Lol! Good point. Good to see you back. And for the record, ( a lot on here already know this, since I am a dirty Trump supporter ) I support the Heart Beat laws the states have passed recently. Which they do have a realistic chance of getting support from the Supreme Court. But personally, which many do not agree with, I believe a human's life begins at conception. Debate on it however, can not be done on this forum.
" If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.." - Abraham Lincoln
“ The Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to - prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..” - Samuel Adams
" If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.." - Abraham Lincoln
“ The Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to - prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..” - Samuel Adams
Lets be fair, the sort of woman that votes GoP are a lot less likley to be harmed by this. They are, for the most part, white and rich.
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For longer than the guy that raped them, sounds like fun.
Are the prisons this desperate for new slave labour?
That's not true, though. The female politicians who propose and vote in favor of laws like this may be rich and never have to face the reality of an unwanted pregnancy. But the women who vote for the GoP aren't necissarily wealthy. I'd go out on a limb and say that poor white families are just as likely to vote (R) as poor black families are to vote (D).
I don't think that is the case, most of them, those in poverity, don't vote at all. Be it due to voter surpression or other various reasons. Ofcourse, its non-whites are hit harder be this, but don't get the wrong idea, they hate everybody who is poor. Just that anybody not white has it way worse. It does not take a genius to figure out what demographic will be hit the hardest with this law, its like the war on drugs all over again.
The rich white protostants(or other christian sects) have all the power in states like this, and they intent to keep it that way.
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So, where is the fine line of "making sense" here?
How does carrying baby to term harms anyone? This legislation certainly condones abortion if harm can be proven.Not endangering, but actually harming people.
"Mother (in Ohio) opposes vaccination on religious grounds, goes against wishes of father to vaccinate, gets jailed for not following court order to vaccinate (for about 9 months), loses custody of kid in question and he gets vaccinated anyway."paywall
Makes a lot of arguments about choice that can be translated into pro-abortion stance word-for-word.
Not vaccinating does not directly harms any human being though, it just increases risks.Exactly, their body, their choice, without harming another human being, therein lies the difference.
Would you be okay with abortions being forbidden if Republicans would show specific risks increasing from reduced birth rates?
From universalist perspective i can see either that both forced vaccinations AND forbidden abortions could happen, or, alternatively, both could be left to be decided by individual.
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Getting an abortion is dealing with the consequences.
Do you think it should be the law of the land that people who get injured doing something stupid (or illegal) be withheld treatment to teach them a lesson?
Do you think having sex (or having sex forced upon you) is an action so heinous that women who dare to engage in it should be forced to carry and deliver their pregnancy under penalty of law?
Do you think legislating that people be born solely to teach their mothers a lesson is an ethical stance to take?
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Hey now! You are stepping in man’s rights territory. Remember the complaint that a woman gets to choose weather to keep the baby or not? Maybe that’s what is needed... enough men that could convince the girlfriend to get an abortion, but got stuck with child support because of government intervention. That might be the only way to have the abortion debate end... focus on government forcing child support, on men who didn’t want the baby.
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi