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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Niroshi View Post
    Far more likely that she's been a pawn this entire time, believing herself to be brilliant. Player getting played and all that. Her entire current story arc was sparked by a horrifying afterlife experience after she died on Yogg's blood, prompting a heel turn change in her character towards promoting chaos everywhere she goes. She's a stooge.
    Not likely at all. Sylvanas is Blizzard's baby and an unfuckwithable tactical genius. WoW gets its own Kerrigan now.

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Doomchicken View Post
    That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. So, it's probably true.
    True. There's so much wrong with that so I wouldn't be shocked if Blizzard thought of it already. There weren't 5 old gods. There were 4 as Chronicle is written in an omniscient manner which means the information being given is 100% fact chronicling history from a standpoint that what is written is EVERYTHING. If somewhere before the first book it said "written by Lorewalker Cho", there being 5 would be plausible. However, it was not written by anyone in the WC universe. There were FOUR old gods. No more, no less.

    Teldrassil also wasn't like Nordrassil much like the others weren't. They were simply big trees because they were not blessed by the proper aspects(Teldrassil wasn't blessed by any until Cata and still then not Noz).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drec8 View Post
    N'zoth rimes well with Azeroth. Wouldn't be surprised if after so many millennia they have now completely merged and Magni is actually healing the Old God. There is no indication that an old gods blood must me oozish or dark, could be this lovely goldish we gather all this time I have the feeling that eventually we will discover this. As for the conflict between Shadow and Death (it is revealed that the enemy of shadow = the Light has "The Light has struck a bargain with the enemy of all" = death), well who knows, since Sylvanas is supposed to be on the same side with the Lich King, cosmology wise. So i guess the King is Magni as the "Diamond King".
    .....HE CAN'T HAVE MERGED. The prisons stopped that. That was the point of the prisons. Amanthul was stupid after seeing "hmmm this was bad when I yanked this huge guy out....let's just isolate them so they can't do anything and let this titan mature" rather than letting their minions kill them without ripping them out. Much less Nzoth has been licking his wounds since before the titans came. Honestly when the titans came it was like Homer walking in to see Mr Burns after he attacked him "OH NO I CAN'T TAKE ANOTHER THRASHING!" Nzoth is an imbecile and should not have been capable of anything obscenely devastating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggroll View Post
    And she couldn't just have said - especially after directly fighting the Burning Legion thogether with the Alliance - "Guys, we have another thing to take care of together, here's my plan..." If the Burning of the World tree would have been absolutely necessary, neither Tyrande nor Malf would have objected, Malf was never fond of this particular world tree to begin with. They could have evacuated for starters. And then there was her Warbringer cinematic. Clearly the Burning was not intended but a reaction to Delaryn Summermoons last words.
    IIRC the only real reason she was in the area was to make the ships go out and then have to turn back midway wasting time while also protecting Silithus AND she wanted to kill Malfurion.

  3. #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Yak View Post
    Eye of the Corruptor: HEY, LISTEN!
    I love your concepts Golden Yak <3

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by reploid View Post
    While this is very possible, I don't think that this is how it's gonna end. As per all the datamining, we dont even get to fight n'zoth and 8.3 involves dragons, which i'd imagine has to do with space/time travel. Remember, Sylvanas is a strategist, but so is n'zoth. I think that Sylvanas doesn't know how deep the rabbit hole goes, and the king of diamonds is a pawn (magni), as is the PC up till this point. IMO 8.3 will set the stage for the next expansion, which involves us truly working our way to defeat nzoth, may even involve nyalotha. Not sure how it all goes down, but i'd imagine that n'zoth and azeroth are one and the same by the time we get to him. Sargeras was never trying to kill the baby titan, he was trying to kill the old god with the wound.

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    Like: Grom Hellscream, Illidan Stormrage and Morrigan?
    In 8.3, Sylvanas stabs Nzoth but he survives. "You should have aimed for the eye" he says, as he wipes most the living beings.
    In the next expansion the surviving heroes have to time travel with the help of an old ally to the point before the big evil got his powers and beat him with the 5 pillars of creation, thus changing the future present and finally putting an end to the threat

    See what I did there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    "Would it not be swell if Jaina non-canonically created frostmourne?"

