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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    Even in the quote you posted, it doesn't say she left.

    It says she left Maiev in charge. Which, in my opinion, is why the Horde fight Maiev INSTEAD of Tyrande.

    I had hope that it meant she'd be dealing with Azshara in the next patch.

    Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that was true, as she's NOT in the Azshara patch.

    So she's not fighting in the warfront, not fighting Azshara, not fighting Sylvanas in the war... Where the fuck is Tyrande??? She took the night warrior transformation and fucked right off?
    Did you even read that? They kill the val'kyr, and fly back to Zoram Strand to regroup. While on the way Tyrande puts Maiev in charge of the war in Darkshore. So they both leave to Zoram Strand, which is in Ashenvale btw, Maiev is put in charge, so she rallies the forces that the night elves use to reclaim Darkshore, beginning the tug of war of the warfront.

    Are you always this impatient with the story? When you're reading a book and your favorite character isn't present in the chapter are you spending the whole time angrily mentally yelling at the author "Why the fuck isn't my favorite character here, doing this thing. Why are they somewhere else, preparing to do some other thing that I'll read about in a later chapter?"

  2. #122
    lmao, called it. I said that the afterthought that was Darkshore will be all we get to see of Teldrassil and its fate, and it will hang like a stale fart for years to come.

    What's that? The Horde massacred almost the entirety of the night elf population? Heck yeah, time to get revenge by...fighting back a little?
    As far as I know the night elves didn't even canonically win the battle for Darkshore. The warfront still exists. We also don't really know a single thing about Tyrande's shitty anime transformation, or what's going on with the forsaken night elves, or...

    Yeah. Story sucks. The entire night elf part of BfA feels like a really terrible afterthought and just another excuse for some writer at Blizzard to fulfill their "night elves get shit on by the Horde" quota.
    I don't really like night elves, and I've never really cared for them honestly. But I feel really bad for anyone who ever cared about them because they've spent the entirety of WoW's history going from badass forest amazons to the Horde's whipping boys.

  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    Did you even read that? They kill the val'kyr, and fly back to Zoram Strand to regroup. While on the way Tyrande puts Maiev in charge of the war in Darkshore. So they both leave to Zoram Strand, which is in Ashenvale btw, Maiev is put in charge, so she rallies the forces that the night elves use to reclaim Darkshore, beginning the tug of war of the warfront.

    Are you always this impatient with the story? When you're reading a book and your favorite character isn't present in the chapter are you spending the whole time angrily mentally yelling at the author "Why the fuck isn't my favorite character here, doing this thing. Why are they somewhere else, preparing to do some other thing that I'll read about in a later chapter?"
    The problem here is, there is no later chapter according to the interview that's being discussed here. The book is over, no more story to be told and most people didn't actually get the vibe that there was much story to the Nightelves after being decimated and then starting their attack. Emphasis on 'starting'.

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    Is Sylvanas dead? Not since I last checked, and not on PTR so no,Tyrande didn't get "her revenge." Not that I give a shit about Tyrande getting her revenge. It's more like night elf vengeance.

  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    Did you even read that? They kill the val'kyr, and fly back to Zoram Strand to regroup. While on the way Tyrande puts Maiev in charge of the war in Darkshore. So they both leave to Zoram Strand, which is in Ashenvale btw, Maiev is put in charge, so she rallies the forces that the night elves use to reclaim Darkshore, beginning the tug of war of the warfront.
    Yes... And Tyrande goes where?

    Think real hard about this one, because she's not in 8.2, she's not in the warfront, she hasn't appeared through the rest of BfA... All of the stories which would make sense for her to be a part of, she's not present at.

    So where the fuck is she? I have every right to question this, given that all the stories she SHOULD be at, she ISN'T.

    Are you always this impatient with the story? When you're reading a book and your favorite character isn't present in the chapter are you spending the whole time angrily mentally yelling at the author "Why the fuck isn't my favorite character here, doing this thing. Why are they somewhere else, preparing to do some other thing that I'll read about in a later chapter?"
    Because unlike reading a book, where I know I will see that character again, this is Warcraft.

    Blizzard is known to use a character for one thing, then never return to it. Remember when Varian taught Tyrande patience, and the backlash that came with that? (Understandably so, because why the fuck is a less-than-50-year-old-human lecturing a 10,000+ year old leader?) Remember when Blizzard taught the Horde the lessons of Pandaria, that we will always be stronger together than we are apart?

