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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Just saying "period" when you're ignoring the basic chronology of events in the book isn't an argument. Sorry to burst your bubble here. And you're engaging in some hardcore fabrication here to support your fantasies. The 7.3.5 questline doesn't mention Explorer's League one bit.

    Hint #1: the quests are about SI:7, not Explorer's League.
    Hint #2: SI:7 isn't Explorer's League.
    Hint #3: SI:7 had samples of Azerite even before the questline so trying to conflate things the way you did and argue that because Explorer's League did not have samples and the SI:7 questline was about gathering samples means the questline was about Explorer's League isn't an effective line of argumentation in the slightest. Just the opposite, it falls flat on its face from the get go.
    Ah yes, those famous """"SI:7"""" Minerologists that have nothing to do with SI:7, aren't listed as SI:7 and aren't dressed like SI:7.






    And more fabrication on your part. Sylvanas explicitly opens the dialogue with Saurfang with asking him how long he thought a peace with Alliance would last if she dedicated herself to the task of peace with the Alliance. Meaning that the peace was only a hypothetical future and not the reality of now. Which is further corroborated by Before the Storm that makes it clear beyond the shadow of the doubt that the factions aren't at peace.
    Please just stop while you are behind.
    Anger flooded Saurfang’s mind. He knew he wasn’t hiding it well, but he didn’t care. “Are you so eager for another war? After all we’ve seen?”
    Saurfang felt the trap closing in on him, and he did not like it. “We fought side‐by‐side against the Burning Legion. That creates bonds that are not easily broken.”

    “Time breaks every bond.” Sylvanas leaned across the table. Her words flew like arrows. “What do you believe? Will peace last five years or fifty?”
    Silence hung between them for a while. When Saurfang spoke, his voice had calmed. “Then we should talk of preparing for the next war, not starting it today.”

    “We are,” she said.
    “The boy in Stormwind will not start a war tomorrow,” Saurfang said.
    On that, you and I agree. “Do you have your mind made up, Warchief? Are you driving us to war? Despite the cost?”

    “I see an opportunity. I need a plan to achieve it,” Sylvanas said.

    “And if I cannot create a plan?”

    “Then we do nothing, of course.”

    Except the factions not being at war doesn't mean they weren't hostile to each other. And the topic of who's the aggressor is relevant to the issue of hostilities starting, not to the formal start of war. And sine Silithus was Alliance aggression because your argumentation about it makes less than zero sense, this and Stormheim, i.e. Alliance acts of aggression, are the start of hostilities.

    And I'm not sure why you're providing an argument as to how the previous war was over while acting all facetious about it and pretending it's an argument in your favor just because of your facetiousness. The factions made peace after MoP, robbing the Alliance of using Gilneas as a justification.
    "Hurr, Gilneas doesn't count because the Alliance and Horde worked together at the end up MoP! But please also pretend that Stormheim counts even though the Alliance and Horde worked together at the end of Legion, after that."

    As for the factions working together in Legion they did so only prior to Stormheim. The very fact that factions were not cooperating is the whole reason for why Class Order Halls had to lead the fight against the Legion for god's sake.
    Oh I see, so we're just going the delusional pretend that Suramar, every single Class Hall campaign and Argus did not happen route. Cool.

    Your Arathi example is like the third case of you shooting yourself in the foot in one paragraph. The Gathering made it clear the factions were hostile to each other. They needed a ceasefire even for a peaceful meeting of civilians on neutral ground. As per Anduin's conditions, that ceasefire only lasted one day. Anduin futher mentioned how the Gathering isn't an offer of peace, which he wouldn't have to mention one way or another if the factions weren't hostile to each other.
    You are genuinely just embarrassing yourself, and I urge you to stop before you make it even worse.

