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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit View Post
    *Sighs*
    It is been argued that TOS are legally binding as long as there is sufficient evidence to show that there has been ample opportunity for someone to be aware of them.
    It has been argued. Yes. But there's very little in the way of precedent or settled law in the higher instances. Even in US. And outside US.. forget about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit View Post
    Foreseeable losses is irrelevant. If a party has been found wrong in such cases they may be liable for 100000s of dollars, not the $3 that was paid to them.
    That implies that you actually find a lawyer and a court that would accept the case. That you actually get to that point. Good luck

    Ps. Just a tip: don't mention "the GNU". It's not a real license

  2. #122
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    Also it's funny how you're arguing about basically the same point.. Monkey just for some reason has this grand notion that people are going to jail for something that's not being enforced right now.

    It's not going to the a huge deal until blizzard sees it as a huge problem where a lot of people are doing it or someone is making a huge amount of money from it. They literally can't police all these small things.

  3. #123
    Let them charge, it isn't your place to dictate a capitalist market. Don't want to pay? Don't. No reason to be a dick.

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by NightZero88 View Post
    So people shouldn't be able to charge for something they create? So by your logic, artists shouldn't be able to sell their art. Crafters shouldn't be able to sell their crafts. If you want to make a WA that is similar and free, do that. They made it, they choose what to do with it.
    Weak argument.

    Also, it is against the policies set out by Blizzard themselves regarding Addons and such.

  5. #125
    by all means upload it. if they’re related to mmoc you might wanna use a dummy account and vpn to post a link here though.

  6. #126
    I feel like this whole argument is part of the loophole like "buy this toothpick for $150,000 and you get a free house!". everyone knows you are buying the house and the toothpick is worthless. its the same here. "buy a sub to me and get a free WA" but nobody cares about the sub, it's worthless. you just want the WA.

    surely you can get this behavior punished.

    BTW if you thinking "no, that's wrong, its a free WA with the purchase of a sub", bro, stop lying to yourself.

  7. #127
    Imagine getting banned on this Indonesian basket-weaving forum for posting the fucking weak aura of some random streamer, which has zero commercial, intellectual property protection or representation established to it.
    Smart thing to do it is just to post them all on wagio.

    Just sub, snatch and chargeback, do you know most of those streamers don't even make their own auras right?
    Most of them have their own viewers that do it for free, just to sell them back, at other viewers, so the way I see it, I'm doing no wrong here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    Fragrance has always been kind of an asshat, pretty sure he was advertising for boost services too. Charging has only been a problem recently.
    I don't advertise any kind of boost service no, did in the past though in all honesty.
    & The WA's is rather a perk instead of spamming Sub Raid/M+ for Subs as an incentive. Since you cannot please every sub, and that concept is even more of a scam imo.

    So the "UI" became something I would keep precious to supporters rather than yeah, pretty much "selling M+/Sub Raids".
    Their call if they want to use the UI or no, or just to support the stream really.

    xo jmy
    Last edited by Fragnance; 2019-05-18 at 10:27 AM.

  9. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Fragnance View Post
    So the "UI" became something I would keep precious to supporters rather than yeah, pretty much "selling M+/Sub Raids".
    It's just problematic due to the Addon policy that Blizzard has. But that's Blizzard's problem to enforce, of course. My guess is, they can't be arsed to chase people who hide different perks behind channel subs (same as M+/sub raids really) so in practice it doesn't really matter very much.

  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Poe View Post
    If I were to share Sloot's weak auras in this thread, would that be allowed ? He has some really good tank weak auras.
    I am interested in some of those weak auras. I would appreciate a PM if posting it here isnt allowed.
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    Just like Jesus loves you no matter what, Trump is your President no matter what.

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Fragnance View Post
    I don't advertise any kind of boost service no, did in the past though in all honesty.
    & The WA's is rather a perk instead of spamming Sub Raid/M+ for Subs as an incentive. Since you cannot please every sub, and that concept is even more of a scam imo.

    So the "UI" became something I would keep precious to supporters rather than yeah, pretty much "selling M+/Sub Raids".
    Their call if they want to use the UI or no, or just to support the stream really.

    xo jmy
    Well, good on you for removing the boost thing :P I'll take back the asshat comment.

    I agree on the M+/Sub raid thing... that's borderline against twitches policies to boot.

  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by Poe View Post
    That's not the point. The point is we need to stop people from profiting off something that should be free. Imagine if every addon creator in wow charged you $5 to download their addon. It's absurd.
    How is that absurd to pay somebody for the work they did?

    You would pay 5$ for a popcorn at a movie theater but for a weak aura you'd use all the time it's too much?

    Plus, Blizzard are the ones who sent a brand new computer rig to the author of DBM didn't they?
    Last edited by Spotnick; 2019-05-18 at 05:20 PM.

  13. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by Spotnick View Post
    How is that absurd to pay somebody for the work they did?

    You would pay 5$ for a popcorn at a movie theater but for a weak aura you'd use all the time it's too much?

    Plus, Blizzard are the ones who sent a brand new computer rig to the author of DBM didn't they?
    The relevant parts of the policy below

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

    1) Add-ons must be free of charge.
    All add-ons must be distributed free of charge. Developers may not create "premium" versions of add-ons with additional for-pay features, charge money to download an add-on, charge for services related to the add-on, or otherwise require some form of monetary compensation to download or access an add-on.

