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  1. #361
    Quote Originally Posted by Toho View Post
    It is the same emotional reaction millions had with their disappointment with the last season of Game of Thrones.
    Yeah it is not real but the whole purpose of these movies, games, books and etc... is designed to make you actually care for something that is not real.

    If you don't care then you are not entertained and if you are not entertained then you won't even bother watching it.
    When they make you care then they open themselves to criticism and sometimes rage or anguish for ruining what they made the viewer care about.

    You see this in every form of entertainment.
    There is a healthy and unhealthy form of caring when it comes to these kinds of things, y'know.

    Besides, WoW is not Game of Thrones. WoW goes one. Night Elves may be down now, they may be up next expac. We've seen this time and time again with other races too. You don't know. Game of Thrones ended and people were told "that's it, that's what you get". That's why people were upset.

  2. #362
    Quote Originally Posted by matrix123mko View Post
    I would rather blame Christie and all Alliance fanatics.

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    You are on drugs if you think she should be in Naz'jatar.
    I’ll blame most of the writing department. It was never Tolkien level stuff but this is almost fanfic.

    Agreed Tyrande needs stay with her people and be a leader. “Vengeance is a dish best served cold” if she waits until Sylvanas and Aszhara duke it out she can strike.

    - this probably won’t happen thiugh

  3. #363
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    Quote Originally Posted by NabyBro View Post
    There is a healthy and unhealthy form of caring when it comes to these kinds of things, y'know.

    Besides, WoW is not Game of Thrones. WoW goes one. Night Elves may be down now, they may be up next expac. We've seen this time and time again with other races too. You don't know. Game of Thrones ended and people were told "that's it, that's what you get". That's why people were upset.
    I am not going to analyze or comment what people should care about.
    The point is both of them have made people care.

    And you see the effects of it here. I am not going to pretend to have any say or judge what they are suppose to care about based on my own opinion.

  4. #364
    Quote Originally Posted by NabyBro View Post
    Night Elves may be down now, they may be up next expac. We've seen this time and time again with other races too. You don't know.
    The Night Elves have been shat on literally from vanilla going live and then for every expansion since, even until this moment. Their trajectory has been a meteoric descent since the big bang so Blizzard could make Humans the ultimate race while the NE's drown in cosmic piss with actually no real or any logical explanation, except for the reason mentioned in this sentence.

    The NE's are doomed, it is known.

  5. #365
    Quote Originally Posted by matrix123mko View Post
    I would rather blame Christie and all Alliance fanatics.
    Steve Danuser is the one that decides what makes the final cut. It's just like how when the Sylvannas warbringer video came out. Alot of idiots put the blame on Christie by sending death her threats and harassment. Yet those idiots didn't realize it was Danuser who had final say on the project. You didn't see Danuser step up and admit he was the one responsible for it. Instead like a coward he said nothing and let Christie take the flak for it. Danuser should loose his man-card.

  6. #366
    Quote Originally Posted by tripleh View Post
    Steve Danuser is the one that decides what makes the final cut. It's just like how when the Sylvannas warbringer video came out. Alot of idiots put the blame on Christie by sending death her threats and harassment. Yet those idiots didn't realize it was Danuser who had final say on the project. You didn't see Danuser step up and admit he was the one responsible for it. Instead like a coward he said nothing and let Christie take the flak for it. Danuser should loose his man-card.
    Afrasiabi is the one in charge of the story, not Danuser. Golden is the one who wrote the abysmal BTS and ToW and is responsible for some of the worst characterization the game has ever suffered under. Danuser is responsible for Warbringer and he's among those who vouched for another "Horde must find out what it is by slaughtering its cast and the alliance is here too I guess" story, but this rehabilitation of Golden is misplaced. She's still terrible, she's just not the only one who's terrible.
    Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.

  7. #367
    Quote Originally Posted by matrix123mko View Post
    You are on drugs if you think she should be in Naz'jatar.
    Not saying she should be there, just that she should have more story. She's not exactly just going to be sat around doing nothing while everything else is going on and she definitely didn't get any revenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    Afrasiabi is the one in charge of the story, not Danuser. Golden is the one who wrote the abysmal BTS and ToW and is responsible for some of the worst characterization the game has ever suffered under. Danuser is responsible for Warbringer and he's among those who vouched for another "Horde must find out what it is by slaughtering its cast and the alliance is here too I guess" story, but this rehabilitation of Golden is misplaced. She's still terrible, she's just not the only one who's terrible.
    At this point... is there anyone good?