    "Anduin shot him a sharp look. “If this goes well,” he repeated, adding, “and I believe it will, this could plant a seed. If these few people can find common ground, why not a hundred, or a thousand, or ten thousand, or more?” Aware that negative emotions were running high and threatening to overshadow other factors, he tried appealing to their tactical minds. “Why would Sylvanas openly start a war? She’s got much to lose and little to gain. The Horde is preoccupied with the same concerns that face the Alliance: how to recover from the devastating war with the Legion. How to heal Azeroth and how to keep Azerite from falling into the hands of the opposition. Do you think she wants to fight another open war with all that going on?”

    Silently, Anduin gathered Calia’s still-warm body in his arms and rose. He looked up at the dark rangers, at their dark mistress, and gazed evenly into those glowing red orbs.
    “You don’t want a war,” he said calmly.
    “Don’t I?” She drew back on the string farther. Anduin could hear the bone bow creak. “If I kill you today, too, I’ll have a matched set of dead royals: a queen and a king.”
    He shook his head. “If you wanted war, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. But I have a right to declare it. You promised not to kill any of my people.” He lifted Calia’s body, letting her still frame say all that needed to be said.
    “Ah, but she is not one of yours, is she?” Sylvanas’s voice had a cold but angry edge to it, and the hair along Anduin’s arms lifted. “She is—was—a citizen of Lordaeron. Its queen. You brought a usurper onto the field, Anduin Wrynn. I would be well within my rights to consider that a hostile action. Who violated the treaty first?
    “She came as a healer!”
    “She leaves as a corpse. Did you think I would not discover what you had done?”
    “I swear to you by the Light, I acted in good faith. I gave no orders to your people to defect. You can believe that or not. But if you strike me down, my people and all of Stormwind’s allies will retaliate. And they will do so holding nothing back.”
    But sure, if you want to continue just being objectively fucking wrong and pretending there wasn't a treaty in place as of the end of Before the Storm (read: AFTER all the shit in Silithus and before A Good War) even when the text clearly says there's a treaty, I guess go ahead and make it even more clear you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
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  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Source: Blizzard scraping the zone order doing the beta and giving us the choice to start with any zone we want to instead.
    Dude every second comment here is yours, im pretty sure that YOU think that you know better but when you start to argue with pretty much everyone in this threat you look like a joke. You cant over-argue majority and your opinion is not the most important here. I dont get what your agenda is but it seems that you bash alliance as hard as you can. Story is not that complex. Stop trying that hard to show that you know the best, cuz thats not true cheerio

  3. #143
    Ok lets pretend that genn getting the journal is cannon and stormhiem happened after. how does that justify him trying to assassinate the leader of the only other superpower on the planet during a invasion of literal demons from spacehell.

  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by Canpinter View Post
    Ok lets pretend that genn getting the journal is cannon and stormhiem happened after. how does that justify him trying to assassinate the leader of the only other superpower on the planet during a invasion of literal demons from spacehell.
    Who needs to justify that? We are fine with his choices. To hell with banshee queen.

  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Canpinter View Post
    Ok lets pretend that genn getting the journal is cannon and stormhiem happened after. how does that justify him trying to assassinate the leader of the only other superpower on the planet during a invasion of literal demons from spacehell.
    It doesn't. It does explain why the Alliance sent a force to surveil Sylvanas which Genn and Rogers then hijacked to carry out their personal vendetta. Though if this was a clandestine mission, I still think it would have changed to an attempted assassination the moment the Alliance realised what Sylvanas was planning in Skold-Ashil.
    The question of course is, should Anduin have done something afterwards? Unlike the Warchief, Genn has sworn no oath of fealty to him so he cannot actually compel any form of penance from him. He could of course have been much harsher with Rogers, that is true. What Anduin did was ask Sylvanas to agree to the meeting in Arathi. I see that as his attempt to mend wounds.
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  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    It doesn't. It does explain why the Alliance sent a force to surveil Sylvanas which Genn and Rogers then hijacked to carry out their personal vendetta. Though if this was a clandestine mission, I still think it would have changed to an attempted assassination the moment the Alliance realised what Sylvanas was planning in Skold-Ashil.
    so then we can agree that alliance started the current faction war and horde simply escalated it.

