1. #401
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Shadow is the opposite of Holy, so Paladins would never use it.
    Priests do, and since paladins are literally "priests on plate", the connection is there. I'll also point you toward the Wrath of the Lich King reveal cinematic.

    Necromancy is forbidden among mages, and there’s huge penalty for using it among mage society, so a mage wouldn’t use it. Etc.
    Why not? Didn't stop other mages from doing it. Void is also forbidden by the blood elves... and we have void elves today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fetus Rex View Post
    When he speaks about their prowess. Hate does not prevent respect.
    He does not speak of those demons' power with respect. You do not need to respect someone to speak their deeds.

    But this time it is connected to a lore, even if from an outdated book.
    The RPG books are not "outdated", they're simply not canon.
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  2. #402
    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Priests do, and since paladins are literally "priests on plate", the connection is there. I'll also point you toward the Wrath of the Lich King reveal cinematic.


    Why not? Didn't stop other mages from doing it. Void is also forbidden by the blood elves... and we have void elves today.

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    He does not speak of those demons' power with respect. You do not need to respect someone to speak their deeds.


    The RPG books are not "outdated", they're simply not canon.
    He does he does. He praises them even.

    Yes, outdated then. Of course it doesn't mean they don't borrow things from it, they do all the time.
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  3. #403
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Yeah, but its not magic, its tech. Also Draenei/Naaru tech is similarly exotic, yet you had no issue with that.
    Because it's culturally tied and thematic to existing races. It's exotic but not OP on the level of Titan technology in the lore.

    And again, Titan technology is not magic. Calling it something it's not over and over again wont change that fact.
    But who are you marketting this to? If they put Tinker on the big screen at Blizzcon, and they say they're using Titan technology, then they better have a rock-solid concept behind it all. Otherwise it's a shallow concept in and of itself. I'm not looking for Nano-suit Ironman Tinkers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Because it's culturally tied and thematic to existing races. It's exotic but not OP on the level of Titan technology in the lore.
    And again, in lore we've already had an example of Goblin-Titan technology.


    But who are you marketting this to? If they put Tinker on the big screen at Blizzcon, and they say they're using Titan technology, then they better have a rock-solid concept behind it all. Otherwise it's a shallow concept in and of itself. I'm not looking for Nano-suit Ironman Tinkers.
    Frankly I dont think anyone would care. If anything, I believe that a class revolving around a warframe utilizing hybridized gnome/goblin-titan technology would make the class even more appealing to general audiences.
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  5. #405
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Frankly I dont think anyone would care. If anything, I believe that a class revolving around a warframe utilizing hybridized gnome/goblin-titan technology would make the class even more appealing to general audiences.
    Well, we agree on one thing then.

    Frankly, I don't think anyone would care either.

  6. #406
    Quote Originally Posted by Fetus Rex View Post
    He does he does. He praises them even.
    Then show me when he does that.

    Yes, outdated then. Of course it doesn't mean they don't borrow things from it, they do all the time.
    They were never canon. They were never said to be canon at any point. And even if they once were, they are not, currently. And even the books themselves don't make a distinction in the sense of which one is "better/more knowledgeable". So you pointing at the RPG books to create some false differentiation between "tinker" and "engineer" is just wrong.
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  7. #407
    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Then show me when he does that.


    They were never canon. They were never said to be canon at any point. And even if they once were, they are not, currently. And even the books themselves don't make a distinction in the sense of which one is "better/more knowledgeable". So you pointing at the RPG books to create some false differentiation between "tinker" and "engineer" is just wrong.
    In the books. Somewhere.

    They were considered such, also, again, Blizzard is heavily using it. There is a clear distinction between engineer and tinker in the game, even in visual depiction.
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  8. #408
    Quote Originally Posted by Fetus Rex View Post
    In the books. Somewhere.
    Sorry, but that doesn't work.

    They were considered such, also, again, Blizzard is heavily using it.
    They're not. The books are not canon.

    There is a clear distinction between engineer and tinker in the game, even in visual depiction.
    Then you will have no problem showing several examples. Where are they?
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  9. #409
    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Sorry, but that doesn't work.


    They're not. The books are not canon.


    Then you will have no problem showing several examples. Where are they?
    It works perfectly for me.

    They are they are.


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  10. #410
    Quote Originally Posted by Nnyco View Post
    Orcs, esspecially mag'har orcs, draenai and blood elves?
    Also undead. They’re part of the horde Tinker team

  11. #411
    Quote Originally Posted by Fetus Rex View Post
    It works perfectly for me.
    You need to provide the book and the quote.

    They are they are.
    You are not Blizzard. So you saying the RPG books are canon "for you" is absolutely irrelevant and meaningless to this subject.

    Yes, wow,
    No examples whatsoever anywhere;
    hearthstone,
    No examples whatsoever anywhere. Also not canon;
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  12. #412
    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    You need to provide the book and the quote.


    You are not Blizzard. So you saying the RPG books are canon "for you" is absolutely irrelevant and meaningless to this subject.


    No examples whatsoever anywhere;

    No examples whatsoever anywhere. Also not canon;
    What for? I'm convinced.

    I'm saying they are using them still.

    Yes, wow. Might be non canon but still serves its role, to separate professions. There is this notion at Blizzard HQ that Tinkers and engineers are different. So it's like yeah yoh.
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    If the argument is that there's no mention of the Tinker in lore, that's false.