    What does that even mean? I mean, it would also be cool if Obama created the Frostmourne, non-canonically.
    Quote Originally Posted by PaladinBash View Post
    Malfurion and Sylvanas about to have the most baller game of Plants vs Zombies though.

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    This would be better than MoP 2.0, so it's probably out of Blizzard's reach.

  7. #87
    combine this with "Sylvanas becomes a Shadowlands lord post-BFA"

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Brewshine View Post
    I play both sides. So if they turn A dumb banshee in to Kerrigan 2.0 it would be double the disappointment for me.
    It will be disappointing for both sides anyway. They essentially wrote themselves into a corner.

    They're already making the Alliance soften their stance on the war with the whole "well we still want revenge buuuuut I guess it's really more Sylvanas' fault and we kind of need to work together in the face of a bigger threat" thing. Whatever happens at the end of the expansion, there won't be any consequences for the burning of Teldrassil because they started shifting the blame.

    The Horde will probably get Thrall back as the warchief so he can unite everyone again, which is honestly quite a lame copout. They've been giving us an illusion of choice here and there but it's obvious it's not going to amount to anything. They won't create various timelines for new content based on what choices people made. It will all converge into one ending that will inevitably not satisfy everyone. If they remove Sylvanas, there's almost no way Saurfang gets to survive.

    Everyone will lose so that Blizzard can pretend like everyone won.

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    Anything that is not SoO 2 or unification under Anduin is welcome at this point.
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    No, she is my waifu. Stop posting and delete this thread immediately.
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    Voted Baine because... Well, Baine. Total nonsensical character, looks like World War II Italy, nobody really understands what role he's supposed to fill, not even himself

  10. #90
    But theres more, she couldnt act logically because there are old god spies everywhere and she wanted whole world to think thats shes crazy evil so when the right moment comes she can plot twist us back to nether.
    P.S. Nathanos is old god spy.

  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by pppbroom View Post
    Her fanbase is immense
    We really need to think on this point though. I'm not doubting she's popular, but ask yourself, does every sect of her fans bring something to the game that wouldn't be actually a benefit to have scrubbed from the community?

    Sylvanas evokes a broad range of emotions from players at a broad range of levels of intensity, but if WoW is telling the story that the hateful fires of the faction war are bad for the world and therefore the game, how much do you think they want team "YAY GENOCIDE! KILL THE BABIES! FACTION WAR FOREVER HATE HATE HATE" amongst the community? There are nuanced, mature players among Sylvanas' following, not disputing that, but there is the other extreme as well. Toxicity costs money. They will never tell players/customers "we hope you leave, you're bad for the game's vibe and that affects our bottom line," not directly, but that message can be sent by what they do to Sylvanas.

  12. #92
    Old gods were never referred to as Kings so i dont think its referring to N'zoth.

    King is lich king or magni (king of diamonds) or even anduin (unlikely).

    Wasnt there a quote earlier about the King of diamonds being fooled?
    Perhaps Magni is in some way important to old god plans and him dying would be unacceptable.
    BfA = Worst product ever made by Blizzard.

  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnosh View Post
    Going to have a hearty guffaw if Blizzard's writers are corny enough to have Sylvanas go all Arya Stark on N'zoth.
    Pretty sure if they do they would've had it written before that episode aired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathasil View Post
    Actually, N'zoth would NEVER refer to himself as a "King"...he is a God. King would be an insult. It is much more likely this line implies Sylvanas, the Bansheequeen, is threatening Bolvar, the Lichking.
    It makes some sense that Sylvanas would need the power of N'Zoth or at least the dagger to stand a chance against the Lichking. Many have forseen Sylvanas would go after the Crown of Command sooner or later. Still, that does not answer the most important question from above:
    If the void/N'Zoth considers Sylvanas a threat and wants her to die/fail....why is he doing EVERYTHING in his power to help her succeed? He has been sitting safe in this prison for thousands of years. Why would he INTENTIONALLY bring the dagger into Sylvanas' possession and expose himself to her now? It's not like Sylvanas can even get to him without the help of Azshara.
    it would be a hell of twist to turn everything from old gods, naga and azshara into Bolvar somehow, a hell of twist but dunno if would be a good one, seems too much nonsense.

    but hey i doubt nothing at this point, there is some unfinished business with him and the red dragonflight.