  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Canpinter View Post
    so then we can agree that alliance started the current faction war and horde simply escalated it.
    No, because as @Hitei says, Sylvanas does not consider the Stormheim incident as the start of war. We get to actually read through her POV in BTS and again in A Good War and she explicitly states several times that they were at peace.
    Last edited by Nymrohd; 2019-05-05 at 10:55 PM.

  8. #148
    Genn Greymane attacked first, unprovoked, back in Legion. During the time we were to have a peace treaty, he was trying to set up the war himself. Putting the whispers into the Kings ear that the Horde killed his dad. Genn is the true aggressor here. His actions caused it all.
    Quote Originally Posted by scorpious1109 View Post
    Why the hell would you wait till after you did this to confirm the mortality rate of such action?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    The true owners of the planet are the elementals.
    If trolls came from the elementals then they are the owners.

    Also taurens

  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Canpinter View Post
    Ok lets pretend that genn getting the journal is cannon and stormhiem happened after. how does that justify him trying to assassinate the leader of the only other superpower on the planet during a invasion of literal demons from spacehell.
    It doesn't, which is why I find the conversation pointless. Genn acted rashly and stupidly, putting many lives at risk, losing an airship over a grudge match and straining Alliance and Horde relations during a time where doing so might mean the end of the world.

    That does not mean there were no reasons for what he did, or that it wasn't in-character. It is a huge failure of judgment on his part. But what it is not, is the start of a new war. Sylvanas herself does not consider it as such.

  11. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by Zantos View Post
    Genn Greymane attacked first, unprovoked, back in Legion. During the time we were to have a peace treaty, he was trying to set up the war himself. Putting the whispers into the Kings ear that the Horde killed his dad. Genn is the true aggressor here. His actions caused it all.
    The Alliance is still a military pact of independent nations and there is no canonical evidence that there was ever a peace treaty between Gilneas and Undercity, so Genns actions were a legitimate attack on an enemy that started an unprovoked war against his nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubbl3 View Post
    Yes, but that happens when there are no consistent rules in WoW in place.
    That is good point, most of the writers has a very loose or not leash at all depending who they are
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    No, she is my waifu. Stop posting and delete this thread immediately.
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    Voted Baine because... Well, Baine. Total nonsensical character, looks like World War II Italy, nobody really understands what role he's supposed to fill, not even himself

  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    Maybe by the new characterisation and retcons introduced by Afrasiabi and Golden.

    Stop defending them. Those two are supposed to be ridiculed and shamed, not praised.
    You didn't mention Danuser "the Blightcaller". You must like him. Lmao. They are all shit. It's not like Alex and golden are the only bad ones.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Given how they can't post as much because they keep getting banned, I'd say if anyone's spazzing out, it'd be them.
    Quote Originally Posted by sillag View Post
    im not saying all blood elf fans are weird edgelord neo-nazis

    but all weird edgelord neo-nazis in wow are blood elf rpers

  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Tripzzz View Post
    You didn't mention Danuser "the Blightcaller". You must like him. Lmao. They are all shit. It's not like Alex and golden are the only bad ones.
    Danuser has a Horde bias so Verdugo is probably OK with him.

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Zantos View Post
    Genn Greymane attacked first, unprovoked, back in Legion. During the time we were to have a peace treaty, he was trying to set up the war himself. Putting the whispers into the Kings ear that the Horde killed his dad. Genn is the true aggressor here. His actions caused it all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Canpinter View Post
    Ok lets pretend that genn getting the journal is cannon and stormhiem happened after. how does that justify him trying to assassinate the leader of the only other superpower on the planet during a invasion of literal demons from spacehell.
    How are Horde players still confused about why Genn instigated an attack during Stormheim? The Alliance in lore believes the Horde betrayed them during the broken shore. Varian was killed and Genn wanted revenge. In the Stormheim cinematic Genn literally says "For Varian!" as one of his reasons. This is what blizzard said so themselves.

