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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by FuxieDK View Post
    It's a fekking tree..
    Trees are used a lumber or firewood.. Get over it.

    All trees are hosts to a myriad of pests; birds, ants, larvae......And some even elves who should have known better than to climb up a tree and call it home.

    Horde have had capitals invaded THREE TIMES, Alliance zero times.
    Horde have lost a capital, Alliance lost a tree
    Horde have lost 3 Faction leaders (2 dead, 1 retired) and 3 race leader, Alliance have lost 1 faction leader
    Horde have one settlement erased from existence, in a totally unprovoked attack, Alliance have lost ZERO in unprovoked attacks.

    Can you honestly say, Alliance isn't openly favored by Blizzard?
    Uh what three invasions are you talking about?

    Alliance had Theramoore bombed :P
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  2. #142
    Personally i think most of the complaints about the story in Nazjatar can be summed up in Blizzards reply to where Battlemaiden Nar'jira is. (For those who don't know, the central character in a lengthy Vashj'ir questline where we see her ascension from grunt to Azshara's personal guard)

    I am slightly paraphrasing here, but the reply went something like "We realized we did not have time to write the Battlemaiden into the story, instead we hope you enjoy these new characters"

    Which to me told me everything i needed to know, because forgetting about her is one thing, but then when they are confronted about it, they don't own up to their mistake, they try to deflect it with a meaningless argument. New characters be design have no expectations added to them, so changing them around does nothing.
    A simple fix for instance would have been to change the first boss in The Eternal Palace to Nar'jira, and just give a quick explanation that she didnt use magic in her quests for reasons, and that she got a new form as a reward since we last saw her.
    Doing this nothing would have changed in the story, but for those of us who longed for a return to this plotline, it would have made all the difference.


    Similarly, making the Alliance characters in Nazjatar Jaina and Genn can be seen through the same lens. Blizz could have had other elves there, i don't even necessarily need Tyrande or Malfurion. They could have at least had Umbric there, just to give somewhat of a point to Alliance being htere at all.
    Blizzard clearly intended Nazjatar to be a microcosm of BfA, where Alliance and Horde work together against a common evil, the Horde leaders being Lor'themar and Thalyssra shows this, they both have a history with Azshara and a reason to set aside their differences for the greater good, Jaina adds nothing to this.

    Even if Blizz wanted to convince us that Night elves already got their revenge, just have Tyrande and Malfurion there, that would give somewhat of a firm grounding in the belief that they have mostly "Gotten over it" And would allow the unified front story to work more naturally.

    Tl:dr: Tyrande and Malfurion should have been in Nazjatar because their story is so closely tied to the place. Having Jaina and Genn there adds nothing except the anger of them being pointless.

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Even if Blizz wanted to convince us that Night elves already got their revenge, just have Tyrande and Malfurion there, that would give somewhat of a firm grounding in the belief that they have mostly "Gotten over it" And would allow the unified front story to work more naturally.
    But... Jaina even says during Naz'jatar that vengance for Teldrassil needs to happen.

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    I unsubbed a few months ago because I'm hating the direction Blizzard has taken the Horde and specifically Sylvanas this expansion. This treatment of the Night Elves isn't something Alliance players should be surprised about. It doesn't fit into the whole "Horde is your typical comic villain" them they have going this expansion.

  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Hellspawn View Post
    But... Jaina even says during Naz'jatar that vengance for Teldrassil needs to happen.
    Now you know where this story line is going to go, absolutely nowhere as was expected to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skytotem View Post
    Uh what three invasions are you talking about?

    Alliance had Theramoore bombed :P
    Orgrimmar, Undercity and Dazar'alor..

    Theramore was not an unprovoked attack, it was:
    1: A valid military target
    2: A weeks notice was given to get civilians out.
    3: Exposure of a self-proclaimed neutral city that aided Alliance.
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  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by FuxieDK View Post
    Orgrimmar, Undercity and Dazar'alor..

