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  1. #81
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    LOL night elves are so cucked they are too obsessed with dead waifu #totallynotgarrosh2.0
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  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Thetruth1400 View Post
    Yeah, I agree. I don't mind the writing for some other characters, but they need to resolve some of the big issues, not just brush them under the table like nothing happened.


    Hell, the Nazjatar dialog goes like this:



    In other words, Teldrassil has not been resolved, even by the damn characters in game.

    All the writing for this entire expansion has been a massive cluster fuck though, so knowing Blizzard they're going to just brush the Night Elf story under the table as resolved just like they did with the Worgen and Varian's threat of "We will refocus and retake Gilneas" after SoO.
    Their answer will just be to remove that line from the finished product.

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    Tyrande kinda forgot about Teldrassil after the Darkshore warfront...

    On the ‘bright’ side, at least Blizzard’s gaze has left the poor bastards, now they’re moving on to fuck up other races.

  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Faroth View Post
    I was a fool to have been blind to human potential!


    Honestly, I'm fine with things changing and Teldrassil being burned and the night elves being decimated doesn't bother me at this point. It's what you do with those types of stories that matter.
    Spot on.. and they're choosing to do nothing meaningful or sensible or great for one of their initially best new races from WC3.

    If they actually put in the effort for the night elves to basically scatter and become something of a nomadic people and explore how this affects them, that's enough for me. This would logically push them more towards druidism and one-with-nature aspects, but that can mean a more feral culture in ways as well. Play up that trendy Thanos angle that nature keeps things in balance and that means destruction and death as much as it means creation and life.

    Make the entire race akin to the Dunedain Rangers from LotR, roaming the wilds of Azeroth, their connection to the Alliance becoming more of a loose alliance, and taking action as they see fit by the guidance of nature and Elune. Let them be something of a wild card in the Alliance, starting larger trouble from time to time when they act to do what they perceive as right. Let Tyrande or Malfurion's absence at Alliance council meetings be notable and worrying to the others.

    If you're going to take away their home, do something with that plot point rather than "they just huddle in Stormwind now."

    I guess my TLDR to Blizzard would have been "It's fine to have huge, drastic changes to the world, so long as you take the victims of the turn of events and DO SOMETHING."
    You kinda described the story of the night elves AFTER the sundering - during the long vigil period - this is what they were - post WC3, they are supposed to have ended 10,000 years of this, come out of isolation and finally for the first time in oh so long begin a restoring themselves to that destroyed great people they once were, and the life they had to leave behind. We were to see night elves hearken back to something wonderful after 10,000 years of hardship, war, genocide, sacrifice - it was a bloody , dark history, not fun, not light, for the group that did nothing wrong, who stood against Azshara and the legion, and were unwavering, who sacrificed magic and comforts of an advanced civilization to prevent the legion from returning, then gave of their immorrtlaity and health to thwart their second invasion, = they get rewarded with a second genocide - but orcs, and blood elves who do go off the rails get rewarded with rebuilding themselves (it's not that they shouldn't,, it's just that why ignore night elves. through it all.

  5. #85
    I’ve been such a verdant supporter of the theme, stories and lore in BFA, but fuck me, it was awful to read that in an interview, not even in game that Tyrande’s arc was concluded and she got hers. Night Elves are my least favorite playable race and it still felt bad.

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    Who else thinks, "It was all just a dream!" would be a viable path to go down for BfA and its entire plot? Anyone?

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    Night elves being written poorly has got nothing to do with Anduin or the human race in the lore. Human lore has in fact been absolutely trashed from the onset of WoW. Instead of memes about humans, one should specifically ask for better night elf lore. In a MMO setting like WoW's, with them being playable and everything, the night elves were always going to be less of the race they were in Warcraft III. They'd have been incompatible with the MMO setting otherwise. Out of all the elves however, their writing has been some of the most disappointing, which is - once again - largely due to the fact that they've had an amazing presentation in W3 that they can never live up to in WoW.

    I also agree with one of the people that have been interviewed saying that there's just too much lore to tell. All the Suramar, Azsuna and naga lore is directly tied to the night elves and is also night elf lore. The night elven revenge on the Horde could've been presented in a much better way and the battle for Darkshore is very underwhelming in that regard. Then again, there wasn't much Blizzard could've taken from the Horde in return after Undercity. They could've made up a lot of different victories and smaller skirmishes, but the players that are into the lore would easily see through this attempt of theirs.
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    The only acceptable revenge would be for Tyrande to kill Sylvanas in front of Nathanos, execution style, only for Genn to tear his heart out.

  9. #89
    I'm more disappointed that she won't face off against Azshara in any capacity. Tyrande and/or Malfurion should be there. Hopefully Azshara doesn't die and is just imprisoned, as dialogue seems to imply, so we can have a proper Azshara confrontation in the future.

    Also I'm not entirely sure I'd consider the "lead encounter designer" as Word of God when it comes to lore.

  10. #90
    Stupid ass writer says something that can be interpreted as "Tyrande never appears again and Teldrassil storyline is over" when she's just explaining why Tyrande isn't in Nazjatar.

    People freak out.

    Nothing else to see here.

  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    Who else thinks, "It was all just a dream!" would be a viable path to go down for BfA and its entire plot? Anyone?

