[Spoilers] Safe Haven Cinematic

[Razzako]

MU, floating islands is the give away

Also AU Draenor is now in the present with us(still parallel) and is the last bastion of the IronHorde against the radical Draenei currently... not a good place to raise your orclings

Ohh, I see! That makes it even cooler IMO since MU Nagrand is my favorite zone, I wonder if they'll revamp or add big new things to old Nagrand in-game?

[steelballfc]

Are you the same type of person that felt MoP was biased in favor of the Horde? Here's a super helpful hint: Getting screen time is not an inherently good thing, usually it's the opposite.

a lot of people fell for it

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I am at this stage ready to commit to the assumption that Baine will be the next Warchief. Saurfang's age and his unsuitability for leadership have been stressed a lot and Thrall has now rejected the idea of being Warchief. Only the cow remains. Soon the Horde will be freed of all toxic masculinity and stand hand in hand with Anduin.

don't encourage blizzard

[MikeBogina]

Lol, are you serious?

Do a cinematic, where you have random assassins attack thrall, right as he's like "nah fam, I'm staying here" to get him to return... This is forced bullshit, and you know it is.

But then again, iirc you were so excited for the last rebellion back in MoP that this might actually be enjoyable content for you...

[Voidwielder]

Is it just me or did the undeads look corrupted?

They are literally rotting, moving pieces of flesh. No, not really.

[Super Dickmann]

This is all your fault btw. You just had to taunt Afrasiabi, didn't you?

I know. I apologize to you guys. You tried to warn me.

I am also surprised Thrall's kid wasn't there. Sylvanas trying to kill Thrall, WHO'S ON ANOTHER FREAKING WORLD FARMING, in front of his wife and kid would have been much more powerful, at least as cinematic's purpose goes.

Yeah, they really missed a chance for the pathos of having zombies in Horde uniforms going for Thrall's kids, even just the door to imply it and then Thrall bashing them over the head. Or ending it with Thrall and Saurfang heading out on the run rather than just assuming (rightly) that Sylvanas thought two guys who despite being invisible were easily spotted by an old man were all it took.
@Jastall

The purpose of the assassins is just as a preemptive "Greedo shot first". I wouldn't be surprised if the line was added in later than the rest of the thing since it makes zero sense.

[Aucald]

Complete BS writing and totally uncharacteristic of Sylvanas. Why poke a sleeping bear? Tactical mistep. One of two things would have happened:
1. The assassins would have succeeded and killed Thrall and family. This would have pretty much guaranteed that the entire Orc and Tauren population would have just walked out of the Horde given Thrall's standing with them.
2. The assassins fail and Thrall gets irritated and decide to join against her, as it happened in the video.

Either way it is lose-lose situation for her. Just extremely poor writing overall. Sylvanas isnt stupid. Saurfang reaching out to Thrall for help was kinda obvious. Something Sylvanas should also have anticipated and sent an emissary to Thrall beforehand to counter it.


My 2 c to Wow writers -- Write your own Game of Thrones and dont turn WoW into one. The Sylvanas of Warcraft III would never have done this.

I think this tack makes a degree of sense for Sylvanas, myself. She knows there is a proto-insurrection in the making due to Baine and Saurfang's actions, and she knows Thrall and Saurfang share a pretty deep bond. Thrall would be a likely person for Saurfang to run to, and if properly utilized Thrall could be easily utilized to create a true coalition against her regime. Proactively moving to remove that threat and leaving Saurfang no ground to go makes a lot of tactical sense, and she would also know that Thrall's powers are compromised (as per what we saw in Legion) - making an assassination viable.

I would doubt an emissary from Sylvanas would be well-received by Thrall, they've never been great friends after all - it is more likely they would be dismissed out of hand or, worse, make Thrall curious as to why they were actually sent.

[Voidwielder]

So many people outraged and confused about the Rogues. What is there to be confused about?

[MikeBogina]

Ohh, I see! That makes it even cooler IMO since MU Nagrand is my favorite zone, I wonder if they'll revamp or add big new things to old Nagrand in-game?

It's been one of my favorites aswell, but I'm not sure if they would do any revamping to it to be honest. If they were to, I think they would have made that the playable Mag'har's new home, but it seems that it's just a broken place that's going to continue to fall apart over time.


But I would like them to reuse it at some point

[Doffen]

You didn't get it. The sooner they end it, the sooner they'll make it again. That's my message, and why this is hopeless.
Today is Sylvanas. Tomorrow Gally and Geyarah. Then Lorthemar, Cromush, or even Ji.

Looking forward to watch Ji Firepaw burn Exodar to crisp.