    J. Allan Brack at 1h4m35s

    "Alliance. Alliance. You do not forget the Broken Shore. You do not forget the betrayal that lead to the death of your own King Varian."

    And this is for anyone who wants to argue the Alliance should have seen the Spaceships beyond the cliff. The cinematics show no spacesphips from the Alliance PoV and Blizzard themselves state the Alliance perceiving betrayal at the Broken Shore is canon. In game =/= Lore. Otherwise entire cities are only a few houses and NPCs are literally retarded. In game you stand in a raid bosses room getting ready and they don't see your whole group 30 yards away?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Danuser has a Horde bias so Verdugo is probably OK with him.
    Not only that, but the dude is obsessed with undead elves and he's self-aware about it!

    https://twitter.com/Moorgard

    https://wow.gamepedia.com/Death_Hunter_Moorgoth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Given how they can't post as much because they keep getting banned, I'd say if anyone's spazzing out, it'd be them.
    Quote Originally Posted by sillag View Post
    im not saying all blood elf fans are weird edgelord neo-nazis

    but all weird edgelord neo-nazis in wow are blood elf rpers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tripzzz View Post
    Not only that, but the dude is obsessed with undead elves and he's self-aware about it!

    https://twitter.com/Moorgard

    https://wow.gamepedia.com/Death_Hunter_Moorgoth
    Rofl, it's worse than I thought. What a caricature NPC is that.

    Quoting from the quest text "Moorgard: I mean, just look at Velonara over there. She's like a dream! So brooding, so mysterious, so... dark."

  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by Leodric View Post
    Rofl, it's worse than I thought. What a caricature NPC is that.

    Quoting from the quest text "Moorgard: I mean, just look at Velonara over there. She's like a dream! So brooding, so mysterious, so... dark."
    I mean that questline is so over the top that either Danuser appreciated the absurdity of his obsession or it was added by someone else to poke fun at him. Probably the former. I mean his comments are so cringeworthy that he must know how they sound.

  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    The point is more that the Alliance "started" a regional scuffle at best, while the Horde started the full-scale war with the invasion of NE lands, and then escalated the conflict beyond any reasonable proportions with the Burning.

    "They started it so everything we do is justified!" is a silly position to take, and a quite impractical one as well. The Alliance isn't blameless, much as the writers are indeed trying to convince us, but that doesn't mean the Horde didndunuffin. We are definitely responsible for the current apocalyptic state of the war, or what would be an apocalyptic state if this were not an MMO that needs to keep running and thus won't let something as insignificant as a world war have actual consequences.
    Unfortunately, the general take of the die hard horde is that basically... this is an acceptable excuse. You see it time and time again "it wasnt THE horde it was _____(whoever is in charge at the time)'s horde! we shouldn't be blamed".

    HOWEVER i will say, i was PERSONALLY hoping that the alliance were the aggressors this time around and starting it all. But i'll admit that also comes from a selfish point of view were consistently over the years the horde have started a scuffle and finished it before the alliance even gets ONE troop there for backup. So the horde quests were always slaying alliance and taking control while the alliance was showing up after the fight to clean up the broken trees and get rid of the furbolgs.

  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Ah yes, those famous """"SI:7"""" Minerologists that have nothing to do with SI:7, aren't listed as SI:7 and aren't dressed like SI:7.
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    Where is it said that SI:7 doesn't employ specialists in various fields? They'd be a piss-poor agency if that's how they operated. And is this NPC called Explorer's League? No? Then you've got nothing. Since you apparently need to be spoonfed information:
    1. the quests don't mention Explorer's League.
    2. in turn, the chapters of Before the Storm that revolve around Explorer's League escapades in Silithus don't mention SI:7. SI:7 is mentioned in the book 4 times. Twice it's on page 12 in the chapter that repeats the events of the Silithus cinematic. Then there's a whole load of nothing until pages 223 and 225 that get 1 mention each. Both these pages are waaaaaaay past the whole Silithus plotline of the story and are made in reference to final preparations for the Gathering.
    3. In the quests SI:7 was gathering more samples because they already had some samples before the questline or the book even began. Explorer's League had no samples by your own admission. These are two different objectives that don't mesh with each other at all, making your contortion in previous post absolutely wrong on all parts.
    4. The start of the questline that happens in the beginning of the book doesn't happen just before Explorer's League is sent to Silithus. It happens before there even is an idea to sent Explorer's League to Silithus. Anduin gets the idea to send the league after talking to Magni somewhere ~1/3rd into the book. SI:7 reinforcements that the questline is about are sent there in the beginning chapters of the book. So what is your idea here? That SI:7 that was tasked with gathering more information pronto did nothing and sat on their asses waiting for Explorer's League to arrive even though that wasn't even on the schedule when they were sent there themselves?


