Do you think BFA’s story is worse than WOD?

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

I think it is. As senseless and redundant as WOD was at least it had a linear and simple storyline that could be partially at best understood. BFA feels like spinning a wheel and whatever it lands on that’s what we get. Like Jaina, the raid boss the Horde just fought and lost their King to and swore to get vengeance against, is now our ally because the traitor Baine got captured due to treason. It feels honestly they cannot write the Horde in any other way than rebellion and treason. While on the Alliance side Anduin is supposed to be leading the Alliance and does absolutely nothing except comes to the frontlines when it’s time to whine. “Oh woe is me. The Horde lacks honor. Oh woe is me the war is about to end.” And what disgusts me the most is how literally everyone just falls on his sole and licks it endlessly like a mut. Then there’s the loyalist storyline on the Horde where we keep getting cryptic and vague messages from Sylvanas and Nathanos “Don’t worry we’ll get em next time.” And “Stay focused on the endgame.” WHAT endgame?!?! We don’t know what is going on because all we hear is nonsense about the treasonous Horde hivemind and Instead of arresting Baine why didn’t Nathanos just kill Baine and Zellig at the meeting to ensure whatever your endgame is doesn’t fail as you tried with Saurfang and did at Arathi with Calia and the Forsaken defectors. There’s more I can add here. Sira and Delaryn 180 character spin on being raised. Stupid and OOC Lillian Voss. John J. Keeshan and his Human Potential. Nathanos’ plot armor. ZERO Faction Pride on either sides. Etc..

(Sorry for the typos typed this quickly on my iPhone)

Do you honestly like this story??

I don’t it’s garbage!!!

[Kralljin]

Result of Blizzard not even trying: WoD
Result of Blizzard trying to produce something good: BfA

There, pick your poison.

[Rafoel]

WoD story wasn't bad. It had the smoothest in-out transitions with other expansions.

[Maljinwo]

Yes.

I dislike stories about Parallel universes, specially when they involve time travel. They tend to mess up a fictional universe's story in my opinion.
But WoD's story is still pretty straightforward. Something happened, we fought it.

Battle for Azeroth's story has glaring issues. Characters acting like retards. Assets not being used or ignored as the writers claim that they can't find a way to fit in the story. Yet pulling complete asspulls instead of looking into their own lore for answers.
BfA's story is probably the low point of Blizzard storytelling for me

[Soimu]

wod was better because faction conflict in bfa is forced and makes no sense.

[Zandalariprelate]

Bfa is blizzard trying to write some complex story and failing so epically that you actually feel some pity and probably will excuse the story was for the lulz.

WoD despite of being scrapped and cut in half, the barebones are better than BFA

[McNeil]

WoD didn't even have the worst story before BFA came out. TBC and Cata were far worse.

[RobertMugabe]

I think it is. As senseless and redundant as WOD was at least it had a linear storyline that could be partially at beauty understood. BFA feels like spinning a wheel and whatever it lands on that’s what we get. Like Jaina, the raid boss the Horde just fought and lost their King to and swore to get vengeance against, is now our ally because the traitor Baine got captured due to treason. It feels honestly they cannot write the Horde in any other way than rebellion and treason. While on the Alliance side Anduin is supposed to be leading the Alliance and does absolutely nothing except comes to the frontlines when it’s time to whine. “Oh woe is me. The Horde lacks honor. Oh woe is me the war is about to end.” And what disgusts me the most is how literally everyone just falls on his sole and licks it endlessly like a mut. Then there’s the loyalist storyline on the Horde where we keep getting cryptic and vague messages from Sylvanas and Nathanos “Don’t worry we’ll get em next time.” And “Stay focused on the endgame.” WHAT endgame?!?! We don’t know what is going on because all we hear is nonsense about the treasonous Horde hivemind and Instead of arresting Baine why didn’t Nathanos just kill Baine and Zellig at the meeting to ensure whatever your endgame is doesn’t fail as you tried with Saurfang and did at Arathi with Calia and the Forsaken defectors. There’s more I can add here. Sira and Delaryn 180 character spin on being raised. Stupid and OOC Lillian Voss. John J. Keeshan and his Human Potential. Nathanos’ plot armor. ZERO Faction Pride on either sides. Etc..

Do you honestly like this story??

I don’t it’s garbage!!!

I hate so many things about BfA, but the story isn't bad at all. Actually, the story is bad, but for WoW standards it's really really good.

I don't know where the fuck you all people were pre BfA. When was the lore ever good?!?! Maybe Wotlk was good, but that's it.

Honestly I have the feeling that some people hate the BfA lore just because it isn't going into the direction they want it to go (like how they've clearly made Sylvanas a villian that we're gonna get rid off in some way very soon).

[Grand Phoenix]

Both stories have their problems (although WoD more so simply because a lot of it was cut and the story rushed to an end to transition to Legion), but both have their good points, too. Aside from the lack of Wild God intervention and use of the Vindicaar, BfA, in my opinion, is getting a lot of flak because of Sylvanas being Warchief and acting in lieu with how her character has always been presented: calculative, pulling strings from the shadows even though she's in the spotlight. Emotions have always run high with her gaining prominence, so seeing her all hands on deck with the war, on top of having the devs openly state the Garrosh/Arthas parallels are intentional, have a lot of people seething and hand-wringing. The story is moving in a direction they don't like, hence why the lore threads on r/wow is a hub of memes and bitter, miserly hopelessness.

Ride or die, no matter how much snark and pessimistic screaming there is, I'm seeing this story through to the end.

[matrix123mko]

De Alliance must be brought to justice for my father's death. But we must not let rage blind us... or make us forget de honor dat makes de Zandalari great.

I like how everyone suddenly started to believe in honor.

[roboscorcher]

Do you honestly like this story??

