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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Togabito View Post
    Can you correct me on this please?

    Right now my best items are from LFR. And other people are (on average) walking about with 400-something item level.

    In 8.2 i will be on a "better" situation...right?
    Because 430 will be much better than the LFR gear of 8.2.

    I will be on a MUCH BETTER situation than now...right?
    Yes, you will get better gear if your highest item is between 370-385 right now.

    But as it seems its probably gonna be a long time for a full set, and i am not talking 1-2 months.

    You are also missing the mount/pets if going for gear.

    Right now it seems to be 5 pearls from a weekly, and i can assume WQs might give them, i would estimate 1/430 item per month without missing anything at best.

    Which would be accurate to get a full set around 6-7 months where its gonna reset cause new raid somewhere at 2020 Janu/Feb.

    Unless they are farmable from rare spawns etc, which would probably mean a couple of months if going full farm mode i would assume.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaito92 View Post
    Maybe you confusing casual with being bad?

    Somebody being casual, including the context of videogames, means they are not as dedicated and not spending much time with something, mostly a hobby. They engage with it "casually", hence the word. They dont care about it. Easy to look up

    Someone grinding double digit hours for tokens for the equivalent of gear that you get in a couple of lockouts in the miniscule of that time for puggable content (heroic or m+, which doesnt even have lockouts) is the opposite of casual friendly. Its bad friendly, in cost of more time, which most casual player claim to have none of it

    People should stop using casual as a smokescreen for being bad. Im pretty sure most of method raiders play this game on average more casually then people that claim being casuals and having 30 alts and grinding every day or something like that

    There is no several type of casuals, stop inventing own definition. The words you looking is for are bad players
    With all due respect...but your reasoning is very flawed and you are simply talking down on the OP.
    He said EXPLICITLY that his experiences with premade content (which includes all PUGs) are very bad. He gets declined a lot and if he gets a group going it often fails and does not get him anwhere. Anybody who knows the game also knows that this is EXACTLY the experience you will get out of it as a solo-player. You do not magically get invited into +10 farmruns by players you don't know when your gear sucks and you have no r.io.

    What you need to do to get out of this situation is either a) socialise a lot more and find a group of players around you or b) improve your gear and r.io by sucking it up and suffering through the first very bad weeks.

    Neither a or b match YOUR OWN definition of what a casual is likely to do. Once your r.io is high you can go "casual" because people will invite you and all you need to do is play good in your 1-2 dungeons a week, sure. But if your gear is hsit and your r.io is bad you have NO WAY to get out of this situation short of stop being casual for some weeks.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaito92 View Post
    Maybe you confusing casual with being bad?

    Somebody being casual, including the context of videogames, means they are not as dedicated and not spending much time with something, mostly a hobby. They engage with it "casually", hence the word. They dont care about it. Easy to look up

    Someone grinding double digit hours for tokens for the equivalent of gear that you get in a couple of lockouts in the miniscule of that time for puggable content (heroic or m+, which doesnt even have lockouts) is the opposite of casual friendly. Its bad friendly, in cost of more time, which most casual player claim to have none of it

    People should stop using casual as a smokescreen for being bad. Im pretty sure most of method raiders play this game on average more casually then people that claim being casuals and having 30 alts and grinding every day or something like that

    There is no several type of casuals, stop inventing own definition. The words you looking is for are bad players
    Rants about people using wrong definition of casual - writes a small essay proving he doesn't know what he's talking about. The world we live in....

    Fyi, Having the liberty to engage with the game for the amount of time of your choosing - that's what it means to be a casual player, i.e. doing something irregularly.
    If he has has 15 minutes to do some quests today - it's fine. If he doesn't want to do any - it's fine. If he suddenly has 3 hours to do quests and get some token currency on Monday - that does not make him a hardcore grinder trying to mask him being bad. Method and co. are anything but casual. Sure, new raid comes out and you can get insane amounts of ilvl/hour compared to any "bad"(in your words) player. Do you take into consideration the amount of time that has been spent getting to that point in time?

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by potis View Post
    Yes, you will get better gear if your highest item is between 370-385 right now.

    But as it seems its probably gonna be a long time for a full set, and i am not talking 1-2 months.

    You are also missing the mount/pets if going for gear.

    Right now it seems to be 5 pearls from a weekly, and i can assume WQs might give them, i would estimate 1/430 item per month without missing anything at best.

    Which would be accurate to get a full set around 6-7 months where its gonna reset cause new raid somewhere at 2020 Janu/Feb.

    Unless they are farmable from rare spawns etc, which would probably mean a couple of months if going full farm mode i would assume.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathasil View Post
    With all due respect...but your reasoning is very flawed and you are simply talking down on the OP.
    He said EXPLICITLY that his experiences with premade content (which includes all PUGs) are very bad. He gets declined a lot and if he gets a group going it often fails and does not get him anwhere. Anybody who knows the game also knows that this is EXACTLY the experience you will get out of it as a solo-player. You do not magically get invited into +10 farmruns by players you don't know when your gear sucks and you have no r.io.

