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2019-05-12, 12:26 PM #1Banned
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Theory: Are Top 10 Guilds just Beta Testers for blizzard and Ion the bench mark?
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2019-05-12, 04:27 PM #2Stood in the Fire
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Theory: people who even consider this is real are idiots
Originally Posted by Itheni
Never believe you have seen the peak of human stupidity and ignorance, or you will constantly be surprised by the new levels the reach almost every day
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2019-05-12, 04:31 PM #3Merely a Setback
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No, no they are not, blizzard tests fights all the time in their own team, but issue is they will never be as good as world first guilds, so they need to "guess" with damage numbers, and some bugs will get through, cause blizz cant spend the time or money to have a 20 man mythic world first level team do a fight 500 times. Originally Posted by Itheni
for example the only bug i saw on uunat was ONE TIME a lazer did not show itself, it was invisible.
people then said "wtf blizz why does that happen why is it not fixed"
OUT OF HUNDREDS OF PULLS IT HAPPENED ONCE.
blizzard could have pulled the boss thousands of times and possibly never seen it, these things happen.
also you say this, and pretend "its a great plan to push content faster" so your saying they have done this since vanilla?
cause vanilla and TBC were FAMOUS for bosses that were literally impossible until they got nerfed.
Originally Posted by WowIsDead64
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2019-05-12, 04:37 PM #4Banned
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The guilds just literally use and treat PTR as a free demo and barely report feedback mate. It's been that way for years because ActiBlizz for some reason think Beta testing and test servers are for PR stuff rather than actually testing and gathering feedback.
Case in point. BFA Beta and them mass deleting feedback because they knew they'd messed up and people weren't happy with set systems.Last edited by Eleccybubb; 2019-05-12 at 04:40 PM.
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2019-05-12, 04:53 PM #5Pandaren Monk
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Why are you calling it ActiBlizz? Blizzard is the only one making wow? Originally Posted by Eleccybubb
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2019-05-12, 05:27 PM #6Dreadlord
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I think it's a good thing that Ion actually raids the content that is put out. Although the timing on specific nerfs with the timing in which his guild progressing is highly questionable.
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2019-05-12, 05:36 PM #7Scarab Lord
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Because its been very evident that Activision is calling the shots at Blizzard now, and Activision is making design choices. Blizzard exists in name only now Originally Posted by Corroc
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You are assuming Blizzard does any real Beta testing or Alpha any more. BFA is proof they dont Originally Posted by Itheni
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2019-05-12, 05:44 PM #8Elemental Lord
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Do you think? Originally Posted by Dystemper
How many quests are there in BfA? How many interactions mid quests? How many items? How many teleportations? How many NPC's? Spells?
This game is fucking huge.
And you think its possible creating this huge worlds without any bugs?
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2019-05-12, 05:56 PM #9Scarab Lord
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LMAO There are bugs in the game that are several Expansions old . Originally Posted by Togabito
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2019-05-12, 06:00 PM #10Elemental Lord
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People often confuse what PTR and Beta are about. They are for catching bugs and make all things stable. When PTR/Alpha is up, there is already too late to scratch all and come up with completely new ideas (especially if you promised "no content drought" this time). Feedback about game systems is considered and implemented (or not) in next patch, or even in next expansion if it's big one. They haven't deleted all Legendaries during Legion, Garrison in WoD, dailies in MoP, etc. Originally Posted by Togabito
But BfA Beta had also two major issues:
- too short and for no reason, before date reveal everyone expected mid September launch; with another month of testing we could avoid shit ton of bugs during Uldir/s1 launch, which also likely caused 8.1 delay
- too few class changes, situation was so bad they HAD to come up with new ideas during Beta, we had complete reworks during last 1-2 months and sadly specs that were not revamped are stuck with current design until 9.0
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2019-05-12, 06:43 PM #11Banned
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So then I’m correct?
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2019-05-12, 06:47 PM #12Banned
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Most likely, no. Originally Posted by Itheni
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2019-05-12, 07:27 PM #13The Lightbringer
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Top 10 guilds, you mean the highly catered to think tanks? They're probably Blizzard shareholders LOL. They have so much influence on the game and are catered to so hard it's not even funny, they're beyond beta testers at this point.
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2019-05-12, 07:36 PM #14I am Murloc!
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Nice tin foil hat theory mate, the only thing that lacked was some faction bias theory.
Originally Posted by Varitok
Originally Posted by Ophenia
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2019-05-12, 07:39 PM #15The Patient
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Nah they just tune the raids hard intentionally at the start to give the world first chasers a bigger challenge. After the race is over, they then nerf the bosses for the general masses. People in my guild call it Hall of Fame difficulty.
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2019-05-12, 07:42 PM #16Titan
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As a beta tester I can confirm this is not true.
"You know you that bitch when you cause all this conversation."
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2019-05-12, 07:55 PM #17Old God
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Back in Vanilla / BC / Wrath there was a bug where if you looted a corpse, you were stuck in a kneeling position until you relogged. Never fixed it for years. In vanilla, all boss fights were bugged because the boss could only hold a small number of debuffs and they never bothered to fix that. In BC they doubled the total number of debuffs allowed I think. Wasn't fixed until Wrath maybe. Point is, you could look at a lot of other things to deduce they aren't putting in an effort to fix bugs.
TO FIX WOW:1. smaller server sizes & server-only LFG awarding satchels, so elite players help others. 2. "helper builds" with loom powers - talent trees so elite players cast buffs on low level players XP gain, HP/mana, regen, damage, etc. 3. "helper ilvl" scoring how much you help others. 4. observer games like in SC to watch/chat (like twitch but with MORE DETAILS & inside the wow UI) 5. guild leagues to compete with rival guilds for progression (with observer mode).6. jackpot world mobs.
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2019-05-12, 08:12 PM #18Scarab Lord
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Does any AAA company really beta test any more? Sure doesnt seem like it , Anthem, Fall out 76 etc. Live is the new Beta test .
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2019-05-12, 08:50 PM #19Banned
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They don't really need to report any feedback. Blizzard logs and can watch what they did. Sure it would be more efficient if they reported exploitable bugs, instead of keeping mum until live after they get a world first using it. But Blizzard sees and logs all that is done on Beta and PTR. Originally Posted by Eleccybubb
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2019-05-12, 08:53 PM #20Banned
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Exactly! Live is the new Beta
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That’s just numbers, not visual bugs or mechanics
Invisible beams
Targeting healers instead of just ranged non healers
Etc
Originally Posted by SirBeef
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