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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Grayjoy View Post
    I’ll be as succinct as possible:

    It’s really depressing to play a faction that is clearly de-prioritized in terms of development and care and has been since Cata.

    It’s baffling to read interviews where Tyrande’s arc is considered done and “vengeance” achieved.

    It’s downright bizarre to see an entire race in WoW’s genocide used as a plot device for Blizzard to show how it made the Horde sad.

    It feels pointless to play a faction that will always be reactive, devoid of agency and intrigue.

    And it just sucks to invest a lot of time, passion, and imagination into this game when I finally realize the people who create it have none for the side I like playing.

    It’s just a bummer, man. Not the end of the world or anything, but it’s just frustrating and at this point, playing Alliance truly feels like you’ve made the wrong choice, because you’re playing a side of WoW that the WoW team just honestly doesn’t seem invested in or passionate about.

    After seeing the multiple extra questlines, branching story choices, cinematics, all focused on the Horde, it’s just nakedly obvious which players Blizzard cares about (even if you hate the story, the attention is there) and for the life of me I just don’t get it. I really don’t.
    As you wish. Quick ideas for blizzard alliance developpement.

    - Tyrande plots against the alliance because they did not help them against the horde. Malfurion seeks help from jaina to stop her. Baine will come and help them with the horde to redeem themselves.

    - Anduin tries to force everyone to serve the light. Moira founds the truth and thinks thats not cool, so he emprison her so she could be the first one to be turned. Dwarves seeks help from the horde, because they know how to enter stormwind prison to free her. Genn thinks maybe Anduin went to far but prefer to wait and see what happen.

    - the gnome king wakes up and sees his city attacked by trolls. He thinks that mortal races went to far, so he decides to turn people into mindless robots he can control. He starts with those trolls then the horde. Some people in the alliance begins to think they should maybe not do that because it's better to kill people. So he begins to do that to its own people. Some escapes to ironforge to seek help. So he tries to irradiate their city to lire them out. Dwarves are stuck so they seeks help from the troggs to find a way to his city.

    There you go, enjoy.

    Playing horde just make you feel like you shouldn't care about the lore.
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  2. #62
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    The Horde gets fancy cinematics at the cost of losing characters, the war and everything else.

    Trust me, the Alliance has it good
    This world don't give us nothing. It be our lot to suffer... and our duty to fight back.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    So she has war plans but is not at war. Okay. So not only is fighting several battles not war. Acting on war plans is not war.
    Yes, it's war. Not open, declared war, but it is war.

    Why are you implying that the are less important?
    I'm not. You are. Especially when you wrote "few villagers" which is know is not the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yriel View Post
    There was no part of zandalar that they didn't attack, realistically that should have killed lots of civilians.
    The Alliance is shown attacking the army and heading up the pyramid with the objective to confront the king. The Horde is shown attacking a farming village with the objective of killing the civilians. They impaled one farmer to a wall, and another farmer is shown being impaled by a Horde spear as he tries to run away from the village when you get there for the first time.

    If you're implying that the Alliance was more "in the wrong" than the Horde in those instances is just wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tabrotar View Post
    You mean the troops being send there after the horde massacred the explorers league there? In their sleep? Bcs how dare the alliance is in the same region as the horde, how dare they...
    I don't think you've understood anything I've said. I have never said they don't have the right to be there. I have never said they don't have the right to defend and the like. They were going to war. And not just some small localized conflict that the person I was responding to claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Yes, it's war. Not open, declared war, but it is war.
    So why have you been fighting so hard against me saying they were at war? It is funny how you go from they were at peace, to peace but small local conflicts, to war but not war war. You keep shifting everything. The alliance was being proactive by spying and moving troops to get the upper hand on the horde. You've just admitted it.

    I'm not. You are. Especially when you wrote "few villagers" which is know is not the case.
    I am using the same logic you used to say burning of a thousand people at Teldrassil was more important then attacking a city and killing their king. There fore a city, their king, and anyone in the way is more important then a few villagers. Or does your own logic not apply when it doesn't suit your narrative? The stormsong village would have less people and be of less importance then a major faction city and ruler. The total number of people killed between the two would make the villagers few in comparison.

    By arguing importance you are implying that the stormsong villagers are of equal or more importance. But its clear you can't back up your own statements with an argument.

    If you're implying that the Alliance was more "in the wrong" than the Horde in those instances is just wrong.
    So destroying a city, attacking hundreds of troops just defending their city, killing civilians, and killing their king is less wrong then attacking a small village. Gotcha. The Alliance attacked the Zandalari first. Lured them into a trap and went int for the kill. Even sacrificing a bunch of their own troops to pull it off.

