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  1. #161
    Shit, the entirety of Legion was focused on the Alliance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChampionChains View Post
    Shit, the entirety of Legion was focused on the Alliance.
    And look just how many fully cgi Alliance themed cinematics there were. Hint - not many.

  3. #163
    As i have said before, the problem with Saurfang getting loads of cinematics is not really taht they are horde-focused. Sometimes an expansions story needs to focus on some aspects of the story that are more important to some races, and by proxy, a singular faction.
    Legion is a good example of that. there were 2 races that needed closure for the Legion storyline, and it just so happened that both were Alliance, in that respect i can understand why they made both HM Tauren and Nightborne Horde, they needed to give a connection to Horde to not make the expansion entirely Alliance centric.
    Similarly, WoD were mostly about Horde, because the expansion were about orcs, and Horde is the orc faction.

    However, the Saurfang cinematics could easily include both Alliance and Horde. someone mentioned how Saurfang is going to be important to both Alliance and Horde in the end, but it really does not feel that way. The first Saurfang cinematic was released with the description of how they wanted to soothe the Hordes bruised ego after they destroyed Teldrassil and looked like the villains.

    The second at least showed Anduin in it, but it talked mostly about Horde, and their problems, i suppose Anduin was considered too much Aliance for Blizz though, because for this one Horde got an extra questline in addition to further flesh out the cinematic, a questline the Alliance could easily have gotten a variant on as well.

    Now the third one is blatantly all about the Horde, It has Horde characters talking to Horde characters about Horde problems, only being stopped when Horde characters show up to further the Horde agenda.


    You would not think that Asking for at least a questline that is a copypaste of the one Horde got is too much, but i guess it is.

    Hopefully the expansion is going to be slightly more balanced by the end, though i doubt it. First, as i mentioned, there was Horde getting a cinematic to soothe their ego after they had attacked the opposing faction, while those they attacked got some offhand mentions of how this was the biggest catastrophe in their recorded history.
    Then there was the devsd coming out and saying how Tyrande got her revenge by taking back some of her homeland, and that is why they are going to leave her out of a story that is blatantly where her story has been headed for decades.

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    To illsutrate my above point with Tyrande, imagine if Velen was not present on Argus in Legion because he had too much exposure in 7.2, and instead it was focused on gnomes and goblins.

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    Or, to make a point about how Legion as at least done slightly better in the faction bias, imagine if Alliance did not have quests in Highmountain because it was technically Horde, or if Horde did not have quests in Val'sharah or Azsuna for the same reason. Same plot, just with one faction not getting any of the relevant plot details, and instead just being told on the forums that the Tyrande cinematic in Val'sharah that Horde never got to have any quests for was totally not Alliance-centric because Tyrande was not fighting for the Alliance at the time.

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Legion is a good example of that. there were 2 races that needed closure for the Legion storyline, and it just so happened that both were Alliance
    You've never felt that the orcs who were enslaved by the Legion, broken off from their roots, turned into murder machines, lost their home world and culture to the Legions corruption, etc needed closure with the Legion? Or the Forsaken who were turned by the puppet of the Legion and had everything taken from them much in the same way the orcs did? Or the Humans who felt the full force of those orcs and undead who were being driven by the Legion? Half the races in the game needed closure with the Legion and only 2 got it, not even two really because it was more or less just the Draenei and the Illidari. Most races that had beef with the Legion were 100% ignored.

  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by ChampionChains View Post
    You've never felt that the orcs who were enslaved by the Legion, broken off from their roots, turned into murder machines, lost their home world and culture to the Legions corruption, etc needed closure with the Legion? Or the Forsaken who were turned by the puppet of the Legion and had everything taken from them much in the same way the orcs did? Or the Humans who felt the full force of those orcs and undead who were being driven by the Legion? Half the races in the game needed closure with the Legion and only 2 got it, not even two really because it was more or less just the Draenei and the Illidari. Most races that had beef with the Legion were 100% ignored.
    Yes, both had importance to the plto. But Orcs had just gotten an expansion centered around their culture, and Forsaken were always more about Scourge, anyways. They also got story in the context of Sylvanas and Varimathras at the end.