    2) Add-on code must be completely visible.
    The programming code of an add-on must in no way be hidden or obfuscated, and must be freely accessible to and viewable by the general public.

    4) Add-ons may not include advertisements.
    Add-ons may not be used to advertise any goods or services.

    5) Add-ons may not solicit donations.
    Add-ons may not include requests for donations. We recognize the immense amount of effort and resources that go into developing an add-on; however, such requests should be limited to the add-on website or distribution site and should not appear in the game.
    Original here: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/1021053914

    1. "Hey, guys I made this cool Addon, you can download it over here for free! Please join my Patreon so I can eat and fix my teeth!" <- is OK
    2. "Hey guys, here are cool screenshots of my cool Addon. If you pay $5 bucks, you can download it" <- is NOT OK
    3. "Hey guys, sub to my channel. Subs get cool perks like PogChamp emotes and my cool WeakAuras" <- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    (I think 2 and 3 are the same case, but I'm not Blizzard)
    Last edited by Greyscale; 2019-05-18 at 05:38 PM.

  14. #134
    Except you don't "buy it".. you get it for free by subbing to a twitch channel don't you?

    Oldest trick in the book.. buy a pair of sunglasses and you get 2 concert tickets for free...

    Streamers do it ALL THE TIME to sell carries these days.

  15. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Spotnick View Post
    Except you don't "buy it".. you get it for free by subbing to a twitch channel don't you?

    Oldest trick in the book.. buy a pair of sunglasses and you get 2 concert tickets for free...

    Streamers do it ALL THE TIME to sell carries these days.
    See 2) in the policy above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit View Post
    Free has many reasons in the law. As a lawyer myself who specializes in digital copyright I can assure you that the GNU GPL does include the restriction of selling code to a third party. Look at section 4.6.2 of the GNU and it specifically states that software made by "the software i.e. the addon" is not to be sold, traded, given, produced, copied or any similar actions without the express permission of the original owner of such software that was used to make such software. If software vendor is unavailable or unknown then permission must be grained from the annual meeting of the GNU alliance."

    Essentially it means that you cannot sell anything related to Weakauras unless they say it is OK.

    So how much are you being paid Delrancho? You sound like you are getting paid to attack factually right people.
    Paid? And how did I attack anyone? My post couldn't have been kinder.

    I am in the process of changing careers and just finished a FOSS class. The link I posted from the GNU's site literally says,

    "Actually, we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge as much as they wish or can."

    While I am 100% certain you know more about the subject than I do (if what you said you do is true), how does one interpret this in any other way? Genuinely curious. Thanks for the response.
    Last edited by Delrancho; 2019-05-18 at 09:18 PM.

  17. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by Poe View Post
    The URLs for Sloot's WA are private are the only way to get them is to subscribe or get someone who is already subscribed to send you them.

    https://puu.sh/Dt4MZ/4eebc5b79a.png

    He's charging for the WA, let's not twist words here. The subscriber only part of the discord is sub only for the very purpose of these WAs.
    As I said. There is no paywall behind his weak aura. If you know the URL you get them for free. You're paying for access to a section that has the URL. Thats why he can sell it.

  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Greyscale View Post
    See 2) in the policy above.
    I do.. it says the code can't be obfuscated.. meaning you cannot use algorithms to make the code unreadable.

    Pretty much means don't compress it with minify algorithms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyscale View Post
    The relevant parts of the policy below

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

    1) Add-ons must be free of charge.
    All add-ons must be distributed free of charge. Developers may not create "premium" versions of add-ons with additional for-pay features, charge money to download an add-on, charge for services related to the add-on, or otherwise require some form of monetary compensation to download or access an add-on.

    2) Add-on code must be completely visible.
    The programming code of an add-on must in no way be hidden or obfuscated, and must be freely accessible to and viewable by the general public.

    4) Add-ons may not include advertisements.
    Add-ons may not be used to advertise any goods or services.

    5) Add-ons may not solicit donations.
    Add-ons may not include requests for donations. We recognize the immense amount of effort and resources that go into developing an add-on; however, such requests should be limited to the add-on website or distribution site and should not appear in the game.
    Original here: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/1021053914

    1. "Hey, guys I made this cool Addon, you can download it over here for free! Please join my Patreon so I can eat and fix my teeth!" <- is OK
    2. "Hey guys, here are cool screenshots of my cool Addon. If you pay $5 bucks, you can download it" <- is NOT OK
    3. "Hey guys, sub to my channel. Subs get cool perks like PogChamp emotes and my cool WeakAuras" <- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    (I think 2 and 3 are the same case, but I'm not Blizzard)
    WA scripts are not addons. WA itself is the addon covered by that policy.

  20. #140
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    So much talk for something so simple: If you think something is wrong:
    1. Report it;
    2. Artists, programers, streamers have the right to have a "premium" anything they want as long it's theirs
    3. MMOchampion won't help you make justice for this

    The addon is free, , the strings don't come with the addon, therefore, he didn't broke any "law", ain't even a law, but terms, ain't really "a law", so it's just a violation of terms, the person won't even get charged for it. They will be warned at max for violating and giving a proper ban, or something else, if what they are doing is indeed wrong.

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