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    Merely a Setback Connal's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakshana View Post
    It's sinful and harmful in the same way marijuana is sinful or harmful.

    SPOILER: It's not.

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    Connal, I would like to point out that particular study focused on individuals with a porn addiction. Most of those people are watching or beating off to it MULTIPLE times a day. This is not the standard individual that views porn. An overabundance of anything is not going to be good ever. And, these were all individuals that preferred masturbating to porn as opposed to sex with a partners.

    That article's title is click-baity and not completely accurate.
    I was talking about porn addiction. But even in moderation it may have negative consequences, as it mostly conveys unrealistic expectations.

    I’m not looking to ban porn however; watching it should be up to each person, but they should also be aware that it has consequences.
    Vocatus atque non vocatus, deus aderit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icechaosss View Post
    I meant - Actual rape in pornography, not like "Rape fantasies"
    Oh, I see. Misunderstood you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsugunai View Post
    the question I have to this is: Why do responsible adults try to assume otherwise then? There has to be a good reason.
    No there doesn't.

  4. #184
    Why would you want to get rid of porn? Define "youth"? Honest questions.

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    Yes, it is possible... quit making a big deal about it. The thing with kids, teenagers in particular, is that banning something automatically entices them to do it. Take drinking for example, back when I was younger there was all this crap about how I should not drink underage and blah blah blah. All it did was make me want to drink to see what all the fuss was about. Sure I had some bad experiences when I was drunk, but I drank more between the ages of 18-20 than I did between 21-30 probably. Because after 21 it was not such a big deal because it was no longer "forbidden fruit". I had a professor in college that used this trick on her kids to get them to eat Brussels Sprouts. She simply told them "You can't have them, they are an adult food" which made them want them all that much more.

    The other thing is be honest about it. Don't lie because the minute you do you lose any an all credibility. You could say things like "Pornography is not the greatest thing in the world because it generally only depicts emotionless sex that in no way mimics an actual sexual relationship, let alone a deeper one" or that it "creates a narrow view on sex that you should explore on your own when you get a little older." You could also used body image problems that can crop up since the ones created by fashion magazines and such are no different than those that arise from porn.

  6. #186
    If all the porn would be removed from existence there would only be one website left: Bringusbacktheporn.org
    Camilla: You, sir, should unmask.
    Stranger: Indeed?
    Cassilda: Indeed, it's time. We have all laid aside disguise but you.
    Stranger: I wear no mask.
    Camilla: (Terrified, aside to Cassilda.) No mask? No mask!

  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by Stonecloak View Post
    So, you’re against marriage?

    The divorce rate for religious people is a lot lower than non-religious. Unless we’re getting into nihilism where nothing matters. Then you can’t disagree that religion is better for more stable families and relationships. It’s factual. I’m not even religious, but I don’t refute actual facts.
    Marriage is a legal institution not a religious one.

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    Not sure if troll or actually serious?

    Why do you care? I think being religious and believing in God is sinful, because it´s a kind of insanity, but hey, I don´t try to ban the Church, do whatever you want, I´m cool as long as you do not bother me


    So this about porno and many other topics.. really, how does it affect you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnusthegreat View Post
    Yes there is, and it's to make it illegal with incredibly harsh punishments. That's how we did it for crack cocaine.
    Of course crack is illegal so the ground work was already done and is not even close to the same thing. People could just stop being so prudish and acting like we should live in shame of our and other naked bodies. As that happens the desire to see things and novelty goes away.
    "Privilege is invisible to those who have it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by The King in Yellow View Post
    If all the porn would be removed from existence there would only be one website left: Bringusbacktheporn.org
    Wrong, people would just make more.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy
    People just want to be bullies without facing any sort of consequences or social fallout for being a bully. If you declare X as a racist/sexist/homophobic/etc. person you can say or do whatever you want to them, ignoring the fact that they are a human.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnusthegreat View Post
    Yes there is, and it's to make it illegal with incredibly harsh punishments. That's how we did it for crack cocaine.
    I hope you're joking. Both are now cheaper and more available than ever. Creating a black market is rarely a good idea.

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    The only real issue with porn is unrealistic expectations, but the act of masturbating to something is not at all harmful, the opposite actually. By masturbating, you're strengthening your penis. Blood rushes into the penis, which oxygenates your penis' smooth muscle. Ejaculation after masturbation is also a good method for your body to rid of older sperm, which is why people who tend not to masturbate as much have more wet dreams.

    There's really no need to censor the youth, at least not in such a broad category as everyone below the age of 18, which is biologically speaking, just an arbitrary number in late adolescence. Adolescents, in general, are basically programmed to want to leave the nest and form sexual relations, so I'm not sure trying to repress that would lead to such a great outcome. Better to roll with nature than to try to stop it, at least when it's not detrimental to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    I was talking about porn addiction. But even in moderation it may have negative consequences, as it mostly conveys unrealistic expectations.

    I’m not looking to ban porn however; watching it should be up to each person, but they should also be aware that it has consequences.
    That's a fair statement. And thank you for such a measured response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polly3685 View Post
    Marriage is a legal institution not a religious one.
    Well, to be fair, in many situations it's both.