  9. #369
    Quote Originally Posted by Toho View Post
    At this point... is there anyone good?
    Blizz likes to write easy stories, combined with the tendency to throw consistency utterly under the bus and rule of cool has to be applied, all of these are a recipe for disaster for any story.

  10. #370
    Quote Originally Posted by Toho View Post
    At this point... is there anyone good?
    Stackpole's one book is solid, probably the best WoW-related one. I've also enjoyed pretty much everything Brooks has written and is the one portrayal of the Horde I've liked this expansion.

    But they're just contract writers on side materials, the main guys are all set on this.
    Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.

  11. #371
    Quote Originally Posted by NabyBro View Post
    I don't get your über defensive stance when it comes to Night Elves. They are not real, man. Enjoy or don't enjoy the story. But don't get too attached to in-game races, it's sad.

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    Yeah, if you run out of arguments you just spew out insults. Nice talking to you. If you don't give a damn, why are you here to begin with?

  12. #372
    Quote Originally Posted by Toho View Post
    I am not going to analyze or comment what people should care about.
    The point is both of them have made people care.

    And you see the effects of it here. I am not going to pretend to have any say or judge what they are suppose to care about based on my own opinion.
    You see the problem is with your thinking, that from your perspective both me and the other guy just have opinions.
    If you were truly neutral then neither of our opinions should matter to you in the end.
    My claim that it's not a big deal should hold the same amount of "truth" as his claim that it is a big deal.
    But you are not neutral when you're taking sides. So don't bother pretending.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eggroll View Post
    Yeah, if you run out of arguments you just spew out insults. Nice talking to you. If you don't give a damn, why are you here to begin with?
    i've never run out of argument, my argument is just the same as it was the first time.
    And I don't wanna repeat myself every single time I reply to you.
    And I have never insulted no-one. I referred to the act of being attached to be sad.
    If I didn't give a damn I wouldn't have been replying here in the first place. Your arguments are non-arguments, just buzz words. I can't deal with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NabyBro View Post
    You see the problem is with your thinking, that from your perspective both me and the other guy just have opinions.
    If you were truly neutral then neither of our opinions should matter to you in the end.
    My claim that it's not a big deal should hold the same amount of "truth" as his claim that it is a big deal.
    But you are not neutral when you're taking sides. So don't bother pretending.
    All I am saying why stories make people care and neither you nor I have any justifiable reason to pass off our own opinions on other people's feelings as fact.

  14. #374
    Quote Originally Posted by Toho View Post
    All I am saying why stories make people care and neither you nor I have any justifiable reason to pass off our own opinions on other people's feelings as fact.
    Well I just hope you don't apply that logic to everything in real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NabyBro View Post
    Well I just hope you don't apply that logic to everything in real life.
    I do.
    it tends to help me in life not coming off as a vindictive asshole.

  16. #376
    Quote Originally Posted by Toho View Post
    I do.
    it tends to help me in life not coming off as a vindictive asshole.
    So by your worldview everyone can have an opinion until someone else gets offended by that opinion, from then on that opinion is wrong simply because someone couldn't take it? Gotcha.

    It's better to have your own opinions than protecting others'. Try it some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NabyBro View Post
    So by your worldview everyone can have an opinion until someone else gets offended by that opinion, from then on that opinion is wrong simply because someone couldn't take it? Gotcha.

    It's better to have your own opinions than protecting others'. Try it some time.
    I never said any of that.
    But if you want to have a debate with yourself then by all means go ahead.
    Have fun I guess.

    Far be it from me to comment on how some else choses to entertain themselves.

  18. #378
    Quote Originally Posted by NabyBro View Post
    i've never run out of argument, my argument is just the same as it was the first time.
    And I don't wanna repeat myself every single time I reply to you.
    And I have never insulted no-one. I referred to the act of being attached to be sad.
    If I didn't give a damn I wouldn't have been replying here in the first place. Your arguments are non-arguments, just buzz words. I can't deal with that.
    Well, we are still waiting for you to tell us wether you would be happy with the kind of "vengeance" the nelves got if the same happened to your favorite race. And please try to respond without derogatory comments. Thank you.

  19. #379
    Quote Originally Posted by Eggroll View Post
    Well, we are still waiting for you to tell us wether you would be happy with the kind of "vengeance" the nelves got if the same happened to your favorite race. And please try to respond without derogatory comments. Thank you.
    Yes. I already said so.

    I don't even have a favorite race btw. I have a few I don't like, the rest is okay. And I wouldn't mind some other races having some story going for them. This Tyrande stuff is tiring already, especially after Val'sharah / Suramar. I hope the next warfront in 8.3 (if there will be one) will focus on some less used races.

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