I don’t it’s garbage!!!

BfA stinks right now.

WoD brought us Guldan and set up Legion. We saved the Draenei and the Orcs. The storyline was pretty smooth, aside from Grommash switching sides and everyone being ok with it. It was not a great expansion, but at least the villains were acting somewhat logically.

WoW's best storylines revolve around taking down a big bad. Faction wars carry too much baggage, as players from both sides complain that certain plot points were unfair to them. Not to mention that our last faction war, MoP, was supposed to teach us to get along. I guess we all forgot about the Sha and Garrosh?

Maybe the next expansion will justify the events in BfA as Legion did to WoD. As a standalone story, it's pretty lame.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The only way it could be worse is if they just forgave sylvanas. Making genocide Aok just because grom fought the legion is the lowest point of wows writing.

[KrakHed]

I like how everyone suddenly started to believe in honor.

It's almost like they always believed in honor, and that honor is a common feature of most societies. Which is to say, most people have standards.

[Wangming]

Well in WoD the characters had clear motivations and acted accordingly. BfA is a cluster fuck. A war breaks out cause Azerite, but they forget about it after two battles. Azeroth is dying, but we don't really do much about it, just gather resources that magically heal the planet because of plot.

Nobody is negatively affected by the planet dying. Nobody is affected by a planet scale war right after the Legion invasion. No panic, no poverty, no anti war protests, barely any opposition to the death worshipping warchief.

WoW writing was always fanfiction level at best, but BfA is porn level.

[matrix123mko]

I think it is. As senseless and redundant as WOD was at least it had a linear storyline that could be partially at beauty understood. BFA feels like spinning a wheel and whatever it lands on that’s what we get. Like Jaina, the raid boss the Horde just fought and lost their King to and swore to get vengeance against, is now our ally because the traitor Baine got captured due to treason. It feels honestly they cannot write the Horde in any other way than rebellion and treason.

And this time Horde betrays the warchief not because of bad treatment of themselves but bad treatment of Derek.

While on the Alliance side Anduin is supposed to be leading the Alliance and does absolutely nothing except comes to the frontlines when it’s time to whine. “Oh woe is me. The Horde lacks honor. Oh woe is me the war is about to end.”

At least he acts in character and does his job. He sits in castle when everyone fights.

And what disgusts me the most is how literally everyone just falls on his sole and licks it endlessly like a mut.

Don't you like Talanji's opinion on vengeance?

Then there’s the loyalist storyline on the Horde where we keep getting cryptic and vague messages from Sylvanas and Nathanos “Don’t worry we’ll get em next time.” And “Stay focused on the endgame.” WHAT endgame?!?! We don’t know what is going on because all we hear is nonsense about the treasonous Horde hivemind and Instead of arresting Baine why didn’t Nathanos just kill Baine and Zellig at the meeting to ensure whatever your endgame is doesn’t fail as you tried with Saurfang and did at Arathi with Calia and the Forsaken defectors.

It would be wiser to kill them both before they stole Derek. Then the plan would work and Baine wouldn't be a martyr.

There’s more I can add here. Sira and Delaryn 180 character spin on being raised.

Blizzard thought that necromancy=mind control. Maybe they wanted to make Forsaken cooler than budget Scourge.

John J. Keeshan and his Human Potential.

Nothing to add, maybe Jaina's potential.

Nathanos’ plot armor.

They shouldn't have buffed Tyrande. This is what happens when you want to make both factions equally satisfied.

ZERO Faction Pride on either sides. Etc..

You don't like honor?

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The only way it could be worse is if they just forgave sylvanas. Making genocide Aok just because grom fought the legion is the lowest point of wows writing.

No, it is usual ending of wars. You sign a peace treaty and ignore past genocides.

[KrakHed]

You don't like honor?

The problem here is that no one has consistently acted with honor. If they had, this plot wouldn't have happened in the first place. Thus proving the value of honor. Forsaking honor results in BFA.

[matrix123mko]

Nobody is negatively affected by the planet dying. Nobody is affected by a planet scale war right after the Legion invasion. No panic, no poverty, no anti war protests, barely any opposition to the death worshipping warchief.

Sylvanas isn't death worshipper. It's headcanon.

WoW writing was always fanfiction level at best, but BfA is porn level.

Porn can have good plot. See Game of Thrones.

[Jericho21]

I'm pretty sure you can find my posts about WoD on here somewhere. Metzen stated it wasn't time travel...but it was in a sense like how a certain Disney owned movie that's really big now did in its plot. Bringing shit from the past alternate timeline to the present timeline. It's limp-wristed writing.

And BfA isn't far behind in terms of a mess of a storyline arc. With WoD you at least had an idea of what was gonna happen at the end. In BfA the storyline is allllllll over the place with no current idea of WTF is gonna happen next. On one hand that's good but on the other it just makes players go "Meh, don't care. Gimme epix."

I really liked Legion (and not cuz I leaked it). The story arc was consistent throughout (Legion fucking up the world) and you knew we were headed for a great finish line. We got all of our lore rocks off in one expansion: Mac'Aree, Army of the Light, Turalyon and Alleria, Sargeras bitch slapped, and (my personal fav) Kil'jaeden do-over fight. I do not like how they did the Broken Isles set up. I'm biased because of the War of the Ancients books. Suramar wasn't that big of a deal as say Blackrook Hold. It was a pit stop of a village.

Anyways, TL;DR my post- WoD sucked hard. BfA is getting there.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

I bet since Golden is on the team the expansion will end on a corny speech presented by Baine about honor and presented by Anduin about love is what makes them strong.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

No, it is usual ending of wars. You sign a peace treaty and ignore past genocides.

Some one should proabbly tell kil’jaden arthas deathwing and garrosh that.