    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Please just stop while you are behind.
    The only way I could be possibly behind you at this point would be if I were Captain America in Winter Soldier and you were the Falcon hearing "on your left" from me for the third time.

    I already told you that there is a difference between the factions being formally at war and the factions being openly hostile to each other. And the issue of who was the aggressor (i.e. what the topic is about) answers the question of "who initiated the hostilities", not "who formally declared war". Did I say they were at war there? No? Then what are you arguing against other than your desperate straw-men?

    What I did say was that the factions were openly hostile. Your quotes about how they weren't at war don't disprove that in the slightest. And trust me, I can quote much more examples from the books supporting that claim. But I'll have mercy on you.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    "Hurr, Gilneas doesn't count because the Alliance and Horde worked together at the end up MoP! But please also pretend that Stormheim counts even though the Alliance and Horde worked together at the end of Legion, after that."
    Except that's not what I said about Gilneas. Gilneas doesn't count because the factions made peace. Which happened after them working together against Garrosh. So hurr indeed. And the factions don't work together at the Legion. Representatives of the Class Orders gathered in Silithus to fix the sword together. Not the main factions.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Oh I see, so we're just going the delusional pretend that Suramar, every single Class Hall campaign and Argus did not happen route. Cool.
    Why would I pretend that Class Hall campaigns did not happen when the very paragraph you're replying to here was about how Class Halls had to lead the fight because the factions were at each others' throats? Which was Blizzard's official explanation for introducing Class Orders during Blizzcon. Oh, right, you're not even reading what you're replying to at this point. Did individual members of the factions cooperate within the Class Orders? Yes. Were they acting in the name of their respective factions? No. The factions themselves were busy bickering over Warden towers. Argus is a continuation of that, with various members of Class Orders getting in on the action.

    Suramar is a pitiful example as well. Whoopty doo, Lor'themar cooperates with Jaina in 8.2, just like he ultimately did at the end of 5.2. Does that mean there was no faction conflict in MoP and that there is no faction conflict in BfA? Or did members of the factions agree to lay down their weapons against a mutual enemy for a moment? I mean, why do you think the Suramar campaign needed Kirin Tor peacekeepers?


    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    You are genuinely just embarrassing yourself, and I urge you to stop before you make it even worse.

    "Anduin shot him a sharp look. “If this goes well,” he repeated, adding, “and I believe it will, this could plant a seed. If these few people can find common ground, why not a hundred, or a thousand, or ten thousand, or more?” Aware that negative emotions were running high and threatening to overshadow other factors, he tried appealing to their tactical minds. “Why would Sylvanas openly start a war? She’s got much to lose and little to gain. The Horde is preoccupied with the same concerns that face the Alliance: how to recover from the devastating war with the Legion. How to heal Azeroth and how to keep Azerite from falling into the hands of the opposition. Do you think she wants to fight another open war with all that going on?”
    You either deliberately ignoring or being unable to comprehend me pointing out to you that lack of formal declaration of war doesn't mean the factions weren't openly hostile to each other and that they were openly hostile to each other vide the Gathering requiring a cease fire doesn't constitute me embarrassing yourself. Just the opposite, it constitutes you embarassing yourself because you either don't understand what you're reading and replying to, yet do so anyway or you're actively engaging in fallacies and hoping no one notices. Suffice to say you quoting how the factions weren't at war there still doesn't disprove anything I say, because at no point have I said a word about factions being at war during the Gathering. You desperately trying to railroad the discussion to something I wasn't even arguing is a fault of your argumentation, not mine.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    But sure, if you want to continue just being objectively fucking wrong and pretending there wasn't a treaty in place as of the end of Before the Storm (read: AFTER all the shit in Silithus and before A Good War) even when the text clearly says there's a treaty, I guess go ahead and make it even more clear you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
    Again, your quotations "disprove" only things that I didn't even say. So spare me your riveting tale on how I'm "objectively wrong" when you spent more than a dozen paragraphs arguing against only your fantasies.