    Tyrande got her moment. Now the writers are tired of the INSANE amounts of "Night Elf Lore" they gave in this expansion, and it's time to return to good old Human Potential - Because it makes SO MUCH MORE SENSE for the humans and undead to go deal with the FORMER LEADER OF THE NIGHT ELVES! Of course! /s
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  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    Yes... And Tyrande goes where?

    Think real hard about this one, because she's not in 8.2, she's not in the warfront, she hasn't appeared through the rest of BfA... All of the stories which would make sense for her to be a part of, she's not present at.

    So where the fuck is she? I have every right to question this, given that all the stories she SHOULD be at, she ISN'T.



    Because unlike reading a book, where I know I will see that character again, this is Warcraft.

    Blizzard is known to use a character for one thing, then never return to it. Remember when Varian taught Tyrande patience, and the backlash that came with that? (Understandably so, because why the fuck is a less-than-50-year-old-human lecturing a 10,000+ year old leader?) Remember when Blizzard taught the Horde the lessons of Pandaria, that we will always be stronger together than we are apart?

    Tyrande got her moment. Now the writers are tired of the INSANE amounts of "Night Elf Lore" they gave in this expansion, and it's time to return to good old Human Potential - Because it makes SO MUCH MORE SENSE for the humans and undead to go deal with the FORMER LEADER OF THE NIGHT ELVES! Of course! /s
    All you've done is doubled down on what I said. "My favorite character isn't present where I want her to be, therefore the story is bad. Who cares what they have planned for her to do in the future. She's not in the story doing what I think she should be doing therefore bad."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    Yes... And Tyrande goes where?

    Think real hard about this one, because she's not in 8.2, she's not in the warfront, she hasn't appeared through the rest of BfA... All of the stories which would make sense for her to be a part of, she's not present at.

    So where the fuck is she? I have every right to question this, given that all the stories she SHOULD be at, she ISN'T.



    Because unlike reading a book, where I know I will see that character again, this is Warcraft.

    Blizzard is known to use a character for one thing, then never return to it. Remember when Varian taught Tyrande patience, and the backlash that came with that? (Understandably so, because why the fuck is a less-than-50-year-old-human lecturing a 10,000+ year old leader?) Remember when Blizzard taught the Horde the lessons of Pandaria, that we will always be stronger together than we are apart?

    Tyrande got her moment. Now the writers are tired of the INSANE amounts of "Night Elf Lore" they gave in this expansion, and it's time to return to good old Human Potential - Because it makes SO MUCH MORE SENSE for the humans and undead to go deal with the FORMER LEADER OF THE NIGHT ELVES! Of course! /s
    We don't know where she goes, because we haven't gotten to that part of the story yet. That's not bad, but you're treating it like it is.

    I remember the patience thing. Tyrande has always had a problem with charging ahead without thinking. Remember when she killed people on her own side against Malfurion's orders to free Illidan? I remember her in WC3. Her character reveal quote was "No one but Elune may deny ME anything." Varian, on the other hand, learned the hard work in the gladiator arena and thereafter how badly that can screw you up. And yet people see "human teaches 10,000 year old something lol" and stop thinking.

    Also, the lesson of Pandaria wasn't that the two were stronger together. It was that they became stronger because they were always competing. A one world government juggernaut (which was what Wrathion was going for) would be less effective than two groups honed to a razor's edge from fighting one another.

    Wow, dude. You are seriously jaded. You actually seem to believe that the Blizz writers sit around the table twirling their moustaches plotting with each other "What new way can we destroy the night elves to make humans look better. The naga are a problem for everyone, and with Darkshore going on it makes sense that they don't have the manpower to devote to a large-scale invasion of Nazjatar. I'm sure we'll see Tyrande soon enough. Not seeing her right now doesn't preclude her from appearing later.

  7. #127
    I think the Activision lay offs didn't hit the people deserved to be kicked out sadly. This only shows how bad and stupid the narrative team is. They don't know their own lore, and i'm not talking about some hidden specific character from long ago. They didn't know even what they did a few months ago with some major characters, it's just pieces of nonsense one after another. The worst part is we are mid expansion cicle, worse things are coming for sure.