    And replying to the dude you replied to, the reason the divorce rate is lower for religious couples is not because they are more stable due to their beliefs, it's because their religion says that divorce is wrong and they allow themselves often to be trapped in a relationship they aren't entirely happy with anymore because that's what their beliefs mandate.

    Ironically, studies have shown that statistically, evangelicals are more likely to be unfaithful than atheists.

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    With no porn how will I find inventive new things to stick up my butt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polly3685 View Post
    Marriage is a legal institution not a religious one.
    This varies and is often in the US both, not an either-or situation. When I was married in a church it was also considered a legal proceeding. If you like you can also go to the courthouse and keep it strictly legal. The few weddings I've attended in Europe the legal and religious ceremonies were separate entities. There's no absolute rule on this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oakshana View Post
    Ironically, studies have shown that statistically, evangelicals are more likely to be unfaithful than atheists.
    Like Baby Boomers bitching Millennials and that generation are destroying the American family when the divorce rate for Millennials is much lower than for Boomers. In fact the general trend of divorce rate is that it is declining overall even though for the Boomer demographic specifically it is actually going up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakshana View Post
    That's a fair statement. And thank you for such a measured response.

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    Well, to be fair, in many situations it's both.

    And replying to the dude you replied to, the reason the divorce rate is lower for religious couples is not because they are more stable due to their beliefs, it's because their religion says that divorce is wrong and they allow themselves often to be trapped in a relationship they aren't entirely happy with anymore because that's what their beliefs mandate.

    Ironically, studies have shown that statistically, evangelicals are more likely to be unfaithful than atheists.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Knight View Post
    This varies and is often in the US both, not an either-or situation. When I was married in a church it was also considered a legal proceeding. If you like you can also go to the courthouse and keep it strictly legal. The few weddings I've attended in Europe the legal and religious ceremonies were separate entities. There's no absolute rule on this.



    Like Baby Boomers bitching Millennials and that generation are destroying the American family when the divorce rate for Millennials is much lower than for Boomers. In fact the general trend of divorce rate is that it is declining overall even though for the Boomer demographic specifically it is actually going up.
    Because the ceremony was performed in a church doesn't make it a religious institution. You have to get a license issued by the state to be legally married. Marriage affects property rights, child custody, insurance benefits, etc, etc... Who someone can and cannot marry is dictated buy law not by religious dogma. The process of ending a marriage is a legal proceeding. Do I need to keep going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polly3685 View Post
    Because the ceremony was performed in a church doesn't make it a religious institution. You have to get a license issues by the state to be legally married. Marriage affects property rights, child custody, insurance benefits, etc, etc... Who someone can and cannot marry is dictated buy law not by religious dogma. The process of ending a marriage is a legal proceeding. Do I need to keep going?
    It depends on if you are talking about "holy matrimony" or marriage... marriages were political in nature to unify assets of lords/kings, etc... a union of couples was also done by "pagans" and most likely also our cave dwelling forebears, though their rituals may not have been as intricate.

    Almost all animals have some form of bonding rituals they go through... birds being the most interesting (IMO).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Botter View Post
    With no porn how will I find inventive new things to stick up my butt?
    From the vegetable section.
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    i've said i'd like to have one of those bad dragon dildos shaped like a horse, because the shape is nicer than human.
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    i was talking about horse cock again, told him to look at your sig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    It depends on if you are talking about "holy matrimony" or marriage... marriages were political in nature to unify assets of lords/kings, etc... a union of couples was also done by "pagans" and most likely also our cave dwelling forebears, though their rituals may not have been as intricate.

    Almost all animals have some form of bonding rituals they go through... birds being the most interesting (IMO).

    The discussion has very clearly been about marriage not "holy matrimony" or animal mating practices. I can't tell if you are trying to make a good faith argument or not. Comparing animal mating/courtship behavior to marriage is asinine. Very few animals mate for life which is one of the purposes of entering into a legal marriage. So in reality 99.9% of all animal "courtship" behavior is just for procreation. "Holy matrimony" doesn't mean anything in any real sense. In reality it's no different than having a commitment ceremony or something of that nature. It does not equate to marriage in any sense of the word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polly3685 View Post
    Who someone can and cannot marry is dictated buy law not by religious dogma.
    And that law was influenced by religious dogma and today there is still debate about the law being changed because of belief in religious dogma. There have been people refusing to comply with the law based on religious dogma. 'Marriage' can be recognized at a variety of levels. You understand that it is possible to hold a religious marriage ceremony without taking any of the legal steps, right? I can have a wedding and be considered married by a religious institution but not file for legal marriage.
    Marriages without religious trappings are termed 'civil marriages' - there is a specific dedicated term to designate whether religious ceremony was involved or not. This also indicates that the term 'marriage' without 'civil' implies religious ceremony of some sort. Otherwise why the need for the term?
    The official definition of marriage is:
    'the legally or formally recognized union of two people as partners in a personal relationship' - legal OR formal, which can mean a variety of things. Texts often refer to it as a union 'recognized by custom or law'.
    'Legally married' is not the only definition of marriage just because you want it to be. I'm sorry the word doesn't mean what you want.

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