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  1. #41
    It is true. Sure, she might be undead and an elf, but she's giving the Horde what Thrall took from them and that's being brutal and unhinged when it comes to the enemies of the Horde. Garrosh tried to provide the same leading figure through himself and Sylvanas is no different, but she has far more personal goals and objectives behind what she does and while she temporarily provides some of the Horde with what they've desired, their interests and well-being is not her priority.

  2. #42
    "She’s the one who can unite the Horde in ways it’s never been before. You can see how people would want that. They might think, “I would like to know peace, please. Sylvanas will get us there.” The people know what Baine and Saurfang and Thrall lead to -- it’s just the same conflict they've seen."

    What in the flying fuck are they...

    WHAT?!

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by ArgusTheUnmaker View Post
    "She’s the one who can unite the Horde in ways it’s never been before. You can see how people would want that. They might think, “I would like to know peace, please. Sylvanas will get us there.” The people know what Baine and Saurfang and Thrall lead to -- it’s just the same conflict they've seen."

    What in the flying fuck are they...

    WHAT?!
    NPCs, not player characters or the people behind the keyboard, believe this ideal. It has been stated ingame that Sylvanas appeals to NPCs that the player characters/lore figures cannot control.

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    Sylvanas is bringing peace and Baine/Thrall conflict ????

    LULWUT ??? Are they even aware of the garbage ass pulled tree burning they pulled ???

    Azeroth factions were at peace at the end of Legion. Sylvanas is the sole reason of this retarded war because "muh blue V red"
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    #KillAllAlliance

    Stormwind = Kings Landing

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by EbaumsTipster View Post
    NPCs, not player characters or the people behind the keyboard, believe this ideal. It has been stated ingame that Sylvanas appeals to NPCs that the player characters/lore figures cannot control.
    You missed the entire point of my post. The entire point of Thrall's horde was to be peaceful, different from the Old savage Horde. And, prior to Garrosh, they were succeeding. The Alliance and the Horde teamed up against a lot of shit during Classic, they fought for a bit but then teamed up again in TBC, and during Wrath, despite the growing conflict, the Horde and the Alliance were on equal terms with each-other in the end and managed to destroy the Lich King. This was the closest they ever went to towards peace, and it was working. Hell, in the WoW Comic, you see Thrall and co attempt to make peace negotiations with the Alliance.

    So, I don't see why NPC's from the cities and co would think Sylvanas far better than Thrall and the others, when in reality she's always been the shadiest Horde bitch in the seven seas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I mean it's simple. They are saying that there is a majority among the Horde that think the best solution is the genocide or enslavement of the Alliance races. Pretty much.
    The Burning Legion was right all along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    Sylvanas is bringing peace and Baine/Thrall conflict ????

    LULWUT ??? Are they even aware of the garbage ass pulled tree burning they pulled ???

    Azeroth factions were at peace at the end of Legion. Sylvanas is the sole reason of this retarded war because "muh blue V red"
    You could blame Sargeras for the beginning of the war since he stabbed Azeroth to begin with.

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    Taking down Stormwind is starting to sound a lot more plausible, and I'm here for it. Ohhh it'd be so delicious. If that's the last thing she does before they retire her, I'll accept this dogshit of an expansion just a tiny bit more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shampro View Post
    Taking down Stormwind is starting to sound a lot more plausible, and I'm here for it. Ohhh it'd be so delicious. If that's the last thing she does before they retire her, I'll accept this dogshit of an expansion just a tiny bit more.
    I'm thinking its Silvermoon that she attacks, and the reaction will be hilarious.

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    So their argument is "Sure, Sylvanas is an egomaniac willingly killing Horde troops en masse with Blight, but she's different so that makes it good!"? By that logic, the Horde would get behind a grilled cheese sandwich as Warchief. Not only is that extremely condescending to the average Horde citizen's intelligence (suggesting they're all gullible rock-stupid hillbilly retards easily swayed by the promise of different, shiny things), this constant attempt at playing coy with her motives when she's spelled out her motives feels like a 300-pound girl tee-heeing when she tries to squeeze into a size 0 dress and shreds it in the process. You're not being cute, you're being a jackass.
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  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Broken Fox View Post
    They really cant get over this "honorable Horde" bullshit

    MY GUY IS A FUCKIN ZOMBIE MAN JUST LET US BE THE BAD GUYS
    I agree.

    Man, I remember when Sylv was first made Warchief at the start of Legion, I felt that Blizz putting her there would ruin the Horde. I felt they were forcing a character in a role she wasn't fit for just for the sake of being the most popular female Horde character. Seeing things play out now, it was far worse than I assumed then. She also happened to ruin the Forsaken as a faction, as well. Forsaken is awesome for being the bad boys of the Horde, not the "honorable" ones. Sylvanas was awesome for playing the parts she did within the Horde, away from the Horde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EbaumsTipster View Post
    I'm thinking its Silvermoon that she attacks, and the reaction will be hilarious.
    Nah, no use for it. Stormwind has been noted to be a goal since BtS, ahhhh I hope it happens.