    No, because love it or hate, there’s always gunna be a bad chapter, book, episode, season, movie, etc. to say the bad one wasn’t real and just a dream just adds another layer of bad. Not to mention the obvious questions, if BFA never happened why are The Zandalari Empire and Horde one thing?

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    Why are Blizzard's writers so god damn fucking awful?

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    Tyrande could've been present as an integral part of the Alliance forces there, but there's no reason to have her be the one which ultimately dukes it out with Azshara. Azshara is endangering all of the world and the acute nature of her threat to the world and those living on it doesn't give night elven history more of an influence or say over the outcome.

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    Illidan did nothing wrong.

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    Clickbait topic thread. Shame on you OP, they never said there's no more story to tell.

    Thread will still get 999999 replies because you're all dumbasses.

    Infracted.
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    Blizzard in the interview describes her character arc in positive terms, noting she "got her revenge for the Night Elves." But did she really get her revenge?

    It's not a particularly clear victory for Tyrande, as Darkshore remains a contested zone with no canonical winner, and we learned Sylvanas has the ability to raise Night Elves now. Perhaps we're meant to assume that the Horde retreated from Darkshore around the time of Dazar'alor, as Nathanos left Darkshore, but this is explicitly stated anywhere--and still leaves the Night Elves at a massive disadvantage after the Burning of Teldrassil.
    Oh god I hope not, she didn't get her revenge and it wasn't stated anywhere that the Alliance have won back The Dark Shore! I mean it makes sense, having Nathanos, the proclaimed General of the reigns conflict, leave the zone. But still it wasn't stated it wasn't show...

    "There’s just so much happening."
    And that's the PROBLEM! There's alot happening and this leaves story ignored or completely dropped off and forgotten about so they can chase the main story beats of an Expansion and that isn't a good thing, not even remotely! That is a problem because you can't detail the story, you can't flesh things out! That hurts the story and characters more then ANYTHING!
    The problem is there is so much to be told. Everyone has characters they want to expand on, but we also want to introduce new ones
    Again another problem...THEY DON'T NEED TO KEEP ADDING NEW CHARACTERS,NEW FACTIONS AND NEW GROUPS. There are tons of characters,factions and groups that can be reused, updated, changed, evolved, new goals added, new character development!

    These are problems that make the game and World surfer as a whole! This is not good things, this is not what people want! We seriously need longer Expansions at this point so they can actually continue the story instead of just leaving things off as is...its god damn annoying at this point! Its ridiculous, from Warcraft to WoW and all following expansions story has just been "left as is" and its awful especially on something so big as this singular event WAS!

    I hope they miss spoke or soemthing because god damn...this would be an awful point to leave off The Night Elves, Tyrande and Malfurion....they could've actually became likable good characters again. But again. Put on the shelf and left to get dusty! AGAIN!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    It's official, Blizzard's writers are actively competing against GoT's. This is their reply to "Dany kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet".
    And here I thought 'Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet' was a subtle jab at Blizz leaving out the Vindicaar.

    On-topic: BFA's writing is a total shitshow. That's nothing new. A tit-for-tat Warfront is considered sufficient revenge for her people nearly being wiped off the map, and Tyrande has no presence in the storyline against her oldest, most hated enemy--the very person who stirred her to become one of the leaders of the kaldorei against the Highborne. Because it would be 'too much Tyrande,' even though Horde players get the unparalleled joy of dealing with Nathanos every patch as he continues to make Warsong Hold-era Garrosh look rational, respectful, and reasonable by comparison. I suppose Nathanos is too busy tongue-polishing Sylvanas's spare boots to realize that if the hero went and got a handful of friends to gang up on him, he'd be worm food by sundown.

    But two patches of Tyrande after one quest line and a brief appearance in a patch trailer? TOO MUCH TYRANDE, SORRY GUYS.
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    This is one of the first things in along while that has honestly pissed me off about what Blizzard has said and done/ and represented in BFA.

    This is honestly ridiculous...that event was fucking HUGE and has HUGE implications...WHY DO something like that, something so big and impactful and completely WASTE IT!?!?!?!

  19. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by Thage View Post
    And here I thought 'Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet' was a subtle jab at Blizz leaving out the Vindicaar.

    On-topic: BFA's writing is a total shitshow. That's nothing new. A tit-for-tat Warfront is considered sufficient revenge for her people nearly being wiped off the map, and Tyrande has no presence in the storyline against her oldest, most hated enemy--the very person who stirred her to become one of the leaders of the kaldorei against the Highborne. Because it would be 'too much Tyrande,' even though Horde players get the unparalleled joy of dealing with Nathanos every patch as he continues to make Warsong Hold-era Garrosh look rational, respectful, and reasonable by comparison. I suppose Nathanos is too busy tongue-polishing Sylvanas's spare boots to realize that if the hero went and got a handful of friends to gang up on him, he'd be worm food by sundown.

    But two patches of Tyrande after one quest line and a brief appearance in a patch trailer? TOO MUCH TYRANDE, SORRY GUYS.
    Btw it's not a tit for tat Warfront. When the Alliance attacks after all they don't face Horde characters, they face former Alliance characters who got hit with the idiot bat.

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    Illidan did nothing wrong.
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