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  1. #601
    Quote Originally Posted by avx81 View Post
    The writing and the show is beyond awful. She keeps letting her murdering sister go even after she admits she won't stop.
    I'm still not convinved that the show actually has a written script. It feels like someone had a vague idea, called everyone over to the set and then they just shot a couple of scenes they thought would be cool use of tropes and tried to make sense of it in editing. None of the characters actually has a motivation that makes even remotely sense. And by episode 8 the main character is pretty much an accomplice in what, 6 murders and bunch of various other crimes that only happen because she keeps letting her murder hobo sister run free. There are amateur scripts for furry porn out there that are better written than this show.
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  2. #602
    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    None of the characters actually has a motivation that makes even remotely sense. And by episode 8 the main character is pretty much an accomplice in what, 6 murders and bunch of various other crimes that only happen because she keeps letting her murder hobo sister run free.
    And that is exactly why I gave up. I can't take it anymore. Cringe aside the writing literally makes no sense at all. I can't do it. I had to turn it off.

    Quote Originally Posted by niztheundead87 View Post
    check the viewer score : 12% says it all
    Well they are blaming trolls and toxic men. Except if enough women actually thought the show was good the score should even out. There are plenty of female reviewers you can find that also agree the show is a dumpster fire. I was willing to give it a chance even after the cringe trailers. I got to episode 5 and said nope screw this I'm done. No more please.
    Last edited by avx81; 2019-12-05 at 11:13 PM.

  3. #603
    Quote Originally Posted by avx81 View Post
    Well they are blaming trolls and toxic men. Except if enough women actually thought the show was good the score should even out. There are plenty of female reviewers you can find that also agree the show is a dumpster fire. I was willing to give it a chance even after the cringe trailers. I got to episode 5 and said nope screw this I'm done. No more please.
    The IMDB scores are pretty telling. The show is being heavily brigaded. Even if you excluded the 1/10's though you're still left with a show with mediocre scores. The average score from female users is about a 6/10 (probably lower if you throw out the 10/10's). That's not great. IMDB really needs to do better weighting. Quite frankly all of the 1/10's are troll reviews and all of the 10/10's are from publicists and cultists.

    Supergirl by comparison is a 6/10 from guys and 7/10 from girls. There are substantial amounts of 10/10 scores (which is suspicious) but also an equal amount of 7/10's. Legends has about the same score. Black Lightning is a little worse (it has more 1/10's) but is otherwise around a 7. Arrow and Flash are about a 7.5.

    Batwoman is mediocre TV. There's no agenda however. Having a lesbian lead means there will be stuff about girls and stuff about LGBQT. Its doing a weak job on that stuff but even worse it fails as an action TV show. That's really the worst sin of all.
    Last edited by Ivanstone; 2019-12-06 at 03:11 PM.

  4. #604
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    The show is being heavily brigaded.
    Heavily brigaded by people who watched it and said to themselves "this is a bad TV show".

  5. #605
    Quote Originally Posted by Martymark View Post
    Heavily brigaded by people who watched it and said to themselves "this is a bad TV show".
    A more normal looking distribution would have other scores. Lots of 2's, 3's and 4's. That's still bad TV but reflects a variety of opinions. Some would say its bad, some would say mediocre. Some might even say its OK!

  6. #606
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    A more normal looking distribution would have other scores. Lots of 2's, 3's and 4's. That's still bad TV but reflects a variety of opinions. Some would say its bad, some would say mediocre. Some might even say its OK!
    Tbh, if somehting is that bad, I doubt many people go out of their way to find the few actual good parts and argue with themselves if they can give it a 2 or a 3. Most people I know have rage quit the series because the lead character is as likeable as the villain at this point.

    I mean if this was the 80's and some random direct to VHS release straight out of the camera of the cameraman/producer/director/writer/lead actor (indicating the person being all of that at once), then I could argue that they managed to actually frame a shot, hold the camera stable and don't have the boom mics constantly hang into the shot. That might be worth 2 or 3 points. Going by modern standards for a licensed product, I have a hard time giving them credit for showing up for filmining, I can maybe wring out a point or 2 if we pretend this is The Room level of bad and ironically watch it or is a disguised "How NOT to.." series for educational purposes, but that is just pity points..

    I can't even give it smut points because Ruby Rose kissing some chick is only hot if you tell your racist & homophobe grandparents that she is actually a woman. For everyone born after the moonlanding, this is pretty tame and lame tbh.
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  7. #607
    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    Tbh, if somehting is that bad, I doubt many people go out of their way to find the few actual good parts and argue with themselves if they can give it a 2 or a 3. Most people I know have rage quit the series because the lead character is as likeable as the villain at this point.
    Some people only think in binary terms and give stuff a 1/10 or a 10/10. A lot of people don't. Trolls always give 1/10's. Publicists and fanatics give 10/10's. How do you separate people who might genuinely hate or love something from those groups?

    Ratings on the IMDB will show pyramids because that's how people actually rate shows.

    A 1/10 Movie like Manos Hands of Fate has a substantial amount of 2/10 ratings for example. A 10/10 show like Breaking Bad has a lot of 8/10's and even more 9/10's.