    Nelves and Draenei were more integral to the Legion invasion at that point. Nelves for the elvish stuff on Broken isles and also references to War of the Ancients, and Draenei specifically for Argus.

  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Yes, both had importance to the plto. But Orcs had just gotten an expansion centered around their culture, and Forsaken were always more about Scourge, anyways. They also got story in the context of Sylvanas and Varimathras at the end.

    Nelves and Draenei were more integral to the Legion invasion at that point. Nelves for the elvish stuff on Broken isles and also references to War of the Ancients, and Draenei specifically for Argus.
    I never got the "WoD is a Horde expansion" argument since 90% of the focus was killing orcs, not venerating or siding with them. Killing orcs is an Alliance theme. It was just a shame that decades of build up of orcs needing to face the Legion was shat on so Illidan could be retcon-resurrected for another edgelord hero class and endless moaning about sacrifice. For all the cries there usually are for the factions to work together, Legion was a MASSIVE missed opportunity for Orcs and Draenei to unite against their shared primary antagonist. Especially following WoD.

  7. #167
    You want to know why Horde is getting so many damn cinematics this expansion? Because this is it for the Horde, this is the last expansion you will have two official factions. Horde is going down, Sylvanas is going to fuck up everything. Saurfang is going to die trying to save the players, Thrall is going to end up dying after being black arrowed by Sylvanas. Blightcaller is getting left behind to get cut down when Sylvanas fucks off to the the Shadowlands to become the Hyper Goddess of Death. Lor'themar gets crippled, Baine loses an arm, Gallywix chokes to death on his own spittle when he realizes Sylvanas blighted his private treasure troves, all of them. It is going to end with Anduin trying to help whoever we pick in the moment to be Warchief, Baine snaps screams no. No more, the Banshee has won... Our hope is dead, and with it. The Horde. Get a nice cut cinematic of him picking up a torch that is right next to the dead Thrall and walking to the Horde Banner that is hanging nearby. He thrusts the torch into the banner and it begins to burn. Then he states what the various races can do, go to the various neutral factions to seek help from. The orcs can go to the Earthen Ring, the Forsaken and Blood elves with half a brain go to the Argent Crusade. The tauren will seek Hamuul Runetotem to seek entrance into the Cenarion Circle to help heal Azeroth, and the others can figure it out for themselves.

    And just for shit and giggles Baine can turn to Anduin and tell him congratulations, you have done what your Father could not. You have defeated the Horde, camera pans up to reveal a burning Orgimmar filled with Blight citizens and soldiers all fleeing the ruined capitol. Then it is off to the next expansion, with new racial leaders for most of the Horde races. No explanation what happened to the survivors or where they went and a focus on the Alliance with Anduin trying to keep the newly arrived Ethereals and Lightbound from getting the other members of the Alliance to help them purge/convert Azeroth of everything 'they' deem wrong.
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  8. #168
    Nothing but fucking orcs. The Metzen plague persists

  9. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by ChampionChains View Post
    I never got the "WoD is a Horde expansion" argument since 90% of the focus was killing orcs, not venerating or siding with them. Killing orcs is an Alliance theme. It was just a shame that decades of build up of orcs needing to face the Legion was shat on so Illidan could be retcon-resurrected for another edgelord hero class and endless moaning about sacrifice. For all the cries there usually are for the factions to work together, Legion was a MASSIVE missed opportunity for Orcs and Draenei to unite against their shared primary antagonist. Especially following WoD.
    Fair point. Illidan was indeed a massive waste of space, and i say that as one of the ones that most staunchy advocated an Illidan redemption arc, guess it would have involved too much Night elf story, and BfA has definitely shown how much Blizz seems to despise Alliance night elves.

