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    Quote Originally Posted by dragothica View Post
    Yeah, but do you get a preview of the item you are buying (for example a tooltip telling that the item will have Haste & Mastery)? If not it's the same as it has always been with this kind of Token gear, RNG decides which combination of stats the item will have.
    Or you just check wowhead what the, for example, pants will have and if they have the stats you want you buy em, though granted I do hope they say what stats they have so you dont have to check on some 3rd party website what each item has for stats.
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    Crabs have been removed from the game... because if I see another one I’m just going to totally lose it. *sobbing* I’m sorry, I just can’t right now... I just... OK just give me a minute, I’ll be OK..

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    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    - and by my definition these are all timegates
    Dude I know right and you can't forget the most egregious timegating, LEVELLING. They need to remove levels in all forms from the game, character levels and gear levels especially. I should be able to login on a new toon and be acceptable by any group to fight any boss. Also I can't believe they just brought back resistance gear with this new Benthic gear. Like do they not understand we the player base want instant dopamine rushes for no pay off? instead of paying to get nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cerberus1838 View Post
    Dude I know right and you can't forget the most egregious timegating, LEVELLING. They need to remove levels in all forms from the game, character levels and gear levels especially. I should be able to login on a new toon and be acceptable by any group to fight any boss.....
    Interesting proposal..you should make a thread about it. I think we will get a lot of interesting replies.

    Saracasm translates a bit hard in written form (and me not knowing you...but I don't think you are serious)...but even with my first character taking 17 days /played to lv 60 in 2005, I then proceeded to spend 100 days AT lv 60. Current levelling character (DI dwarf) is at barely 60 hrs to lv 108. Pushing the 7th character from 110-120 and every level so far took max 2 hrs.

    So....I don't really see levelling as that bad...and let us not forget, it will stay because Blizzard gotta sell boosts (now it is your turn to find out if I am joking or not)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philomene View Post
    They don’t want to let the casino system go away as it keeps people playing and playing until they finally get a shot to their new token. It’s like what you had for your boss loot before but extended to all in game rewards.
    Again: THERE IS NO RNG ON BENTHIC GEAR!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velerios View Post
    Again: THERE IS NO RNG ON BENTHIC GEAR!
    So why are they selling tokens then and not items ?

    This is a genuine question. Why would they create tokens instead of flat items ?

    Cause for now it looks like yes, that the stats will be determined on the item. Benthic leggings of the whale : crit/mastery. Benthic leggings of the harmonious : versa/haste. Yet when you get use the token you don’t know if you gonna get whale/peerless leggings. Like how it’s been up to now, actually.

    But hey, if at least they have a reason to use tokens instead of items and that there is truly no RNG, it’s definitely an improvement from the system we have now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philomene View Post
    So why are they selling tokens then and not items ?

    This is a genuine question. Why would they create tokens instead of flat items ?

    Cause for now it looks like yes, that the stats will be determined on the item. Benthic leggings of the whale : crit/mastery. Benthic leggings of the harmonious : versa/haste. Yet when you get use the token you don’t know if you gonna get whale/peerless leggings. Like how it’s been up to now, actually.

    But hey, if at least they have a reason to use tokens instead of items and that there is truly no RNG, it’s definitely an improvement from the system we have now.
    Answering to myself: looks like they use containers to only have one items for every type of armor but they completely got rid of the RNG when “crafting” the item from the token, ie cloth gloves have crit/haste. Nice.

    All benthic gear items are available here : https://www.wowhead.com/news=291566/...resting-equips
    Last edited by Philomene; 2019-05-10 at 11:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philomene View Post
    So why are they selling tokens then and not items ?

    This is a genuine question. Why would they create tokens instead of flat items ?

    Cause for now it looks like yes, that the stats will be determined on the item. Benthic leggings of the whale : crit/mastery. Benthic leggings of the harmonious : versa/haste. Yet when you get use the token you don’t know if you gonna get whale/peerless leggings. Like how it’s been up to now, actually.

    But hey, if at least they have a reason to use tokens instead of items and that there is truly no RNG, it’s definitely an improvement from the system we have now.

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    Yay, looks like they use containers to only have one items for every type of armor but they completely got rid of the RNG when “crafting” the item from the token, ie cloth gloves have crit/haste. Nice.
    Was going to suggest this but kept myself from doing so because I wasn’t sure. Figured it had something to do with just determining item type for alts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velerios View Post
    Again: THERE IS NO RNG ON BENTHIC GEAR!
    Actually yes there is right now so it's either because it's just been implemented or it's not predetermined.

    I just logged onto the PTR (was able to without a sub for some reason) and bought some Benthic Legs. They did not have predetermined stats on the vendor or when it went in my bag before I opened it, they did not offer me an option to choose stats and it rolled crit/vers only when I identified it.

    For now they actually are RNG still.
    Last edited by Eleccybubb; 2019-05-10 at 11:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Actually yes there is right now so it's either because it's just been implemented or it's not predetermined.

    I just logged onto the PTR (was able to without a sub for some reason) and bought some Benthic Legs. They did not have predetermined stats on the vendor or when it went in my bag before I opened it, they did not offer me an option to choose stats and it rolled crit/vers only when I identified it.

    For now they actually are RNG still.
    Did you buy another pair and roll it on the same toon to see if they rolled differently?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Actually yes there is right now so it's either because it's just been implemented or it's not predetermined.

    I just logged onto the PTR (was able to without a sub for some reason) and bought some Benthic Legs. They did not have predetermined stats on the vendor or when it went in my bag before I opened it, they did not offer me an option to choose stats and it rolled crit/vers only when I identified it.

    For now they actually are RNG still.
    Pretty sure the stats are just determined by your role (class role, not rng roll).

    They're doing this so that they can just have one type of item that drops and works for all players regardless of class. These will probably become account bound at some point, like other catch up gear tokens they have added in this past, and this will simplify that so you don't have to get the right armor type for your chosen alt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philomene View Post
    So why are they selling tokens then and not items ?
    Because of two reasons:

    First reason: It's much less work. If they do sell it directly, they would need to put up to 324 DIFFERENT ITEMS to a vendor. It's probably not 324 different items, but even if it's only half or 1/3rd of it, it's still around 100 items to set up on the vendor. So instead of this, you have 9 different tokens. Seems far more reasonable.

    Second reason: It's to prepare to the future. Adding new classes requires them to also make the items from past expansions available to them. So instead of revisiting the armor-vendors and unlock every single armor to the new class, they need only to add the class to the tokens and having them able to get the loot.

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    ah yes the pains of a new character and having to completely config and setup your mods ^^

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