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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    Nobody was arguing that they weren't Human. What we're arguing is they are different than Humans, the playable WoW race.

    Kul Tiran Humans are different than Humans.



    You're taking 'race' as it would be taken in real life as opposed to World of Warcraft. You need to stop doing that, as that's not how this works.

    Night Elves are a different 'race' than Nightborne. Nightborne are just Night Elves that lived with the Nightwell. Arguably, they're still Night Elves, just minorly changed by magic to look different - But they're treated distinctly, because they are a separate nation with it's own ideals.
    Void Elves are a different 'race' than Blood Elves. Void Elves WERE Blood Elves who were touched by the Void in some indescribable way - It would be ignorant to call them Blood Elves still, but they definitely have resemblances.
    Chimpanzees and Orangutans are both 'Monkeys', but are distinct from one another in many, many ways.

    And don't try to argue real life evolution in a world where magic has, and continues to, alter people's forms, shapes, and beings at will. Evolution is not some far off thing here - Polymorphing is possible and doable, and 'ascension' to different beings has already shown to be possible. It's not unheard of at all for magic to quicken the pace of evolution in this world.

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    See above.

    For someone who calls ME ignorant, you seem to forget this isn't real. So what evolution is like in real life has little bearing to how Blizzard wants evolution to work in their world.

    I mean, do I have to remind you that Humans came about as being mutated Vrykul babies? Literally, Vrykul one day, cursed to give birth to smaller children the next - I don't know what to tell you if you think it's not possible, it already happened.
    And don't try to argue real life evolution in a world where magic has, and continues to, alter people's forms, shapes, and beings at will
    Chimpanzees and Orangutans are both 'Monkeys', but are distinct from one another in many, many ways.
    The same guy, the same post.

    PD: Kul Tirans have never been a different race or a different kind of humans until BfA. They were normal humans. Blizzard just wanted to make a different shape of humans, that's all. Stop saying silly arguments please, it's ridiculous.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    Nobody was arguing that they weren't Human. What we're arguing is they are different than Humans, the playable WoW race.

    Kul Tiran Humans are different than Humans.



    You're taking 'race' as it would be taken in real life as opposed to World of Warcraft. You need to stop doing that, as that's not how this works.

    Night Elves are a different 'race' than Nightborne. Nightborne are just Night Elves that lived with the Nightwell. Arguably, they're still Night Elves, just minorly changed by magic to look different - But they're treated distinctly, because they are a separate nation with it's own ideals.
    Void Elves are a different 'race' than Blood Elves. Void Elves WERE Blood Elves who were touched by the Void in some indescribable way - It would be ignorant to call them Blood Elves still, but they definitely have resemblances.
    Chimpanzees and Orangutans are both 'Monkeys', but are distinct from one another in many, many ways.

    And don't try to argue real life evolution in a world where magic has, and continues to, alter people's forms, shapes, and beings at will. Evolution is not some far off thing here - Polymorphing is possible and doable, and 'ascension' to different beings has already shown to be possible. It's not unheard of at all for magic to quicken the pace of evolution in this world.

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    See above.

    For someone who calls ME ignorant, you seem to forget this isn't real. So what evolution is like in real life has little bearing to how Blizzard wants evolution to work in their world.

    I mean, do I have to remind you that Humans came about as being mutated Vrykul babies? Literally, Vrykul one day, cursed to give birth to smaller children the next - I don't know what to tell you if you think it's not possible, it already happened.
    No, Kul tiran humans and "regular" humans are the same human race. Nothing different. Their racial abilities are different because that's a gameplay thing, they can't have the same racials. They are both the same human race, not some type of sub-species of humans.

    Elven races are a very bad comaprison. Elven races are different based on their different types of magic addiction that changes their body.

    The more accurate in-WoW-universe comparion would be the orcs. Blackrock, warsong, frostwolf, laughing skull etc. These are tribes with different cultures but they are the same orc race. Like lordareon/kul tiras/gilneas/arathi etc. There is nothing different in them. One is fat, one is thinner, but that doesn't change someone's race.

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    Kul Tirans, Stormwindians, Lordeanians etc etc etc are all the same humans. That is what they were always.

    No one differentiated them. KulTirans also were around during the third war. In fact, the only kingdom that was not present was Stormwind, which became the base of operrations for the Alliance after the destruction of Lordaeron. Daelin Proudmoore was the Grand Admiral of the Alliance during the 2nd War and he was still an ally during the 3rd War. He died AFTER the 3rd War at the siege of Theramore.

    So yes, Kul'Tirans were around. Maybe not an abundance of them.

    Each human kingdom became a different "race" simply to justify the different models in the current game. It makes no sense that the Kul'Tirans changed so much from the 2nd war to now. Even if they changed previously why did we never see them before? All their soldiers were "normal" humans before?

    In any case, if they didn't want the Kul'Tiran model they could at least have changed it to humans rather than dwarfs :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    They are Kul Tiran Humans.

    The same way a Chimpanzee and an Orangutan are both Monkeys, and share a common ancestry with Humans.

    They can share ancestry, and still be different. See: Nightborne vs. Night Elf, Blood Elf vs. Void Elf, Blood Elf vs. Night Elf, Gilnean vs. Stormwind Human, the list goes on...
    Yes, Kul Tirans are a different race for gameplay purposes (Hm, I wonder what happens to Lightforged Draenei in Caverns of Time?)...

    Neither chimpanzees nor orangutans are monkeys. They are apes. Just ask any Terry Pratchett fan (ook!). Monkeys (and there is one Old World family and there are 5 New World families) are from two other branches of the order Primates' family tree, distant from each other and from the apes.

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    I just dont think they even thought about CoT at this point.
    So you got a random model
    step into everything will gief ya nothing, mon

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by salate View Post
    I just dont think they even thought about CoT at this point.
    So you got a random model
    This. They probably just have coding to where if you aren't a specific race you will be transformed to another race, and they don't care to do anything else with that because its irrelevant content.
    Never underestimate the unknown, or some shit. *shrugs i unno*

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Lawlhero View Post
    This. They probably just have coding to where if you aren't a specific race you will be transformed to another race, and they don't care to do anything else with that because its irrelevant content.

    It's sad though.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by LeifErikson View Post
    It's sad though.
    No, not really. The huge bulky Kul'Tirans werent around back then. So they can't be running around in that area, because it would upset the timeline.
    Yohohoho

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Vyomesh2 View Post
    No, not really. The huge bulky Kul'Tirans werent around back then. So they can't be running around in that area, because it would upset the timeline.
    Have you read anything that was written in this post?

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    I mean it would be like playing a Chinese man and you were going to France during 1500s. Techincally you are same species, but your genes just wouldn't be found in that area at that time. They have different biological traits that differentiate them. You can tell between an Irish and a french person for example.
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    Close, but no cigar. The lesson is "Green Jesus knows the way, infidel."

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