Draenei are evil

[Valkari]

Did you play WoD? There was no corruption needed for the Orcs going all third reich style on the Draenei.

To be fair, that just needed azeroth Hitler (Garrosh) to come in and corrupt them instead. Though I suppose that depends on the timeline for some of warlord stories.

[FelPlague]

Yes, they did. Gul'dan offered a second helping of demon blood after the Blackrock Foundry. Grommash refused, but basically everyone else did, Kilrogg included. Did you forget the entire questing in Tanaan Jungle and Hellfire Citadel?

he is saying they didnt drink for most of wod, it wasnt till tannan jungle they drank, so everything they did before that was without demon blood.

[sam86]

If WoD proved anything about orcs, it's that once they have the means to massacre a group of people, they'll go and do it, no further reason needed, probably the only thing that held them back from attacking the Draenei pre-Garrosh was that the orcs' biggest innovation in weaponry was adding a handle to an axe...

Demon blood? They're off rampaging. New weaponry? They're off rampaging. The only thing that keeps orcs from waging war on something is knowing they'll get their asses kicked if they attack.

if wod proved anything, is blizz will sh8t and defile on anything in order to make more exp for cash
also WoD isn't same universe with 'minor changes', it is a very different one, to degree that blizz 'answer' was to sh8tcon the main universe story too, which doesn't make sense when Blackhand who u can still see wc2 manual st ate him as coward has a background of 'willing to sacrifice himself for his tribe', heck Grom who was iconic lean agility warrior took too many protein shake for WoD
but entire wod lore is a big pile of sh8t anyway so while canon don't even try to make sense of it

[Ielenia]

he is saying they didnt drink for most of wod, it wasnt till tannan jungle they drank, so everything they did before that was without demon blood.

Perhaps not at start. But the fact they eventually drank the demon blood knowingly and willingly completely removes the "they didn't know" excuse, as it's shown that, even knowing about it, they would've likely drank it, anyways.

[Zandalariprelate]

not even gonna respond to the rest as its right out ignoring massive key points
i think you forget those are from PTR not release
notice how that is november? because 8.1 released.
because once 8.1 released the alliance scares off the vulpera.
also you show two people fighting... oh god a vulpera attacking a human and said human burning a vulpera...
oh and wait that's not even a human, thats a fucking dwarf.

your video shows alliance fightign vulpera...
and alliance burning some empty carts...
ok? where do you see alliance "hunting" vulpera, i see you chose that specific word very carefully, and "burning their homes" small caravanes filled with supplies for the horde...

You can literally see the horde supplies here, and the alliance side does not do any of this.
we scare off the gaurds and then burn the supplies.

if you do not want to become an enemy to the alliance, and have your homes burned
dont transport horde supplies with your homes...
"They burned down their homes!" which were filled with horde supplies...
"They attacked them!" cause they were defending horde supplies...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDRNp9N49QA

This video is from 3 months ago and nope blizzard only changed the name from Purge Squad to "despoilers" but you still see dead Vulperas and burned caravans.

[Syegfryed]

Yes, they did. Gul'dan offered a second helping of demon blood after the Blackrock Foundry. Grommash refused, but basically everyone else did, Kilrogg included. Did you forget the entire questing in Tanaan Jungle and Hellfire Citadel?

an, you are talking about this scenario, but how this correlate with the drinking and the attack on the draenei? cause not "everyone drink" the maghar are from various clans who didn't

Also, tons of draenei sided with the Legion as well

[FelPlague]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDRNp9N49QA

This video is from 3 months ago and nope blizzard only changed the name from Purge Squad to "despoilers" but you still see dead Vulperas and burned caravans.

Burned caravans filled with horde supplies
and dead vulpera guards, guarding horde supplies...

since when has been attacking supply lines evil?
the vulpera are part of the horde
they are sending supplies to the horde
and killing guards

these are not innocent defencless vulpera being attacked in their homes
these are carvans carrying horde supplies with armed guards being attacked by the alliance

[Syegfryed]

Perhaps not at start. But the fact they eventually drank the demon blood knowingly and willingly completely removes the "they didn't know" excuse, as it's shown that, even knowing about it, they would've likely drank it, anyways.

it don't because thats two different scenarios, with tons of different variables

if they did know it was demon blood when the war with the draenei was happening they would not drink.

[Zandalariprelate]

Burned caravans filled with horde supplies
and dead vulpera guards, guarding horde supplies...

since when has been killing horde supply carts with guards been "evil"

Those caravans are their home, and yes it's bad to kill people who aren't involved in the enemy faction but still sells products or it was ok for the nazi to destroy ships of the U.S when they were trading partners with the UK? Also yes you always take a scort for important goods in orden to ensure the civilians involved and the products have some protection.

Also you can see fire human burning vulperas, damm I did that invasion last week with my draenei and you can see the WQ for both sides, but ok Alliance=good, Horde=Bad, happy now?

[Ielenia]

it don't because thats two different scenarios, with tons of different variables

if they did know it was demon blood when the war with the draenei was happening they would not drink.