  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    i really hope danuser is fired eventually.

    and whoever thought trying to copy capeshit movie plot design was a good idea.
    I Agree and I'd also like to add that hopefully no other mmo's or game companies will hire either of them. Wouldn't want another game going threw the same crap as wow. #layoffstevedanuser #layofalexafrasiabi

  9. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Hubbl3 View Post
    This is laughable. GG Blizz.
    The funny thing is that it is canon because "a dev said it". I really wish people would stop listening to these people when they talk out of their ass be it WC devs or even the Russo brothers making the story worse trying to explain it afterwards(Cap supposedly lived his life in ANOTHER timeline after returning the stones yet somehow got back to Falcon to give him the shield??? Try Cap was always meant to live there and there's no evidence there wasn't an older version living alongside Peggy throughout the years thus it's the same timeline.) I can't stand the destruction these people do to their own work by stating nonsense. Thank god Metzen is gone though. He was the worst with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    Even in the quote you posted, it doesn't say she left.

    It says she left Maiev in charge. Which, in my opinion, is why the Horde fight Maiev INSTEAD of Tyrande.

    I had hope that it meant she'd be dealing with Azshara in the next patch.

    Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that was true, as she's NOT in the Azshara patch.

    So she's not fighting in the warfront, not fighting Azshara, not fighting Sylvanas in the war... Where the fuck is Tyrande??? She took the night warrior transformation and fucked right off?
    It's just as bad as Legion with some people not around for pivotal characters they had history with like neither of them seeing Illidan even though they KNOW he's there. There's no way they wouldn't have come. Now Azshara rears her tentacled head and the two are going to sit this one out too? Granted I don't think Tyrande should be pivotal in the battle, but at least an interaction face to face or even helping in the raid.

  10. #130
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    Quote Originally Posted by EbaumsTipster View Post
    Stupid ass writer says something that can be interpreted as "Tyrande never appears again and Teldrassil storyline is over" when she's just explaining why Tyrande isn't in Nazjatar.

    People freak out.

    Nothing else to see here.
    Blizzard appologist trys to scold all people with commons sense for having said common sense, nothing new.

    Nothing to see here move along.

  11. #131
    No, there was no revenge. She may have pushed the forsaken out of Darkshore, but the one responsible is still out an about.

  12. #132
    All the bad writing and blizz is still gonna push out books to sell. Won't be worth getting after all the garbage in BFA.

  13. #133
    This is what happens when you overuse faction conflict. If BFA was going to be about a fraction war, make it about the war. If it it's about Azshara and the Old Gods, then the whole faction war and burning of Teldrassil is a waste. Night Elves should have been front and center in this Xpac

  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    All you've done is doubled down on what I said. "My favorite character isn't present where I want her to be, therefore the story is bad. Who cares what they have planned for her to do in the future. She's not in the story doing what I think she should be doing therefore bad."

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    We don't know where she goes, because we haven't gotten to that part of the story yet. That's not bad, but you're treating it like it is.

    I remember the patience thing. Tyrande has always had a problem with charging ahead without thinking. Remember when she killed people on her own side against Malfurion's orders to free Illidan? I remember her in WC3. Her character reveal quote was "No one but Elune may deny ME anything." Varian, on the other hand, learned the hard work in the gladiator arena and thereafter how badly that can screw you up. And yet people see "human teaches 10,000 year old something lol" and stop thinking.

    Also, the lesson of Pandaria wasn't that the two were stronger together. It was that they became stronger because they were always competing. A one world government juggernaut (which was what Wrathion was going for) would be less effective than two groups honed to a razor's edge from fighting one another.

    Wow, dude. You are seriously jaded. You actually seem to believe that the Blizz writers sit around the table twirling their moustaches plotting with each other "What new way can we destroy the night elves to make humans look better. The naga are a problem for everyone, and with Darkshore going on it makes sense that they don't have the manpower to devote to a large-scale invasion of Nazjatar. I'm sure we'll see Tyrande soon enough. Not seeing her right now doesn't preclude her from appearing later.
    And you, sir, are seriously blind to the past.

    Side note: If you think Tyrande is my favorite character you haven't looked at my complaints about her characterization lately.

