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  1. #161
    They aren't charging for the addon, they are charging you to have access to to the configuration they use. I guess I don't see why this is a problem, and I also don't see why anyone would pay for it. Seems more like a perk for being part of the community - otherwise they would have no incentive to go through the trouble of exporting them to begin with.

  2. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by HuxNeva View Post
    Whether he paid for those assets or not is irrelevant.
    The means through which it is distributed is irrelevant.
    If he is trying to enforce a commercial arrangement for a WoW addon (or assets used therein) he breaks the UI Add-On Development Policy
    Except he isn't. He isn't charging you for the addon, and he uses already made scripts for WAs you can get for free.

    He is charging you for assets. Assets he paid to get created. Don't quit your day job to be a lawyer anytime soon.

    Anyways it's hilarious you think blizzard even gives a fuck about it even if he was actually selling an addon. How many WoW streamers past and present do "viewer runs" that are actually "sub runs" and are basically RMT runs? A lot, and blizzard never did shit.
    Last edited by Tech614; 2019-05-19 at 07:26 PM.

  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by Amerissis View Post
    To be honest, it’s absurd that addon developers CAN’T charge for their work. They made something, spend time on it, they should be able to monetize it. So that these people found a loophole, like Zygor, is good and you shouldn’t steal and fence their work.
    No they shouldn't, they get paid in exposure

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Anyways it's hilarious you think blizzard even gives a fuck about it even if he was actually selling an addon. How many WoW streamers past and present do "viewer runs" that are actually "sub runs" and are basically RMT runs? A lot, and blizzard never did shit.
    They have killed monetized addons in the past though. I think oqueue was the latest, most blatant one.

  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by Rotted View Post
    No they shouldn't, they get paid in exposure
    True, true. My landlord loves to get paid in exposure too, so it works out

  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by Greyscale View Post
    They have killed monetized addons in the past though. I think oqueue was the latest, most blatant one.
    They killed that shit because the addon itself IN GAME had a link to their paypal to donate. Of course it was always going to get killed lmao.

  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    Good luck with that, blizzard has said that Zygor is fine before. As long as the addon is free charging for the script is fine.
    Zygor can fuck right off. Been torrenting that for ages, always one available for the current expansion. Great for alts.
    Back to your bridge, you evil Troll!

  8. #168
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyscale View Post
    You're of course entitled to your opinion.
    In that case you'd probably support a marketplace for addons as well?
    Not really, my logic is, if we are going to allow everything to be payed, then we would have nothing free and not everyone can afford it. While strings for WA, there's numerous strings and you can choose wherever you like, now for the addons, addons like auctionhouse etc, i think it should be free, i mean, there's nothing else the person will do for it, what they can do is let people donate for the purest kind hearts they are to the person, if they feel the person deserves a donation for their good work. But still being free, WA strings could have the same donations and not being sold, but i don't see nothing wrong with it, all i can see wrong in it, is everyone starting to follow this and asking for their addons to be payed. Then there's no point, you already pay for the gametime, you already pay for other stuff, cosmetics, whatever you want, even expansions, do you really need to pay ALL addons? That would be too much, you know what i mean?

  9. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    They killed that shit because the addon itself IN GAME had a link to their paypal to donate. Of course it was always going to get killed lmao.
    Well, yes of course it was. Blizzard "did shit".

    Quote Originally Posted by Annka View Post
    Not really, my logic is, if we are going to allow everything to be payed, then we would have nothing free and not everyone can afford it. While strings for WA, there's numerous strings and you can choose wherever you like, now for the addons, addons like auctionhouse etc, i think it should be free, i mean, there's nothing else the person will do for it, what they can do is let people donate for the purest kind hearts they are to the person, if they feel the person deserves a donation for their good work. But still being free, WA strings could have the same donations and not being sold, but i don't see nothing wrong with it, all i can see wrong in it, is everyone starting to follow this and asking for their addons to be payed. Then there's no point, you already pay for the gametime, you already pay for other stuff, cosmetics, whatever you want, even expansions, do you really need to pay ALL addons? That would be too much, you know what i mean?
    No, unfortunately I don't quite see what you mean. To me that looks awfully lot like "as long as I get my stuff free, I don't really care who gets screwed", but maybe I'm reading it wrong.

    How about this for an idea: Every author can decide what they want to charge. They can put their addons behind paywalls if they want. Some addons (and WA strings) will be free and some will cost money. If you don't want to pay, you can always use some other addon/strings.

