Alabama R's tried to make all abortion a felony to force a SCOTUS decision

[HeWalks]

Abortion is not infanticide. Anyone claiming it is, is a liar and a dishonest broker whose goal is to pollute the discourse, not aid in any better understanding of the issue.

By your definition as a Leftist, it isn't.

By mine as a conservative Christian, it is.

One day we will both know for sure who was right and who was wrong.

[Shalcker]

Why do you people keep arguing with the others about what a fetus or life is? Stop it!

Keep it simple. You are pro-choice and your believe you have no right to decide over another's person body. You may be even against abortion but believe it's a decision to each individual. Stop forcing your beliefs on other people.

How would you think about pro-choice being applied to vaccinations? "It's their body, they are free to do or not do whatever they want with it"?

Just like vaccination rates, birth rates affect a lot more people then just those "deciding for themselves".

[Zaydin]

How would you think about pro-choice being applied to vaccinations? "It's their body, they are free to do or not do whatever they want with it"?

Just like vaccination rates, birth rates affect a lot more people then just those "deciding for themselves".

Because anti-vaxxers actively threaten the lives of people who cannot get vaccinated with their 'decisions'.

[Shalcker]

Because anti-vaxxers actively threaten the lives of people who cannot get vaccinated with their 'decisions'.

Is it their body or not to decide?

After all, this Republican bill still leaves "if it threatens your health, you may abort" clause too.

[Mayhem]

How would you think about pro-choice being applied to vaccinations? "It's their body, they are free to do or not do whatever they want with it"?

Just like vaccination rates, birth rates affect a lot more people then just those "deciding for themselves".

Hey, let's bring up something completely different and compare it with this?

If you're going that route you must also be in favor of sentencing people who caused someone to fall ill because of their choice to not vaccinate.


Come to think of it, you can't be against abortion for the sake of saving a life and also be against vaccination actually threatening the lives of babies.

[Shalcker]

Hey, let's bring up something completely different and compare it with this?

I'm quite interested in where universalism vs particularism lines go for different people.

If you're going that route you must also be in favor of sentencing people who caused someone to fall ill because of their choice to not vaccinate.

That is one of solutions, sure, if you consider jail to be fitting punishment for endangering other people in any way. Which i don't.

Maybe jailing is just easier to legislate in Alabama for whatever reason.

Edit: After checking, people already do get jailed for refusing to vaccinate in US

Come to think of it, you can't be against abortion for the sake of saving a life and also be against vaccination actually threatening the lives of babies.

People are focusing on "their body, their choice" aspect though, not "saving a life" (because, clearly, baby carried to term rather then aborted is "saving a life" even if fetus status is dubious).

[Benggaul]

Just as a reminder, the reason the Alabama Republicans have done this is to force the SCOTUS to reconsider Roe v. Wade. It's intentionally insane for that sole reason. This makes it not only scary for women in Alabama, but potentially many other states as well (except perhaps California as noted above).

[PACOX]

Republicans are straight becoming the Taliban.

[Belize]

Reading through the legislation I think the only reasonable answer to this is for people in the US who care on basic women's rights to push for a full boycott on anything produced in Alabama. Force any companies based there to move the fuck out.

What product from Alabama though? Billy Bob teeth? Lmao XD

[Flarelaine]

Disgusting.

Why didn't they just go all-out and reinstate slavery while they were at it? That's actually in the bible, you pieces of shit.

I don't doubt some would.

[JohnBrown1917]

So you get more prison time for aborting a fetus that is the product of rape than the rapist himself?
Might as well rename the US to Protostant republic of America

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Disgusting.

Why didn't they just go all-out and reinstate slavery while they were at it? That's actually in the bible, you pieces of shit.

Being rich is also a sin in the bible, but hey, that would mean picking the parts they cant controll woman with.

[JohnBrown1917]

By your definition as a Leftist, it isn't.

By mine as a conservative Christian, it is.

One day we will both know for sure who was right and who was wrong.

Nah, the science is settled on this, a fetus is not an infant.

[akris15]

I think the reason the GOP is okay with Trump smashing so many of our institutions and norms is because they know they are trapped in a demographic death spiral of their own making thanks to the Southern Strategy and their xenophobic positions in recent years and, rather than trying to reverse it, decided they would rather burn the rest of the country down to the ground with them as they die out and when Democrats get into power and set about trying to clean up the mess and fix things, they can blame Democrats for the disaster the GOP made.

Say what you want about Karl Rove he actually knew his stuff. He saw the writing on the wall and noticed that Latinos would be the perfect fit for a new Republican base. Too bad all the other Republicans decided to throw that away and pretty much making a 70/30 split at best for the foreseeable future (although it slowly going back to 75/25 it seems) in the largest growing demographic.

[s_bushido]

By your definition as a Leftist, it isn't.

By mine as a conservative Christian, it is.

One day we will both know for sure who was right and who was wrong.

Oh, and when will that be? When all us Leftists are burning in hell? Fuck off.

[zenkai]

How is a woman fighting against her own interests if they support republican party?

You see it's simple, anti lifers changed the argument to women's rights because they don't want to admit they are killing undborn children, it just sounds better. Pro Lifers, men and women, see it as protecting an unborn life and nothing to do with women's rights.

You can make an argument that an unborn child is not a life, that's a fair debate but don't be dishonest in ones like this.

[s_bushido]

Pro Lifers, men and women, see it as protecting an unborn life and nothing to do with women's rights.

Yes, everyone knows that pro-birthers don't consider the rights of women to be even slightly important. That is why you don't understand that whether or not the fetus is a "life" is largely irrelevant to whether or not a woman should have the right to decide what happens to her body.

[zenkai]

Yes, everyone knows that pro-birthers don't consider the rights of women to be even slightly important. That is why you don't understand that whether or not the fetus is a "life" is largely irrelevant to whether or not a woman should have the right to decide what happens to her body.

Yup, all those pro life women are so anti women's rights

[Draco-Onis]

Is it their body or not to decide?

After all, this Republican bill still leaves "if it threatens your health, you may abort" clause too.

Because abortions aren't diseases that cause everyone around them to get sick.

[Elegiac]

Yup, all those pro life women are so anti women's rights

It’s entirely possible for people to be complicit in their own oppression.

[s_bushido]

Yup, all those pro life women are so anti women's rights

Yes, that is what being "pro-life" means in this context. I'm glad we agree.