That's not what the evidence tells us. The might've refused at first, but evidence tells us it's highly likely they'd have drank it, either way, knowing or not knowing.

EDIT: Especially if their battle against the draenei wasn't faring so well.

[FelPlague]

Those caravans are their home, and yes it's bad to kill people who aren't involved in the enemy faction but still sells products or it was ok for the nazi to destroy ships of the U.S when they were trading partners with the UK? Also yes you always take a scort for important goods in orden to ensure the civilians involved and the products have some protection.

Also you can see fire human burning vulperas, damm I did that invasion last week with my draenei and you can see the WQ for both sides, but ok Alliance=good, Horde=Bad, happy now?

No, those caravans are not their homes, they are CARAVANS filled to the brim with HORDE SUPPLIES
not involved in the enemy faction? THEY ARE LITERALLY CARRYING HORDE SUPPLIES.

also funny you compare to IRL when the whole reason nazi germany fell is because we attacked their supply lines that followed their blitzkrieg, and luckily made them run dry of ammo and rations. funny.

The vulpera made themselves soldiers when they raised arms
the vulpera made themselves part of the fight when they started carting around horde supplies

you are seriously stretching to bounds that are just gymnastics at this point
trash loa for a reason.

[Syegfryed]

That's not what the evidence tells us. The might've refused at first, but evidence tells us it's highly likely they'd have drank it, either way, knowing or not knowing.

EDIT: Especially if their battle against the draenei wasn't faring so well.

thats false, evidence show they would not, Grom was a warmonger with thirst of power and was the first to drink, but when he knew what it was he totally refused, they would rather die in the battle than drink demon juju

The second scenario again, is different with different variables

[FelPlague]

thats false, evidence show they would not, Grom was a warmonger with thirst of power and was the first to drink, but when he knew what it was he totally refused, they would rather die in the battle than drink demon juju

The second scenario again, is different with different variables

didnt he then drink the demon juju again anyways..?

[Ielenia]

thats false, evidence show they would not, Grom was a warmonger with thirst of power and was the first to drink, but when he knew what it was he totally refused, they would rather die in the battle than drink demon juju

And then Gul'dan came with a second helping, and Grommash refused again. But then guess what? Kil'rogg drank it... and a plethora of orcs followed.

The second scenario again, is different with different variables

This "second scenario is different with different variables" doesn't really work here, because the moment the orcs refuse to drink the demon blood in "original scenario"... it is no longer the "original scenario". It's now a "different scenario with different variables".

But you know what? You say the orcs wouldn't willingly drink demon blood. So let me ask you did: did you just happen to play the orc campaign in Warcraft 3? Where orcs... drank demon blood willingly and knowingly? And this second time is even worse, because they knew of the consequences, this second time.

The point is: orcs have been shown to want to drink demon blood for power.

[Jastall]

I really like how the Orcs's conscious decision to dabble in obviously Bad News magic and genocide everything in sight is the fault of literally everyone but the Orcs.

Using the amazing logic on display here, the Forsaken are totally to blame for Arthas.

[FelPlague]

And then Gul'dan came with a second helping, and Grommash refused again. But then guess what? Kil'rogg drank it... and a plethora of orcs followed.


This "second scenario is different with different variables" doesn't really work here, because the moment the orcs refuse to drink the demon blood in "original scenario"... it is no longer the "original scenario". It's now a "different scenario with different variables".

But you know what? You say the orcs wouldn't willingly drink demon blood. So let me ask you did: did you just happen to play the orc campaign in Warcraft 3? Where orcs... drank demon blood willingly and knowingly? And this second time is even worse, because they knew of the consequences, this second time.

The point is: orcs have been shown to want to drink demon blood for power.

remember when the orcs sacrificed humans in hopes it would get them more demon blood, cause they wanted it so bad?

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Be so full of yourself that you rename their planet after your race.

Nothing wrong with that. It's up to everyone else how they call their world, and apparently they liked the word "Draenor" that it caught on.

You also have a prophet as a leader who knows for a fact that he is being pursued by space Lucifer and its only a matter of time before space Lucifer catches up

The orcs and ogres of this world have no greater concept of evil

And you do absolutely nothing to warn them of the great evil that is coming

I don't think you realize how utterly vast space is. The chances that the Legion would've been able to find their city in that exact valley, on that exact continent, on that exact planet, in that exact star system, in that exact region of space, is astronomically impossible. Realistically, the Legion should've never have managed to find the Draenei. The Draenei hadn't heard about Dark Portals or interplanetary portals either, let alone thought that any race on Draenor would create on. No reason to spread the word. The fact that the Burning Legion came in the first place is a coincidence.

AND IN A MOVE THAT SURPRISED NO ONE SPACE LUCIFER WAS ABLE TO CORRUPT PRIMITIVES

The fact that Ner'zhul didn't choose to re-examine the "spirit" that was talking to him and contemplate "why" is on him. The Draenei are not responsible for the Orc's choosing to follow the spirit and choosing to drink the blood.

And because your race remained secluded and hid away from the world instead of trying to coexist with the natural inhabitants, you get purged.