    Draenei and Orcs could definitely have gotten more of a combined front at the end, suppose it maybe just didnt click for Blizz when they wrote the soty for Argus, it was the Draenei homewolrd afterall, they might just have thought they would prefer to have one race there instead of 2, especially when orcs would feel very bolted on compared to Draenei, what with having no orc leaders suited to be on the same level of hisotry iwth the Legion as Velen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vilememory View Post
    You want to know why Horde is getting so many damn cinematics this expansion? Because this is it for the Horde, this is the last expansion you will have two official factions. Horde is going down, Sylvanas is going to fuck up everything. Saurfang is going to die trying to save the players, Thrall is going to end up dying after being black arrowed by Sylvanas. Blightcaller is getting left behind to get cut down when Sylvanas fucks off to the the Shadowlands to become the Hyper Goddess of Death. Lor'themar gets crippled, Baine loses an arm, Gallywix chokes to death on his own spittle when he realizes Sylvanas blighted his private treasure troves, all of them. It is going to end with Anduin trying to help whoever we pick in the moment to be Warchief, Baine snaps screams no. No more, the Banshee has won... Our hope is dead, and with it. The Horde. Get a nice cut cinematic of him picking up a torch that is right next to the dead Thrall and walking to the Horde Banner that is hanging nearby. He thrusts the torch into the banner and it begins to burn. Then he states what the various races can do, go to the various neutral factions to seek help from. The orcs can go to the Earthen Ring, the Forsaken and Blood elves with half a brain go to the Argent Crusade. The tauren will seek Hamuul Runetotem to seek entrance into the Cenarion Circle to help heal Azeroth, and the others can figure it out for themselves.

    And just for shit and giggles Baine can turn to Anduin and tell him congratulations, you have done what your Father could not. You have defeated the Horde, camera pans up to reveal a burning Orgimmar filled with Blight citizens and soldiers all fleeing the ruined capitol. Then it is off to the next expansion, with new racial leaders for most of the Horde races. No explanation what happened to the survivors or where they went and a focus on the Alliance with Anduin trying to keep the newly arrived Ethereals and Lightbound from getting the other members of the Alliance to help them purge/convert Azeroth of everything 'they' deem wrong.
    I would have accepted this if i believed for a second that Blizz will actually have consequences for the Hordes actions this expansion. Had i believed for even the tiniest moment that Blizz would actually let this story unfold naturally with Alliance getting sick of the Hordes shit and only letting them survive in the end to make their vicotyr all the more humiliating for the Horde, i could stomach Horde clearly being given all the toys this expansion, but i don't, so i wont.

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by lockybalboa View Post
    Nothing but fucking orcs. The Metzen plague persists
    Blizz just hears the vocal minority (who is still subbed) crying about the story consistently going downhill. So they're doing what the masses have unwittingly demanded Blizz do; return to the heyday of WoW. And the heyday was the Metzen era of orcs with Thrall leading the Horde. Everyone cried until Blizz returned to it, and now they're all crying that they're getting what they asked for. Just like all the crying over the Cata heroics which people begged for.

  11. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by ChampionChains View Post
    Blizz just hears the vocal minority (who is still subbed) crying about the story consistently going downhill. So they're doing what the masses have unwittingly demanded Blizz do; return to the heyday of WoW. And the heyday was the Metzen era of orcs with Thrall leading the Horde. Everyone cried until Blizz returned to it, and now they're all crying that they're getting what they asked for. Just like all the crying over the Cata heroics which people begged for.
    To continue this tangest briefly, it is actually kind of telling when you look back at the expansion deemd "good" in the eyes of the forums. Most of them seem to be nostalgia trips. It is the ones with new "fresh" ideas that seem to get the boot for being written horribly. It is almost like the forums don't want to admit that they mostly enjoy a story based on how similar the characters is to how they were depicted in a previous Blizz game.

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    I suppose i shouldn't call them fresh ideas, per se, more like less developed ideas. Like Deathwing being the big baddie when few people knew about him. Or Pandaria when Pandaren had only shown up in a few Warcrat missions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evaddon View Post
    We've (The Horde) got two, you got one.
    Relax.

    You're acting like we've got five in a row or soemthing

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    Anduin, Greymane, Saurfang. If you're going to make a post atleast know your stuff.
    The one where Alliance king gets told we are running out of troops and possibly lousing the war, who then has to go to Saurfang and say we can't do this on our own we need you to win this war? At best you could say it's a 50/50...

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