    What you need to do to get out of this situation is either a) socialise a lot more and find a group of players around you or b) improve your gear and r.io by sucking it up and suffering through the first very bad weeks.

    Neither a or b match YOUR OWN definition of what a casual is likely to do. Once your r.io is high you can go "casual" because people will invite you and all you need to do is play good in your 1-2 dungeons a week, sure. But if your gear is hsit and your r.io is bad you have NO WAY to get out of this situation short of stop being casual for some weeks.
    Thank you for your post, thats exactly the situation.
    I dont want to sound entitled...but i really hate to "fail" a Mythic+...and it happens a lot from my experience.
    So i just choose not to do it :S

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathasil View Post
    With all due respect...but your reasoning is very flawed and you are simply talking down on the OP.
    He said EXPLICITLY that his experiences with premade content (which includes all PUGs) are very bad. He gets declined a lot and if he gets a group going it often fails and does not get him anwhere. Anybody who knows the game also knows that this is EXACTLY the experience you will get out of it as a solo-player. You do not magically get invited into +10 farmruns by players you don't know when your gear sucks and you have no r.io.

    What you need to do to get out of this situation is either a) socialise a lot more and find a group of players around you or b) improve your gear and r.io by sucking it up and suffering through the first very bad weeks.

    Neither a or b match YOUR OWN definition of what a casual is likely to do. Once your r.io is high you can go "casual" because people will invite you and all you need to do is play good in your 1-2 dungeons a week, sure. But if your gear is hsit and your r.io is bad you have NO WAY to get out of this situation short of stop being casual for some weeks.
    topic name is a casual player dream. I adressed that. Easy and simple
    Also how he is admitting to not time 6+ and getting mad about it so he simply doesnt even try me trying talk down? Like what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tang0 View Post
    Rants about people using wrong definition of casual - writes a small essay proving he doesn't know what he's talking about. The world we live in....

    Fyi, Having the liberty to engage with the game for the amount of time of your choosing - that's what it means to be a casual player, i.e. doing something irregularly.
    If he has has 15 minutes to do some quests today - it's fine. If he doesn't want to do any - it's fine. If he suddenly has 3 hours to do quests and get some token currency on Monday - that does not make him a hardcore grinder trying to mask him being bad. Method and co. are anything but casual. Sure, new raid comes out and you can get insane amounts of ilvl/hour compared to any "bad"(in your words) player. Do you take into consideration the amount of time that has been spent getting to that point in time?
    this is not what casuals means, sry, try again
    Quote Originally Posted by Togabito View Post
    Im not a bad player.
    Im a lazy player dammit.
    Then this system is also bad for you, cause you gonna work more for it, blizzarrd is gonna launch a new season of world of diablo in couple of month, after the time people told you gonna need on minimum to farm those items which even dont cover every slot, that gonna invalidate everything again
    But im pretty convinced from your posts your bad tbh. Like you need gear for what, enabling war mode and dont have a "major disadvantage" in pvp, after pvp is normalizied? ok

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaito92 View Post
    Then this system is also bad for you, cause you gonna work more for it, blizzarrd is gonna launch a new season of world of diablo in couple of month, after the time people told you gonna need on minimum to farm those items which even dont cover every slot, that gonna invalidate everything again
    But im pretty convinced from your posts your bad tbh. Like you need gear for what, enabling war mode and dont have a "major disadvantage" in pvp, after pvp is normalizied? ok
    Try to duel a 400-something item level player with your 370 ilvl toon...then come back to me...and tell to my face pvp is "normalized"

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Togabito View Post
    Duels in front of Stormwind...thats my thing.
    So you're going to farm for months just in order to have gear to fight 1v1 duels with people who probably have better gear than you through M+ and raiding?


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  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Togabito View Post
    Try to duel a 400-something item level player with your 370 ilvl toon...then come back to me...and tell to my face pvp is "normalized"
    Now you are moving goalpoast to toons, having multiple geared up toons must some other mystic "casual" thing i guess.
    Also, in your initial post you mention warmode. This duel thing doesnt even make sense. Even if you would get free 390 gear now, they are people that have above 420 gear. Just dont duel with people that are that much above your toon
    Your welcome for the free solution

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    would be good if this gear stays so easily attainable.

    i don't care if the gear is green, blue, or epic. but i want to kill things FAST. fuck slow gameplay, fuck slow classes, and fuck killing shit slow.

    this gear will help me accomplish that. the game's only fun when i'm going 1k miles an hour.
    I'm assuming it will be at a similar rate to catch up gear in Broken Shore in Legion.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Togabito View Post
    Why does it sound like bait?
    Because catch-up gear is going on for over a decade now. New content = new gear. The lower kind doesn't really require much effort, just time.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaito92 View Post
    this is not what casuals means, sry, try again
    Well, shit, son, you're delusional. I gave you a definition from a dictionary. But I guess you must be an authority on such things, who am I to argue here.