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Shampro View Post
    Taking down Stormwind is starting to sound a lot more plausible, and I'm here for it. Ohhh it'd be so delicious. If that's the last thing she does before they retire her, I'll accept this dogshit of an expansion just a tiny bit more.
    It sounds plausible because the writers decided "the vindicaar isn't a part of the story they wanted to tell". The army of the light brought down the legion on their home world (the horde wasn't a part of it). How the hell are we the Horde supposed to defeat the Galactic Hero Association? Everything we "accomplished" in 8.0 was undone in 8.1 and we are in a worse position than we started the expansion in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    It sounds plausible because the writers decided "the vindicaar isn't a part of the story they wanted to tell".
    Afrasiabi also teased the Goblins shooting the canon in Bilgewater Harbor soon, back at Blizzcon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shampro View Post
    Afrasiabi also teased the Goblins shooting the canon in Bilgewater Harbor soon, back at Blizzcon.
    LOL.. I bet Blizzard regrets putting such a powerful object in the game that was probably supposed to just be a meme and forgotten. "God damn it... Fucking Brian.. why did that intern have to insert that nuclear device in our lore?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heldenmaid View Post
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    Morgan: “Put yourself in the shoes of someone in the Horde. They’ve known nothing but conflict for over 20 years. They believe that Sylvanas is the person who will bring an end to this. She’s the one who can unite the Horde in ways it’s never been before. You can see how people would want that. They might think, “I would like to know peace, please. Sylvanas will get us there.” The people know what Baine and Saurfang and Thrall lead to -- it’s just the same conflict they’ve seen. Sylvanas is bringing something no one’s ever brought before. So it’s interesting to see different sides of that. She has a plan.”

    Based on this, I speculate she will do some "Peace through mind control" by supporting an old god who then enslaves everyone and basically ends the conflict... ( and maybe call this morally grey)

    Similar to uchiha madaras eternal tsukuyomi plan in naruto...



    Such a plot would neither be new, nor interesting nor redeeming her in any way...


    Another possible twist is that azerite's true purpose is some sort of corruption, and she was trying to stop it without telling anyone and just pretending to be a bitch...


    lol
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  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Nah Sylvanas IS bringing something new. The potential for the complete genocide of the Alliance. THIS is the outcome the Horde races are cheering for. All the Alliance races destroyed or enslaved.
    So....like... the LITERAL EXACT SAME THING Garrosh tried for? Yeah.... "new"!!! Oh, but she has boobs... so its different gaiz.. totally...

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    Funny how they still think they can surprise anyone with this ultra crap story centred around the pseudo intelligent goth elf when everyone is just rolling their eyes whenever another "puzzle piece" *cough* is being leaked or shown by blizzard.
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  18. #58
    Posts cinematic about two main characters of the horde talking about stopping Sylvanas (remember how other faction leaders were talking about raising up against Garrosh?), Sylvanas sends two assassins to kill them (Vol'jin, hello?).
    Claims this is not Garrosh 2.0.
    Not doing a good job there on that one, Blizz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Nah Sylvanas IS bringing something new. The potential for the complete genocide of the Alliance. THIS is the outcome the Horde races are cheering for. All the Alliance races destroyed or enslaved.
    OMFG lol.

    Did you even Siege of Ogrimmar'ed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgusTheUnmaker View Post
    You could blame Sargeras for the beginning of the war since he stabbed Azeroth to begin with.
    I actually blame absolute garbage Blizz writing. But stabbed Azeroth didn't started the war. Sylvanas did. Alliance and Horde could work at healing Azeroth. By working together or even separately with suspicion. But randomly going "muh lets burn the tree for reasons" was purely a "gamification of the lore" stupid decision, it just made no sense for all the horde to follow Sylvanas in this direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWay View Post
    I am not sure how many times they have to tell you (or rub it in your face) that she is not Garrosh 2.0. Also read well that part what Morgan says.
    At the very least Blizzard is massively failing in the "show, don't tell" department here. Or they're just bullshitting people, just like they did with Teldrassil.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    It was a hot load of garbage when they claimed that the Horde didn't feel Thrall was a good ruler. Under Thrall, most of the Horde was happy, and yes, while small skirmishes DID happen, Thrall constantly worked towards peace.
    Thrall's rule was a disaster of Alliance appeasement, green guilt and very little action in regards to Horde's issues (the last one is somewhat caused by Blizzard not really doing much with racial leaders prior to WotLK, but still).


    Quote Originally Posted by formerShandalay View Post
    Yea, after 'the death of all things' and 'the end of all possibilities' there will be peace for sure
    Why should anyone take Void's bullshit seriously?
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    Does the CIA pay you for your bullshit or are you just bootlicking in your free time?
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