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    Question If Nagrand is in such a great shape...

    ...that Thrall can be a farmer and it hasn't crumbled and fallen into the Twisting Nether,why the orcs don't want to move to their native homeland? Why instead they decide to starve in the middle of the desert,blame the others for their bad life conditions and instead of moving back,they decide to attack the night elven territories? For the sake of the conquest,because they can't live without the war?

    Why the hell Thrall,who is being called a traitor,a non- orc by some god damn edge lords,who praise Garrosh, who was a warmongering moron such as hitler or stalin,actually gets it? Because he is what - weak,stupid, friendly to the Alliance? Or because he actually has some sense instead of unending anger and will to conquer and burn the things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felixon View Post
    ...that Thrall can be a farmer and it hasn't crumbled and fallen into the Twisting Nether,why the orcs don't want to move to their native homeland? Why instead they decide to starve in the middle of the desert,blame the others for their bad life conditions and instead of moving back,they decide to attack the night elven territories? For the sake of the conquest,because they can't live without the war?

    Why the hell Thrall,who is being called a traitor,a non- orc by some god damn edge lords,who praise Garrosh, who was a warmongering moron such as hitler or stalin,actually gets it? Because he is what - weak,stupid, friendly to the Alliance? Or because he actually has some sense instead of unending anger and will to conquer and burn the things?
    I mean the orcs could have moved to Forsaken controlled Lordaeron and taken over the vast fields of Tirisfal and Hillsbrad that used to feed the largest nation in Azeroth as well as use their woodlands to build ships and buildings; they didn't. They could have made lumber camps and move people to deforest far less defended lush Feralas; they didn't. Lorewise, Thrall explicitly wanted them to suffer. As for Garrosh, both he and orcs in general are just far more used to raiding and pillaging others for their supplies than actually building a stable society because they were originally nomads constantly on the run from Gorian slavers.

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    It is slowly deteriorating as indicated by degrading wheat. It's basically a world existing on borrowed time. That's the whole point Saurfang initially tried to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagoth Ur View Post
    It is slowly deteriorating as indicated by degrading wheat. It's basically a world existing on borrowed time. That's the whole point Saurfang initially tried to make.
    This.
    Also the fact that 1, 2 or 50 individuals can make a living there doesn't mean an entire race can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chonar View Post
    This.
    Also the fact that 1, 2 or 50 individuals can make a living there doesn't mean an entire race can.
    thus the resources of the exodus, the difficulty and everything more

    people sometimes just think on the surface lv

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    Thrall is a miserable failure motivated by racial guilt and Garrosh did nothing wrong, but that has no bearing on Nagrand's state.

    The whole point of the cinematic is that Nagrand looks nice, but it can't be sustainable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    Thrall is a miserable failure motivated by racial guilt and Garrosh did nothing wrong, but that has no bearing on Nagrand's state.
    The whole point of the cinematic is that Nagrand looks nice, but it can't be sustainable.
    Just like the horde.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felixon View Post
    ...that Thrall can be a farmer and it hasn't crumbled and fallen into the Twisting Nether,why the orcs don't want to move to their native homeland? Why instead they decide to starve in the middle of the desert,blame the others for their bad life conditions and instead of moving back,they decide to attack the night elven territories? For the sake of the conquest,because they can't live without the war?

    Why the hell Thrall,who is being called a traitor,a non- orc by some god damn edge lords,who praise Garrosh, who was a warmongering moron such as hitler or stalin,actually gets it? Because he is what - weak,stupid, friendly to the Alliance? Or because he actually has some sense instead of unending anger and will to conquer and burn the things?
    But it isn't really in a great shape, you see this quite well, the crops literally crumble away, Thrall was an idiot for settling in the desert, it was pretty much guaranteed recipe for disaster and lo and behold a few years later disaster struck, by all means most of the orcs should have settled in Lordaeron alongside the forsaken, with Durotar being sparsely populated, so that the people can actually feed themselves.

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    i mean, idk if any of you have ever held a piece of grain, or if anyone from blizzard ever has, but it pretty much crumbles like that when you squeeze it.

    it was a bit of a stupid plant for such an analogy.

    idk, that cinematic did nothing but make nagrand look perfectly habitable and relatively safe and without problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagoth Ur View Post
    It is slowly deteriorating as indicated by degrading wheat. It's basically a world existing on borrowed time. That's the whole point Saurfang initially tried to make.
    Exactly.