[Razzako]

Urm, no, its outland nagrand, notice the floating islands, and fact that varok draws attention to the fact the crops don't grow well, dying land.

Yep, already stood corrected. An awesome callback to it.

[Voidwielder]

It makes perfect sense to kill Thrall. Sylvanas know there's an underground, proto-rebellion forming. Killing one of the would be leaders is a no-brainer. If they had succeeded, no one would have known, ever. They would suspect but they could not prove.

[formerShandalay]

I'm wondering if Sylvanas is intentionally making people go after her.
I mean in 'A Good War' she muses what will happen when she takes the Horde from Saurfang and that it would make him her enemy. Then she turns right around and does just that.
She displays Derek openly while seemingly trying to torture him into slavery, knowing this must rustle several feathers and make Baine at least act against her.
She makes a show of arresting Baine and killing Zelling, specifically in hostile territory and in front of all her allied leaders plus Rexxar.
She sends two assassins into Outland to attack Thrall, who may have left his shamanism behind somewhat, but who still is a trained and seasoned warrior has a wife with him that is a powerful shaman in her own right.

I still refuse to believe that she is simply dumb, so... is her plan to play some kind of bait, leading them into a trap when they finally all come after her?

Otherwise I really want them to update Outland now, Outland Nagrand is just so beautiful and was done justice in that cinematic. Also I liked that Thrall looked a little like movie Durotan.
Loved the cinematic, but I am questioning Sylvanas's motivations here.

[TigTone]

I’m wondering if the Twilight hammer has inflitrated the horde and are pushing for the horde to go through another civil war to further weaken any resistance for N’zoths return.

I still think Sylvanas is being used or forced to service by N’zoth indirectly or directly.

If not then blizzard making her villian is just stupid.
I always liked her as hordes “oh shit” button for desperate moments in war.

[Razzako]

It's been one of my favorites aswell, but I'm not sure if they would do any revamping to it to be honest. If they were to, I think they would have made that the playable Mag'har's new home, but it seems that it's just a broken place that's going to continue to fall apart over time.


But I would like them to reuse it at some point

That's true, most-likely there are no plans but oh well! This brought back so many awesome memories of that zone

[KainneAbsolute]

Is Thrall John Wick? He didnt want to return until some criminals attacked him at his home...then where is his dog ? haha

[Super Dickmann]

It makes perfect sense to kill Thrall. Sylvanas know there's an underground, proto-rebellion forming. Killing one of the would be leaders is a no-brainer. If they had succeeded, no one would have known, ever. They would suspect but they could not prove.

Besides the fact that Thrall's presence ends up being irrelevant since we're told in the next patch even after he joins the rebellion that a majority support Sylvanas, there's just the question of execution. We're expected to believe that invisible, sleepless assassins were followed by an old man and that they didn't just shoot Saurfang in the head while he was asleep and then proceed to do the same thing to a Thrall who couldn't use shamanism and his family afterwards.

Set aside that it was only two guys after Sylvanas had seen Saurfang wreck a whole battalion.

[Arrashi]

So many people outraged and confused about the Rogues. What is there to be confused about?

The fact that its more heavy handed than drunkard father on a friday night.

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Is Thrall John Wick? He didnt want to return until some criminals attacked him at his home...then where is his dog ? haha

More like washed away version of max payne.

[Techno-Druid]

Loved the subtle hint of Thrall wearing alliance colors. Totally not MoP BTW

Thrall is wearing light blue, which is the color symbolic of the Frostwolf Clan, which Thrall is a part of.

[Voidwielder]

Besides the fact that Thrall's presence ends up being irrelevant since we're told in the next patch even after he joins the rebellion that a majority support Sylvanas, there's just the question of execution. We're expected to believe that invisible, sleepless assassins were followed by an old man and that they didn't just shoot Saurfang in the head while he was asleep and then proceed to do the same thing to a Thrall who couldn't use shamanism and his family afterwards.

Set aside that it was only two guys after Sylvanas had seen Saurfang wreck a whole battalion.

Most people who have seen the cinematic would not know the first part.
Their target was Thrall, killing Varok before they found out where Thrall actually is would be moronic.

Sylvanas is arrogant. Also, Rogues are overrated.

[Mehrunes]

"It looks like Blizzard saw Game of Thrones one-upping them in horseshit writing department and was all "hold my beer" to regain their rightful place."
"But why? I get the writing is shit, but why demand something impossible? You'd get better results demanding gaining omnipotence from the universe than you'd get demanding better writing from Blizzard."

Because you're soooo good at compelling arguments right

Ever heard about the concept of expressing one's opinion on something? Meanwhile your replies are nothing more than just blatant baiting. So a simple "no" would have sufficed.