    Theramore was not an unprovoked attack, it was:
    1: A valid military target
    2: A weeks notice was given to get civilians out.
    3: Exposure of a self-proclaimed neutral city that aided Alliance.
    False comparison. These cities were never nuked by the Alliance. Stop being dishonest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuxieDK View Post
    Orgrimmar, Undercity and Dazar'alor..
    Orgrimmar was a joint assault in a Horde civil war. The city was also largely untouched, no looting, pillaging, burning, nothing. It's in perfect shape in the next expansion. If anything, it was liberation.
    First Undercity invasion was a joint assault by both factions after Putress attacked them at the Wrathgate. Second was a response to Teldrassil burning and Sylvanas destroyed it herself.
    Dazar'alor is not a Horde city at the point of the attack.
    Theramore was not an unprovoked attack, it was:
    1: A valid military target
    2: A weeks notice was given to get civilians out.
    3: Exposure of a self-proclaimed neutral city that aided Alliance.
    We see Theramore civilians being prisoners during Siege of Orgrimmar, so all that "they got time to escape" is largely bullshit. Garrosh didn't care at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurojust View Post
    False comparison. These cities were never nuked by the Alliance. Stop being dishonest.
    I said 3 capitals invaded, not nuked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaPe View Post
    Orgrimmar was a joint assault in a Horde civil war. The city was also largely untouched, no looting, pillaging, burning, nothing. It's in perfect shape in the next expansion. If anything, it was liberation.
    First Undercity invasion was a joint assault by both factions after Putress attacked them at the Wrathgate. Second was a response to Teldrassil burning and Sylvanas destroyed it herself.
    Dazar'alor is not a Horde city.
    We see Theramore civilians being prisoners during Siege of Orgrimmar, so all that "they got time to escape" is largely bullshit. Garrosh didn't care at all.
    There was nothing "joint" about Orgrimmar.

    Horde wanted to keep it an internal matter, which is reflected in the title (Liberator) you get when you complete the raid.
    Alliance wanted to sack Orgrimmar, and gets a completely different title (Conqueror).They had no business in Orgrimmar, and it was wrong to let Varian and Jaina leave alive.

    I'm NOT talk g about Wrathgate.. I'm talking about BfA!

    Dazar'alor IS a Horde Capital. Zandalari joined the Horde before Alliance invaded it.
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  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by FuxieDK View Post
    Dazar'alor IS a Horde Capital. Zandalari joined the Horde before Alliance invaded it.
    No they did not. Ironically, it was Rastakhan who really did not think much of the Horde. And if you check your lore, even Talanji after BOD does NOT join the Horde. This is the important part:
    Sylvanas: She thinks to summon me? Hmph. I suppose she is allowed some posturing today.
    Talanji: De Horde has been a trustworthy ally to Zandalar.
    Talanji: Without our partnership, we may not have overcome de threats dat rose against us.
    Talanji: I understand dat you have need of our forces. De Alliance will stop at nothing to destroy you.
    Talanji: So let it be official. De Zandalari and de Horde will stand together... as equals.
    Sylvanas: Equals?
    I am de queen of Zandalar. And a queen kneels to no one. Surely, you understand.
    Sylvanas: I see... Very well, Queen Talanji. The Horde welcomes you.
    So no, the Zandalari most definetly were NOT part of the Horde before BOD and they are not part of it now. They are in an ALLIANCE with the Horde. Whether you like that or not is not important. There are no two ways to read this.
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  11. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathasil View Post
    No they did not. Ironically, it was Rastakhan who really did not think much of the Horde. And if you check your lore, even Talanji after BOD does NOT join the Horde. This is the important part:


    So no, the Zandalari most definetly were NOT part of the Horde before BOD and they are not part of it now. They are in an ALLIANCE with the Horde. Whether you like that or not is not important. There are no two ways to read this.
    Adding to that, the Alliance gets their orders to attack the city to prevent the Zandalari from joining the Horde. You may think of that plan what you will (I think it's not the smartest move), but it implies the Alliance knows the Zandalari are not yet part of the Horde.

  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by FuxieDK View Post
    Orgrimmar, Undercity and Dazar'alor..

    Theramore was not an unprovoked attack, it was:
    1: A valid military target
    2: A weeks notice was given to get civilians out.
    3: Exposure of a self-proclaimed neutral city that aided Alliance.
    Orgrimmar is also a valid military target, so I guess Jaina should've drowned it like she wanted to.