    I'm more eager to believe you are an authority on being a bad player, that seems to be your shtick, lol.

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    I'm assuming it will be at a similar rate to catch up gear in Broken Shore in Legion.
    i'm ok with that.

    argus was a bit faster, would prefer that. but it's whatever. as long as i get to a point where the goddamned ilvl scaling isn't felt anymore. doesn't seem to matter how high i get my gear on live, nothing ever feels like i've progressed. it's shit and makes me want to quit, and i mean i virtually have, i just still have a sub for about 8 more days.

    ilvl scaling is the most cancerous garbage they have ever introduced. whatever piece of shit thought it up needs to be beaten with a belt.
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  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    Because catch-up gear is going on for over a decade now. New content = new gear. The lower kind doesn't really require much effort, just time.
    Correct me if wrong, but isnt 430 ilvl a bit better than Broken Shore gear was at the time.

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Spotnick View Post
    Not really different from Relinquished Gear from Argus or Broken Shore.

    Or whatever was on the Timeless Isle or Tanaan Jungle.
    That gear was around the same item level of the previous raid tiers LFR. This gear starts low, but can be upgraded and that is the big change. It wont be nearly as impactful as @Togabito seems to be hoping, but it will bridge some gaps for people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Togabito View Post
    The hardest content i do right now is LFR or Mythic 0 dungeons...and to be quite honest there is nothing else to do as a casual player.

    Now comes Nazjatar.
    And you are telling me...i will now be able to be ilvl 430...without RNG...farming world content...everyday...for weeks?
    And then i need to go to Mechagon to farm weapons, rings and trinkets?
    And then i need to farm world content to unlock the neckpiece talents?

    Man...seems like an adventure to me specially with warmode on.

    Am i missing something important? Or is it really true that a casual player will have all this things to do?
    Seems dreamy.
    Sounds a lot like the timless stuff or empowered apexis. The currency is mana pearls. How many you can get and how quickly is up in the air because the read up made it sound like a 5 ilvl upgrade everytime you use a pearl.

  16. #36
    The essences will be a grind fest for content you don't like.

  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Tang0 View Post
    What if I told you casuals do M0 for a weekly cache when the quest comes around? Don't need to go higher as a casual, saves stress, time and hassle of getting a key group

    Also difficulty is directly proportionate to time spent.
    No it's not. There are plenty of mythic guilds out there that raid two nights a week and I've even seen a few that raid 1 night a week for 3-4 hours and still clear mythic difficulty content. I've been in 2 night a week guilds that had no issues clearing all mythic level raid content.

  18. #38
    Problem is, there is no end goal at the end of casual experience. Raiders have their progression, PVPers have their rating. For ultra casual people it's better to farm some mount or transmog, because it will actually last.

    BfA really needs it's own Mage Tower in 8.3. It could be designed aound "world content" gear from next patch.

  19. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Saninicus View Post
    Sounds a lot like the timless stuff or empowered apexis. The currency is mana pearls. How many you can get and how quickly is up in the air because the read up made it sound like a 5 ilvl upgrade everytime you use a pearl.
    It's hard to tell because some of the stuff seems locked behind reputation and Blizzard isn't providing a way to get those reps quickly on the PTR. You can get about 5 pearls per day from daily activities, but perhaps more once you get higher reputation? Also, the gear you buy costs 5 pearls and is a 385 ilvl baseline. Then you purchase another item for 20 pearls to bump it to 400. Then you can purchase additional items that bump the item by 5 ilvls for 10 pearls each. So from 385 to 430 it's a total of 85 pearls or (at the current rate) about two weeks per item for a 430 item. This excludes azerite gear btw, there are different items for azerite gear at 30 pearls each because they go up by +15 ilvls each time from 385 so their cost for a 430 would be 95 pearls (5 base + 30x3).

  20. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Togabito View Post
    My situation:
    -LFR gear ilvl gets you declined to every group.
    -I would need to level up my key on my own to at least +6, +7
    -My groups disband constantly and we fail keys a lot
    -I cant be bothered with frustrating stuff like this like failed groups on my keys.

    I choose to not do more than this.
    I don't care what you do, you should do what you enjoy doing. But your statement is factually incorrect.

    You say you have LFR ilvl and if you do keys you would need to go to at least +6 or +7. That is not correct. LFR rewards 370. Mythic +2 rewards 375 in the end of dungeon chest and 385 in the weekly cache. If you have LFR gear you would see upgrades even from +2's.

    Again, do what you enjoy. If you just don't like mythic+ that's cool, but don't post false information as a justification. Just say you don't like it.

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