They did trade and have relations; each race simply tended to keep to themselves, just as how the races of Azeroth tended to keep to themselves whilst having limited contact with each other.

Oh and the Naaru that you brought to this world is now evil getting up to no good

The Light and the Naaru were unquestionably good beings from their inception in WC3 for thirteen years, until post-modernist writing retconned them into being "just another side of the same coin" as the shadow/void/whatever.

Proceed to leave Draenor a fel shattered rock and try to play the victim about it

They are victims.

[Zandalariprelate]

No, those caravans are not their homes, they are CARAVANS filled to the brim with HORDE SUPPLIES
not involved in the enemy faction? THEY ARE LITERALLY CARRYING HORDE SUPPLIES.

The vulpera made themselves soldiers when they raised arms
the vulpera made themselves part of the fight when they started carting around horde supplies

you are seriously stretching to bounds that are just gymnastics at this point
trash loa for a reason.

Freaking lol, where do you think they live? Hint: In those mobile huts because they don't have a home and they are nomade people, besides only because they carrie things for x faction that makes them a valid target? Normally in every fictional universe and this one the answer is a big Yes but here in wow where the standar is near of the carebear levels, attacking the enemy is already see as something bad and killing transport personal probably counts as a warcrime.

also funny you compare to IRL when the whole reason nazi germany fell is because we attacked their supply lines that followed their blitzkrieg, and luckily made them run dry of ammo and rations. funny.

Nope that wasn't the reason, the soviet bodies were used as meat shields to absorb most of the german bullets, missiles and tanks, there is a reason they could barely control the western front even without the U.S or the U.K invading in land yet.

The vulpera made themselves soldiers when they raised arms
the vulpera made themselves part of the fight when they started carting around horde supplies

So the furbols who helped the night elves are now valid targets, the same with the KT when they only in conversation with the alliance in the beginning of the expansion? One thing is killing people in self defense and another killing the poor workforce civilians, although this is a very valid tactic, it's against the so called morale code of the alliance, after all the can't have 2 battles in the same day, that will be dishonorable.

trash loa for a reason.

Thank you, Jaina will be pleased by this

[FelPlague]

Freaking lol, where do you think they live? Hint: In those mobile huts because they don't have a home and they are nomade people, besides only because they carrie things for x faction that makes them a valid target? Normally in every fictional universe and this one the answer is a big Yes but here in wow where the standar is near of the carebear levels, attacking the enemy is already see as something bad and killing transport personal probably counts as a warcrime.



Nope that wasn't the reason, the soviet bodies were used as meat shields to absorb most of the german bullets, missiles and tanks, there is a reason they could barely control the western front even without the U.S or the U.K invading in land yet.



So the furbols who helped the night elves are now valid targets, the same with the KT when they only in conversation with the alliance in the beginning of the expansion? One thing is killing people in self defense and another killing the poor workforce civilians, although this is a very valid tactic, it's against the so called morale code of the alliance, after all the can't have 2 battles in the same day, that will be dishonorable.



Thank you, Jaina will be pleased by this

1. don't do business in your home, NEVER do business in your home, that is why, you cant say "hey i was making drugs, but its in my home, so you cant arrest me!"
No, attacking a neutral party assisting specifically 1 side has NEVER been evil in any universe, show me, show me some of these universe where attacking the allies of your enemy is seen as evil.

2. dont seem to know history

3. yes, the furbolgs made themselves alliance bound by assisitng the elves, as did the kultirans by assisting the alliance, making them liable targets for the horde, holy fuck its almost like they were allies!

4. yeah no talking about the shitty dinosaur wannabe you alone have ruined jani for me.

[Syegfryed]

didnt he then drink the demon juju again anyways..?

some of then did, not everyone, and then again, different scenarios with different variables

And then Gul'dan came with a second helping, and Grommash refused again. But then guess what? Kil'rogg drank it... and a plethora of orcs followed.

some of then did, and grom didn't, so, the orcs as whole, would not

This "second scenario is different with different variables" doesn't really work here, because the moment the orcs refuse to drink the demon blood in "original scenario"... it is no longer the "original scenario". It's now a "different scenario with different variables".

yeah, and if they did know, they would not drink in the first one, saying they would because the second one its absurd.

But you know what? You say the orcs wouldn't willingly drink demon blood. So let me ask you did: did you just happen to play the orc campaign in Warcraft 3? Where orcs... drank demon blood willingly and knowingly? And this second time is even worse, because they knew of the consequences, this second time.

they drink water in a fountain corrupted by the demonblood

they said there was a demon curse in the waer, by grom said he was already cursed so didn't matter

he also face refuse from others, but just like the first time, the law of simpatry affected everyone there.

The point is: orcs have been shown to want to drink demon blood for power.

the point is, some orcs have been show to want power, exactly like any other race, even the draenei there.

- - - Updated - - -

I really like how the Orcs's conscious decision to dabble in obviously Bad News magic and genocide everything in sight is the fault of literally everyone but the Orcs.

Using the amazing logic on display here, the Forsaken are totally to blame for Arthas.

no one is saying the orcs didn't have blame, but they are not the only ones to blame