  15. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksej89 View Post
    Old gods were never referred to as Kings so i dont think its referring to N'zoth.

    King is lich king or magni (king of diamonds) or even anduin (unlikely).

    Wasnt there a quote earlier about the King of diamonds being fooled?
    Perhaps Magni is in some way important to old god plans and him dying would be unacceptable.
    Well we will discover that all the work we doing, and this is on PTR ain't really saving Azeroth, but weakening N'zoth's prison so this being said, Magni got fooled. The King of diamonds. "WOOOOUUUUNNNDSSSS"

    Also: Someone is mining Azerite from the world's open woundssssssssssssssssss!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broken Fox View Post
    Not likely at all. Sylvanas is Blizzard's baby and an unfuckwithable tactical genius. WoW gets its own Kerrigan now.
    "Garrosh compared to Sylvanas is an amateur" - Blizzard's words

    Sylvanas is a mastermind. I'm hating her arc, and i don't think i can recover from it atm.

  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Omedon View Post
    We really need to think on this point though. I'm not doubting she's popular, but ask yourself, does every sect of her fans bring something to the game that wouldn't be actually a benefit to have scrubbed from the community?

    Sylvanas evokes a broad range of emotions from players at a broad range of levels of intensity, but if WoW is telling the story that the hateful fires of the faction war are bad for the world and therefore the game, how much do you think they want team "YAY GENOCIDE! KILL THE BABIES! FACTION WAR FOREVER HATE HATE HATE" amongst the community? There are nuanced, mature players among Sylvanas' following, not disputing that, but there is the other extreme as well. Toxicity costs money. They will never tell players/customers "we hope you leave, you're bad for the game's vibe and that affects our bottom line," not directly, but that message can be sent by what they do to Sylvanas.
    Toxicity is only presented on the forums. I'm tired of repeating it but mmo-champion does not represent WoW target players, neither do reddit or even official forums. These are the places where people (not even active players) come to whine because they seek social interaction and somewhere to throw their frustration to. If you log in to the game and talk to a random guy in your raid or PvP, I guarantee they wouldn't care

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthiasVonTzeskagrad View Post
    I have the impression it is either a Kerrigan (it better not) or a WC3 Sylvanas, where she accepts the gift N'Zoth gave to her pretending to turn her into another vassal, just to eventually betray the god like she betrayed the dreadlords before.
    It would be some sort of middle term where she still is recognized as a massive douchebag, but still no Garrosh and opening the way for a Shadowlands expansion where she can ensure the future of the Forsaken, at the cost of her unlife or not.

    "I think often about our future. hero. My people cannot reproduce. Are we not destined to wither away eventually?
    Not while I reign, not while there are still beings out there with the power to stop death"
    Could beingwith the power to stop death not mean more?
    I don't think it necessarily means a way to secure immortality for herself. I think she wants to remove the corruption from the world, and it's world of the dead. I think when she died her soul was imprisoned in torture. We don't know what she saw there, but I do think her plan isn't to kill the living.
    Lokann ogar!
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  18. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by Thage View Post
    This plot twist is almost stupid enough to be canon.
    I really like how stupidity of potential plot development is a unit of measurement to judge whether it's likely to be canon or not.
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    Does the CIA pay you for your bullshit or are you just bootlicking in your free time?
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    Slant is an extremist, willing to sacrifice the lives of everyone to keep his wet dream of the EU alive.
    You shouldn't support people like him, it's like supporting ISIS.

  19. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    I really like how stupidity of potential plot development is a unit of measurement to judge whether it's likely to be canon or not.
    Well, Blizz have a track record of going with the dumbest option when writing stories, so expecting they’ll do it again isn’t all that far-fetched really.

  20. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by mysticx View Post
    Well, Blizz have a track record of going with the dumbest option when writing stories, so expecting they’ll do it again isn’t all that far-fetched really.
    I'm not disagreeing with what I quoted there at all, just finding it amusing the lore has devolved so low that this is the case.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Does the CIA pay you for your bullshit or are you just bootlicking in your free time?
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Slant is an extremist, willing to sacrifice the lives of everyone to keep his wet dream of the EU alive.
    You shouldn't support people like him, it's like supporting ISIS.

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