  8. #608
    Would you call Batwoman an LGBT show? or just a show with an Lesbo lead?


    Also, it seems that secretidentity is not such a big thing in these CW shows.. in the 90s superhero shows were all about the secret identity. They hid it at all costs, but in each of the CW shows.

    I think Arrow is the only one where his identity was a secret for the longestperiod of time by the fewest number of people.

    - - - Updated - - -

    I really like the secret identity thing, sadly the CW makes it look quite cheesy, the moveis do a much better job,

  9. #609
    Quote Originally Posted by avx81 View Post
    Well they are blaming trolls and toxic men. Except if enough women actually thought the show was good the score should even out. There are plenty of female reviewers you can find that also agree the show is a dumpster fire. I was willing to give it a chance even after the cringe trailers. I got to episode 5 and said nope screw this I'm done. No more please.
    Apparently this shit seems to work, or they're too scared about cancelling a show with LGBT lead, dunno

    https://twitter.com/CWBatwoman/statu...47525921017856

    Even IMDB ratings are odd.
    3.4/10 for the Serie (21000 votes) but episodes grow each time (probably because only the people who enjoy the serie continue rating them, as the other ones have already stopped) :
    - Episode 1: 4.8/10 (3000)
    - Episode 2: 5.2/10 (2000)
    - Episode 3: 5.4/10 (1700)
    - Episode 4: 5.4/10 (1300)
    - Episode 5: 5.8/10 (1200)
    - Episode 6: 5.7/10 (1000)
    - Episode 7: 5.7/10 (900)
    - Episode 8: 6.5/10 (700)
    - Episode 9: 8.1/10 (1500)

  10. #610
    Now is this Batgirl or a reiteration of Batman?
    If it's the latter is there a Batboy?

  11. #611
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophenia View Post
    - Episode 9: 8.1/10 (1500)
    Episode 9 was part of the crossover event so it's not a normal episode. That's more a rating of the event than the show.

  12. #612
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophenia View Post
    Apparently this shit seems to work, or they're too scared about cancelling a show with LGBT lead, dunno

    https://twitter.com/CWBatwoman/statu...47525921017856

    Even IMDB ratings are odd.
    3.4/10 for the Serie (21000 votes) but episodes grow each time (probably because only the people who enjoy the serie continue rating them, as the other ones have already stopped) :
    - Episode 1: 4.8/10 (3000)
    - Episode 2: 5.2/10 (2000)
    - Episode 3: 5.4/10 (1700)
    - Episode 4: 5.4/10 (1300)
    - Episode 5: 5.8/10 (1200)
    - Episode 6: 5.7/10 (1000)
    - Episode 7: 5.7/10 (900)
    - Episode 8: 6.5/10 (700)
    - Episode 9: 8.1/10 (1500)
    Not too odd. Pretty much what you noted. Only the people still watching it (most of whom enjoy it) are rating it. You have Ep 9 in bold, that's an outlier because it's the big crossover event, Crisis on Infinite Earths. I'm sure all the DC's titles for the XOver event got (or will get) a nice bump.

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  13. #613
    Quote Originally Posted by Nellise View Post
    Episode 9 was part of the crossover event so it's not a normal episode. That's more a rating of the event than the show.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ragedaug View Post
    Not too odd. Pretty much what you noted. Only the people still watching it (most of whom enjoy it) are rating it. You have Ep 9 in bold, that's an outlier because it's the big crossover event, Crisis on Infinite Earths. I'm sure all the DC's titles for the XOver event got (or will get) a nice bump.
    Ah, didn't know about the crossover, thanks for the information, that explains the bump (both in notation and votes count)

  14. #614
    All that whineing about ruby rose. All you hippies wanted positive sexual discrimination and there you have it. Tits are now more important than skill. Now shut up and eat your cake.

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  16. #616
    Quote Originally Posted by Thereturn View Post
    All that whineing about ruby rose. All you hippies wanted positive sexual discrimination and there you have it. Tits are now more important than skill. Now shut up and eat your cake.
    She has boobs?
    They aren't very noticeable.
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    I was afraid to open this thread because of what I knew I would find here... I was right, and now I need to bleach my brain.
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  18. #618
    Another year for everyone to complain! It got renewed for season 2.

  19. #619
    Quote Originally Posted by Nellise View Post
    Another year for everyone to complain! It got renewed for season 2.
    I thought that was old news, or am I thinking of one of the myriad arrowverse shows, with apparently 2 more incoming in Star Girl and Superman: Lois & Clark

  20. #620
    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    I thought that was old news, or am I thinking of one of the myriad arrowverse shows, with apparently 2 more incoming in Star Girl and Superman: Lois & Clark
    It's popularity is really abyssmal, but the CW just doesn't have anything better apparently and let's be real, the show is produced on a shoestring budget anyway. Arrow will also be ending this season (ironic as it's the namesake of the universe) and they probably hope that star girl and superman can fill that. Given that it's the most useless superman ever written from the supergirl show though.. yea I'm not holding my breath. Star Girl might be a surprise hit, but the material is a little bit out there, not sure if general audiences will connect to that.
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