    But killing a handful of villagers is more evil. Gotcha. When you are going to get off this bias trip we can have an actual discussion. It still doesn't change that the Alliance is proactive and not just reactive.
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  5. #65
    The Alliance is being it's best; it was never about giving everyone an equal amount of time in the spotlight nor is there an understanding that each and every Alliance character/race must get equal amounts of screentime. The Alliance has almost always been about defending eachother and their values, with BfA accentuating this.

    The Horde is in a precarious situation, but there's a lot of hope going forward.

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    The alliance aside of being massacred because of their dumb leaders, they are pretty much OK since numbers will never affect the narrative
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    Voted Baine because... Well, Baine. Total nonsensical character, looks like World War II Italy, nobody really understands what role he's supposed to fill, not even himself

  7. #67
    Nightelves are mad at Anduin.

    A rebellion is fomenting. I just wonder if Blizzard will follow through with it or just nip it in the bud and chalk it up to "Tyrande's on her monthly cycle, let her calm down"

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    So why have you been fighting so hard against me saying they were at war?
    Open war started the moment the Horde troops invaded Ashenvale and started attacking and killing everything on their path.

    I am using the same logic you used to say burning of a thousand people at Teldrassil was more important then attacking a city and killing their king.
    Except you're not. Sylvanas started the war without provocation, acting solely on the idea that the peace wouldn't last and so the Horde had to strike first. A war that escalated when she decided to kill thousands of civilians. We can't even argue that burning Teldrassil would also cause the death of the leaders of Darnassus because she knew they weren't there. That was an act of willing and unnecessary cruelty.

    And then we have the war already going, and the Zandalari opted to join and support the Horde in their war effort, to the point of supplying soldiers to attack Kul'Tiras. The Alliance did not go to Dazar'alor with the intention of burning the city. They did not go there intending to kill civilians. They went there to have their king surrender. "Ah, but Sylvanas just wanted to kill the night elves' leader too!" And when that didn't happen... she murdered thousand of innocents without even batting an eye. All the Alliance did was kill the Zandalari king. Both are bad outcomes... but one is undeniably worse than the other. The Zandalari weren't basically decimated. We don't see Zandalari survivors living in cottages in Orgrimmar because their city was destroyed.

    So destroying a city, attacking hundreds of troops just defending their city, killing civilians, and killing their king is less wrong then attacking a small village. Gotcha.
    The biggest difference is that the Alliance went to Dazar'alor to make their king surrender or kill him if he refused. Killing civilians was never part of the plan... while the Horde went to Stormsong Valley with the intention of killing civilians, and top of that, did so in some of the most brutal of ways.

    The Alliance attacked the Zandalari first.
    Friendly reminder that there were Zandalari troops amidst the Horde that invaded Stormsong and other Kul'Tiras' lands.
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  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Grayjoy View Post
    Oh no trust me, you're totally right haha. It's fundamentally a petty concern, but it all speaks to a larger frustration Alliance players have. And hey maybe Mommy could actually give us some damn cookies for once.
    They have plenty of cookies just like horde. They just refused to eat them. Seriously? 2 out of 4 cinematics doesnt have ali characters in it and you riot. Ali have same attentsion as horde you just choose to ignore it for lulz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maljinwo View Post
    The Horde gets fancy cinematics at the cost of losing characters, the war and everything else.

    Trust me, the Alliance has it good
    If remeber corectly both opening cinematics and that one with sarufeng in prison have both ali characters in it. You got entire Stormwind harbor in cgi.

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    Last expansion Gen attacked Sylvanas' fleet in Stormheim out of nowhere for no reason and hunted down our Warchief. Then the faction war was over in Legion and the Alliance took the reigns of the story for the rest of the expansion with not a single Horde character doing anything.
    I mean the horde is not really famous for doing shit and getting shit done other than their own inner faction problems. Even then they don't really get shit done, because they need the alliance to help them to sort out THEIR shit. Both factions are lame tbh. But at least horde gets some spotlight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    If remeber corectly both opening cinematics and that one with sarufeng in prison have both ali characters in it. You got entire Stormwind harbor in cgi.
    As if I cared about Stormwind.
    This world don't give us nothing. It be our lot to suffer... and our duty to fight back.

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Maljinwo View Post
    As if I cared about Stormwind.
    So problem is in players not in Blizzard. If you chosse to ignore ali oritented stuff in cinematic thats kinda your problem.

  13. #73
    Yeah I am in the same place as you OP, but having my race's capital burned and genocided for the sake of ~faction drama~ was kind of the last straw for me. It's obvious that there isn't anyone in charge with the same love and passion for the Alliance story as there is for the Horde. I'm not sure where exactly the problem is, but it's been there for a really long time. It's hampered enjoyment of BlizzCon, and literally any WoW-related site I visit.

    What you said about feeling like you're playing the "wrong" faction really resonated with me. I love the Alliance and its races, I just wish Blizzard did too.
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