    Mentions of the Tinker in quests:

    https://www.wowhead.com/quest=14124/...e-the-kajamite
    https://www.wowhead.com/quest=14383/...ruined-reaches

    In addition, Arachnobomb and Bombot 3000 abilities from the Island Expedition teams have the title "Tinker's construct" underneath them, indicating that their users are in fact Tinkers.

    https://youtu.be/3N4dtSygpq8?t=490

    A little off-topic since HS isn't WoW canon lore, but Dr. Boom was called a Tinker in the recent Hearthstone expansion promo, reinforcing the notion that Tinkers are great Goblin/Gnome inventors.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEe7BLVxW2o
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  14. #414
    Quote Originally Posted by Fetus Rex View Post
    What for? I'm convinced.
    That's your problem. I require actual evidence and not hear-say, especially from someone I don't know about and is making some absurd claims that go against established evidence.

    I'm saying they are using them still.
    False. Blizzard is not using the RPG books as a source of information for their game. You're making literally a baseless assumption that flies in the face of actual information from the developers when they stated the books as non-canon.

    Yes, wow.
    The World of Warcraft game has no examples of tinkers being better than engineers or vice-versa. You're literally making shit up.
    Might be non canon but still serves its role, to separate professions.
    No, they don't. Not only the rpg books do not make the distinction, but the RPG books are useless to determine lore. Either cite some official source or show me in-game examples of one 'type' being better than the other.
    There is this notion at Blizzard HQ that Tinkers and engineers are different.
    Show me the evidence. Like I said, I don't accept hear-say from people that like to make nonsensical claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    If the argument is that there's no mention of the Tinker in lore, that's false.

    Mentions of the Tinker in quests:

    https://www.wowhead.com/quest=14124/...e-the-kajamite
    https://www.wowhead.com/quest=14383/...ruined-reaches
    Which is meaningless because those examples don't show any difference between the two terms. For all we know those could just be synonyms, like "mage" and "wizard".

    In addition, Arachnobomb and Bombot 3000 abilities from the Island Expedition teams have the title "Tinker's construct" underneath them, indicating that their users are in fact Tinkers.

    https://youtu.be/3N4dtSygpq8?t=490
    I noticed the "player"s name is not being shown. I don't feel like jumping into island expeditions just to look for them again, but I'm pretty sure the person that made that video named his character "tinker", and player spawned constructs are given the "title" of "<player>'s construct". Do you have any screenshots of how they actually look in the game? Neither show as having any titles in WoWHead, and the site does show NPC titles:

    Keep in mind that WoWHead does not show titles such as "<player>'s minion/companion/guardian/etc" in their listing. And the idea that "tinker" is just the "player"s name is further reinforced if you rewind the video and look at the 3:45 mark, the Heal Bot is titled "Tinker's Guardian", and further rewinding the video shows the turret being called "Tinker's minion".

    Other than that, it doesn't really mean anything to disprove the idea that "tinker" and "engineer" are not synonyms.

    A little off-topic since HS isn't WoW canon lore, but Dr. Boom was called a Tinker in the recent Hearthstone expansion promo, reinforcing the notion that Tinkers are great Goblin/Gnome inventors.
    Irrelevant. First because Hearthstone is not canon, and second because what you wrote doesn't mean that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Which is meaningless because those examples don't show any difference between the two terms. For all we know those could just be synonyms, like "mage" and "wizard".
    Or Mage and Enchanter.
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  16. #416
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Or Mage and Enchanter.
    Nice try, but no. The game does show a distinct difference between the two. Enchanting is one of the eight(?) schools of magic.

    Enchanter focus on enchants. A mage/wizard go for the other schools as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Nice try, but no. The game does show a distinct difference between the two. Enchanting is one of the eight(?) schools of magic.

    Enchanter focus on enchants. A mage/wizard go for the other schools as well.
    And the game shows a distinct difference between Mekgineers and Artificers from the standard Engineer title.

    Give it time. If the Tinker is the next class, then that distinction will become obvious as well.
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  18. #418
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    And the game shows a distinct difference between Mekgineers and Artificers from the standard Engineer title.
    There's no distinct difference. Not even a subtle difference. All evidence presented point to the idea they're synonyms. One single example does not a rule make.

    Give it time. If the Tinker is the next class, then that distinction will become obvious as well.
    Maybe if the tinker is added they'll make that distinction. Right now, it doesn't exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    There's no distinct difference. Not even a subtle difference. All evidence presented point to the idea they're synonyms. One single example does not a rule make.
    Sure there is. Mekgineers tend to be mech pilots within the Gnomish race. Artificers tend to be the Crystal-based engineers within the Draenei race. I do agree that Blizzard has done a poor job creating distinctions within technology, but clearly distinctions exist. At the very least we have different technology types so there's going to be different types of engineers simply because of that.
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  20. #420
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Sure there is. Mekgineers tend to be mech pilots within the Gnomish race.
    Pilots! What, are you going to say that F1 and Nascar pilots are as proficient with science as NASA engineers then?

    Artificers tend to be the Crystal-based engineers within the Draenei race.
    Which is irrelevant to the point...

    I do agree that Blizzard has done a poor job creating distinctions within technology,
    Because they likely haven't tried.

    but clearly distinctions exist.
    They do not. None exist.
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