    Oh, and those civilians that supposedly escaped? Garrosh hunted them down, took them to Orgrimmar and used them as training dummies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Orgrimmar is also a valid military target, so I guess Jaina should've drowned it like she wanted to.

    Oh, and those civilians that supposedly escaped? Garrosh hunted them down, took them to Orgrimmar and used them as training dummies.
    It was Malkorock or however it’s spelled captured them and gifted them to Garrosh iirc, garrosh himself didn’t go after them, not that it makes it any better.
    Quote Originally Posted by WoWKnight65 View Post
    That's same excuse from you and so many others on this website and your right some of threads do bully high elf fans to a point where they might end up losing their minds to a point of a mass shooting.
    Holy shit lol

  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    It was Malkorock or however it’s spelled captured them and gifted them to Garrosh iirc, garrosh himself didn’t go after them, not that it makes it any better.
    Yeah, I don't really recall the specifics, because honestly- is it even worth it anymore? Just that even those that escaped were captured and tortured, which is, as far as I know, the reason Jaina went full "DISMANTLE" again at the end of SoO.

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Orgrimmar is also a valid military target, so I guess Jaina should've drowned it like she wanted to.

    Oh, and those civilians that supposedly escaped? Garrosh hunted them down, took them to Orgrimmar and used them as training dummies.
    Also, to be fair:

    The warning was given by Baine, who went against Garrosh's orders to do it. It was not given by the horde leader orchestrating the attack.

    Also, I don't know where they get 'self-proclaimed neutra' Jaina and by extension Theramore were pro peace with the horde but they were ALWAYS ALLIANCE. There was no point where Theramore was neutral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright-Flower View Post
    Also, to be fair:

    The warning was given by Baine, who went against Garrosh's orders to do it. It was not given by the horde leader orchestrating the attack.

    Also, I don't know where they get 'self-proclaimed neutra' Jaina and by extension Theramore were pro peace with the horde but they were ALWAYS ALLIANCE. There was no point where Theramore was neutral.
    Jaina also admits they are a target in tides of war and asks the Kirin tor to help maintain neutrality by helping her capture Garrosh, basically the writer doesn’t know how to use the term neutral.
    Quote Originally Posted by WoWKnight65 View Post
    That's same excuse from you and so many others on this website and your right some of threads do bully high elf fans to a point where they might end up losing their minds to a point of a mass shooting.
    Holy shit lol

  17. #157
    Kinda silly that Tyrande isn't in Nazjatar to deal with Queen Aszhara. I took that as a given. I mean Shandris herself got just as much screentime as Tyrande this expansion. She is all over the war campaign for example. I mean Tyrande isn't even in the Darkshore Warfront :P

    It's fine and all that Tyrande had her questline, but that's really it isn't it. I just don't think the "modern" devs like Tyrande that much. Such becomes the same with the player base. It would be nice with old school Tyrande again, but that won't happen.
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  18. #158
    zzz in ten characters basically


    However, I echo the statement that less screentime we get, the smaller the chance Blizzard will fuck it up. Can't help but to believe that they'll take a massive dump on Azshara, though. If it's just human and orcs vs Naga, I'll be very disappointed. Night Elves are such a major area for Naga lore, it's mindboggling to think they'll focus less so on Tyrande and more on Anduin or whoever for Alliance.

    Also, I pray Darkshore/Night Elven chapter isn't closed there by now. Darkshore is unusable for roleplay right now. I'm fine with it being contested, but at least give a zone that doesn't change to reflect the resolution of the warfront. But hey, fuck nelves right?

  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by Maljinwo View Post
    Well Night Elf players, hope you've got money for a race change
    Would be really hilarious if someone actually race changes because of stuff like this.

  20. #160
    I have to admit, it has been garbage storytelling at times this expansion. Feels to me they've got so much they wanted to tell they end up half telling everybody's story, be better if they at least focused on a few stories because the loose ends is such a shame. At the start i was super hype to see Tyrande and the night elf stuff, and it felt like "battle for azeroth". But now its just so... meh. Disappointed, and I'm usually quite positive about this stuff. Hope they get to finish some storylines off before the end of the expansion.
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