    A future, i.e. something safe and long-term to home and nourish future generations just isn't possible there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felixon View Post
    ...that Thrall can be a farmer and it hasn't crumbled and fallen into the Twisting Nether,why the orcs don't want to move to their native homeland? Why instead they decide to starve in the middle of the desert,blame the others for their bad life conditions and instead of moving back,they decide to attack the night elven territories? For the sake of the conquest,because they can't live without the war?

    Why the hell Thrall,who is being called a traitor,a non- orc by some god damn edge lords,who praise Garrosh, who was a warmongering moron such as hitler or stalin,actually gets it? Because he is what - weak,stupid, friendly to the Alliance? Or because he actually has some sense instead of unending anger and will to conquer and burn the things?
    Given how Thrall is the one who deliberately settled the Orcs in a wasteland to punish them, him "getting it" that wastelands aren't exactly life-friendly and that settling in Nagrand makes more sense (though only temporarily because Outland is going to crumble away) is nothing but hypocrisy on his part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    i mean, idk if any of you have ever held a piece of grain, or if anyone from blizzard ever has, but it pretty much crumbles like that when you squeeze it.

    it was a bit of a stupid plant for such an analogy.

    idk, that cinematic did nothing but make nagrand look perfectly habitable and relatively safe and without problems.
    Yeah it did feel silly when I saw that part because yes, I knew they meant to show it as proof that Draenor is crumbling but at the same time, that's wheat grains do fall off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    i mean, idk if any of you have ever held a piece of grain, or if anyone from blizzard ever has, but it pretty much crumbles like that when you squeeze it.

    it was a bit of a stupid plant for such an analogy.

    idk, that cinematic did nothing but make nagrand look perfectly habitable and relatively safe and without problems.
    Well, I have actual wheat grain in my Kitchen I use to make bread with. And I usually use a machine to grind it down, because mine doesnt crumble when touched. Seems also a bit weird why people build Mills to grind their Wheat when its supposed to crumble on touch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LanToaster View Post
    Well, I have actual wheat grain in my Kitchen I use to make bread with. And I usually use a machine to grind it down, because mine doesnt crumble when touched. Seems also a bit weird why people build Mills to grind their Wheat when its supposed to crumble on touch.
    The grains do fall off in wind though, that's how plants naturally propagate right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LanToaster View Post
    Well, I have actual wheat grain in my Kitchen I use to make bread with. And I usually use a machine to grind it down, because mine doesnt crumble when touched. Seems also a bit weird why people build Mills to grind their Wheat when its supposed to crumble on touch.
    i mean, i guess this wheat's a bit dry to be still sticking in the ground.

    but every wheat plant i've held broke up when i rubbed it in my hand like that.

    you use a grinder when you're mass-milling to make something. it's not practical or fun to just squeeze a bunch with your hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    i mean, idk if any of you have ever held a piece of grain, or if anyone from blizzard ever has, but it pretty much crumbles like that when you squeeze it.
    it should not rly work like that, and even the wind made then to dust, it was pretty much fucked

    idk, that cinematic did nothing but make nagrand look perfectly habitable and relatively safe and without problems.
    except it looks like a wasteland crumbling, and falling apart, its not new info, it was being like that for a while, Nagrand could not stand on his own and there is no way to make a sustainable life, just look his "home" its in shit, imagine for a entire horde

    i don't even remember if it rains there

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    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    i mean, idk if any of you have ever held a piece of grain, or if anyone from blizzard ever has, but it pretty much crumbles like that when you squeeze it.

    it was a bit of a stupid plant for such an analogy.

    idk, that cinematic did nothing but make nagrand look perfectly habitable and relatively safe and without problems.
    Not to that degree though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    The grains do fall off in wind though, that's how plants naturally propagate right?
    Dunno about that, but I dont think they fall off that easily, IIRC people actually beat the harvested plants at rocks to get the grain off.

    But if you look at the video, the actual Plant and Grains crumble and fly away in the wind. If only the plant would crumble he would have the grains on his hand.

    Furthermore, the Plants dont crumble that easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagoth Ur View Post
    It is slowly deteriorating as indicated by degrading wheat. It's basically a world existing on borrowed time. That's the whole point Saurfang initially tried to make.
    That makes sense also. I thought it was a hint that there was someone walking through the field, which is how the stealthed assassins had their location compromised since they showed it happening when he touched it and again just before they attacked

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    Which part when Saurfang says for "this world looks good but it's wrong", you did not understand?

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