    Quote Originally Posted by Leodric View Post
    Rofl, it's worse than I thought. What a caricature NPC is that.

    Quoting from the quest text "Moorgard: I mean, just look at Velonara over there. She's like a dream! So brooding, so mysterious, so... dark."
    In this case it's kinda by design though.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tripzzz View Post
    You didn't mention Danuser "the Blightcaller". You must like him. Lmao. They are all shit. It's not like Alex and golden are the only bad ones.
    Danuser has his flaws but Blightcaller isn't really one of them. Especially in context that @Verdugo brought up. There's no new characterization or retcons to Nathanos since Danuser took the reins. He acts the same way he has always acted.


    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Danuser has a Horde bias so Verdugo is probably OK with him.
    Or because there's no change to Nathanos' characterization of any sort despite Danuser's "deep infatuation" with the character.


    Quote Originally Posted by Shiza View Post
    The Alliance is still a military pact of independent nations and there is no canonical evidence that there was ever a peace treaty between Gilneas and Undercity, so Genns actions were a legitimate attack on an enemy that started an unprovoked war against his nation.
    Guards in Ashran mention a treaty being in place. And Genn wasn't acting in the name of any independent nations in Stormheim. He was sent there by the High King of the Alliance and was acting under his orders (that, per Anduin's own views on the topic, he broke).


    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    It doesn't, which is why I find the conversation pointless. Genn acted rashly and stupidly, putting many lives at risk, losing an airship over a grudge match and straining Alliance and Horde relations during a time where doing so might mean the end of the world.

    That does not mean there were no reasons for what he did, or that it wasn't in-character. It is a huge failure of judgment on his part. But what it is not, is the start of a new war. Sylvanas herself does not consider it as such.
    And the topic still isn't about who started the war, but who started the aggression. You don't need a war to have aggression and hostile relations. The war is simply the final stage of that. And since neither Genn having his reasons nor him acting in character actually negate his aggression, his act of aggression constitutes Alliance being the aggressor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Danuser has his flaws but Blightcaller isn't really one of them. Especially in context that @Verdugo brought up. There's no new characterization or retcons to Nathanos since Danuser took the reins. He acts the same way he has always acted.
    Danuser is the one who wrote that Nathanos and Slyvanus had sex in a barn. He wrote Dark Mirror, where it's shown that she likes him and constantly gives him hints. Prior to that, there was nothing to suggest Nathanos was in a relationship with Slyvanus. Unless you have proof of such a relationship existing before "Dark Mirror". This relationship adds nothing of value in the narrative. Nathanos' loyalty could be explained by simply being a Forsaken. It's just another example of an elf falling in love with a human. A relationship trope people constantly berate but somehow Nathanos and Slyvanus are exempt from. Because their romantic relationship is hollow.

    Nathanos went from being an actual zombie with 2 plaguehounds into a walmart dracula wannabe with no real new powers other than "more durable", all thanks to Danuser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Given how they can't post as much because they keep getting banned, I'd say if anyone's spazzing out, it'd be them.
    Quote Originally Posted by sillag View Post
    im not saying all blood elf fans are weird edgelord neo-nazis

    but all weird edgelord neo-nazis in wow are blood elf rpers

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