    Blizzard NEVER brings these things back up, and yes, not seeing her right now when we're dealing with Azshara, means we will never see her deal with Azshara. We will never get the end that story deserved, because "We feel the Night Elves got their revenge."

    Except, they didn't accomplish anything.

    So what revenge did they get, exactly, for losing their home? And in return, they're written out of the stories which SHOULD be theirs - Because it's too busy being Human Potentialed.

    I don't think they're twirling their pencils planning for it. That's precisely the problem. They're not planning anything. They're picking their favorite characters and using them. JUST them. No one else. Everyone else is a waste to them, to further the potential of their favorites.

    They decided on this years ago, before my input could have ever been received. So all I can do is tell them they fucked it up, because they're most definitely not changing it now.

    And here's a thought experiment for you: How many non-human races got some story in each expansion? I say non-human, because since Wrath, Humans have ALWAYS gotten lore - We don't need to know when they get lore, they ALWAYS get lore or story given to their characters. Try to list out each race that got lore or a story spotlight in each expansion. Then you should EASILY see my problem with Humans getting all of the lore every expansion.
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  15. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    You said Darkshore scenario. If you're not talking about the warfront what are you? She was there in the questline.
    I'm talking about the, as I call it, "Mascara Scenario", the Nightwarrior bullshit. There Blizz devs took a random player model and slapped "Tyrande" on it, while Saurfang gets his 2nd CGI cinematic. In other words, the orcs get all the effort of Blizzards devs while nelfs get none.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    I feel for night elf players here, really I do. Blizzard really did fuck them beyond repair and this isn't even the climax.
    Fuck the Nelfs..

    The entire Horde have been fucked sideways since Warcraft 1..

    Stupid Blizzard always favours Alliance, and once alliance stub their toes, the fanbois feels offended..
    Fact (because I say so): TBC > Cata > Legion > MoP > BfA > WoD = WotLK

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  17. #137
    Oh blizz, how can you try to push that narrative with a straight face. But got to have humans always on the forefront.

  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by FuxieDK View Post
    Fuck the Nelfs..

    The entire Horde have been fucked sideways since Warcraft 1..

    Stupid Blizzard always favours Alliance, and once alliance stub their toes, the fanbois feels offended..
    Sooo, you had a racial capital burned and all their citizens murdered by the Alliance? When did that happen? Must have missed it...

  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Skytotem View Post
    Blizz honestly believes that Darkshore was 'revenge' for Teldrassil

    https://www.wowhead.com/news=291733/...-with-blizzard





    And as wowhead's Perculia says
    In short - those "writers" shouldn't ever be taught how to write. I thought burning of Teldrassil was written in a stupid way, I thought that NIGHT WARRIOR crap was written in even more stupid and edgy manner,but this...this trumps it all. Blizzard officially announces,that they don't give a shit about the night elves and they are a target dummy for the faction,consisting of the majority of World of Warcraft subscribers - so,everything in clients interests. I'm glad I unsubbed,not a single eurocent to a scumbag,who thinks,that every other Blizzard game should be made in the same manner as an idiotic "Candy Crush" shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuxieDK View Post
    Fuck the Nelfs..

    The entire Horde have been fucked sideways since Warcraft 1..

    Stupid Blizzard always favours Alliance, and once alliance stub their toes, the fanbois feels offended..
    "I pay the money for this "game",because my faction always wins" - at least you win in something in your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggroll View Post
    Sooo, you had a racial capital burned and all their citizens murdered by the Alliance? When did that happen? Must have missed it...
    It's a fekking tree..
    Trees are used a lumber or firewood.. Get over it.

    All trees are hosts to a myriad of pests; birds, ants, larvae......And some even elves who should have known better than to climb up a tree and call it home.

    Horde have had capitals invaded THREE TIMES, Alliance zero times.
    Horde have lost a capital, Alliance lost a tree
    Horde have lost 3 Faction leaders (2 dead, 1 retired) and 3 race leader, Alliance have lost 1 faction leader
    Horde have one settlement erased from existence, in a totally unprovoked attack, Alliance have lost ZERO in unprovoked attacks.

    Can you honestly say, Alliance isn't openly favored by Blizzard?
    Fact (because I say so): TBC > Cata > Legion > MoP > BfA > WoD = WotLK

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