    This gives the addon authors (those who produce good,valuable software) opporturnity to get paid for hard work (because let's face it, this is where the *actual* work effort is). String authors (those who put in time/effort to producing good quality assets) will also be able to get paid.

    There will be a bunch of people who don't want or can't pay and this will create the demand for free alternatives. Just like it is today with commercial/open source software. You can buy Photoshop for money or you can download Gimp (some some other OSS alternative, there are many). This also forces the paid addon authors to up their game, because the free alternatives (if they're good) will eat into their earnings.

    Or alternatively - everything must be free (as in speech) and no one gets to paywall their addons or derivatives.

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by Greyscale View Post
    Well, yes of course it was. Blizzard "did shit".
    Your comparison is nonsensical, I'm sorry you didn't understand that from my first reply and I had to spell it out more blunt for you.

  11. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    They killed that shit because the addon itself IN GAME had a link to their paypal to donate. Of course it was always going to get killed lmao.
    TBF they didn't kill oqueue, they just told them to stop advertising their paypal in game like that, and murdered the way that it was doing its thing because it was spamming requests and causing lag.

    Blizz did kill oqueue fully in WoD though with their own tool

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyscale View Post
    Well, yes of course it was. Blizzard "did shit".



    No, unfortunately I don't quite see what you mean. To me that looks awfully lot like "as long as I get my stuff free, I don't really care who gets screwed", but maybe I'm reading it wrong.

    How about this for an idea: Every author can decide what they want to charge. They can put their addons behind paywalls if they want. Some addons (and WA strings) will be free and some will cost money. If you don't want to pay, you can always use some other addon/strings.

    This gives the addon authors (those who produce good,valuable software) opporturnity to get paid for hard work (because let's face it, this is where the *actual* work effort is). String authors (those who put in time/effort to producing good quality assets) will also be able to get paid.

    There will be a bunch of people who don't want or can't pay and this will create the demand for free alternatives. Just like it is today with commercial/open source software. You can buy Photoshop for money or you can download Gimp (some some other OSS alternative, there are many). This also forces the paid addon authors to up their game, because the free alternatives (if they're good) will eat into their earnings.

    Or alternatively - everything must be free (as in speech) and no one gets to paywall their addons or derivatives.
    Well read as you wish.

  13. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Your comparison is nonsensical, I'm sorry you didn't understand that from my first reply and I had to spell it out more blunt for you.
    You said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Anyways it's hilarious you think blizzard even gives a fuck about it even if he was actually selling an addon.
    As nonsensical as that statement is; yes - they actually "do give a fuck about it" when people try to blatantly sell things.

  14. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by Greyscale View Post
    They have killed monetized addons in the past though. I think oqueue was the latest, most blatant one.
    To be fair, oQueue wasn't killed so much as Blizzard literally just made an internal version of oQueue themselves (the current iteration of the group finder) and disabled oQueue's functionality. oQueue's developer was an asshat, for sure, but the addon wasn't squashed for that reason alone.

  15. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by Amerissis View Post
    To be honest, it’s absurd that addon developers CAN’T charge for their work. They made something, spend time on it, they should be able to monetize it. So that these people found a loophole, like Zygor, is good and you shouldn’t steal and fence their work.
    But they CAN ask for donations as long as the add-on itself doesn't do so in game and donations aren't required. So, the add-on authors can get money for it.

  16. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by Amerissis View Post
    To be honest, it’s absurd that addon developers CAN’T charge for their work. They made something, spend time on it, they should be able to monetize it. So that these people found a loophole, like Zygor, is good and you shouldn’t steal and fence their work.
    The only absurd thing would be addon developers that should know full well how the addon ecosystem for WoW is set up would still expect to be able to charge for their addon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Except he isn't. He isn't charging you for the addon, and he uses already made scripts for WAs you can get for free.

    He is charging you for assets. Assets he paid to get created. Don't quit your day job to be a lawyer anytime soon.
    What part of 'All add-ons must be distributed free of charge. Developers may not create "premium" versions of add-ons with additional for-pay features, charge money to download an add-on, charge for services related to the add-on, or otherwise require some form of monetary compensation to download or access an add-on. ' did you not understand?

  17. #177
    doubt youd go to jail or something. probably just be banned from their twitch channel or discord or whatever. MAYBE banned from WAGO

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