I think that argument is referring to the stance of the right wing which is that once the baby is out they will do nothing for it because they oppose any government program that will benefit the child or the parents. If you look at the states pushing this they are some of the worse places to raise a family.
It's a awful disconnect with the family values they claim and their actions.
You assumed her daughter was opposed to being on birth control?
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A blade of grass is alive. But a blade of grass doesn't have a right to life. Spiders are alive. Bacteria are alive.
So what exactly gives you a right to life? It isn't just being alive. Heaps of things are alive without a right to life.
i had to google what "pro-life" is....
lol. just lol.
cant he just call it what it is. anti-abortion.
a fetus is biologically considered the same entity as the mother until birth. no one is dying.
seems more self righteous than an argent dawn paladin! bah.. politicians.
"Bloc".
Apparently this law is actually deeply unpopular even in Alabama.
https://www.al.com/news/2019/05/alab...ing-shows.htmlLess than a third of Alabamians indicated last year that they approved of the provisions of the abortion ban passed by the state Legislature earlier this week and signed by Gov. Kay Ivey on Wednesday, according to polling conducted on behalf of Planned Parenthood’s southeast affiliates.
The survey showed that as lawmakers and the governor signed off on the country’s most restrictive abortion law, its provisions were deeply unpopular among Alabamians overall – and even the state’s most conservative residents.
This is pure cynical partisan politics, make no mistake.
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Yeah, all you need to know about the "pro-life" movement in the US is that they're anti-abortion, but pro-capital punishment.
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What the world has learned is that America is never more than one election away from losing its goddamned mindMe on Elite : Dangerous | My WoW charactersOriginally Posted by Howard Tayler
I don't care who values what, I care about what is logical. If X group of people valued the idea of rape being okay, would you post the same thing? 'Ope, well I see both sides!"
"Life" is a bad argument and always have been. Its completely about control and forcing women to stay pregnant. Its an invasion of privacy and overrules the basic bodily autonomy of human rights. Again, just because someone has X value, or X opinion, doesn't mean jack shit. After conception, the EMBRYO is not a child, its not a person. That is a fact. If you are trying to argue from a basis of "life" then sperm and unfertalized eggs, as well as cancer, ants, and stomach bacteria all count. I hope you don't masturbate, or you're a murderer!
This isn't subjective. Your first post is garbage and basically says nothing at all. It can be summed up as "I have nothing to say, both sides are both right and wrong!" You act like every opinion has some amount of validity but not all opinions are formed or can be defended equally. Would you say the same rhetoric when talking about someone trying to defend racism?
I've read the arguments and don't think they are remotely valid, especially since someone who is anti-choice ... can just choose not to get an abortion? There you go, problem solved. The same argument here is just religious morality, which is the same type of argument used to ban gay marriage. Again, just because someone can crap out a half brained "idea' doesn't mean we need to give any credence to it.
I don't refuse to do anything. I have listened to the arguments and read them. I don't need to respect them if they are stupid and illogical.
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You are correct, there is no merit to pro-life arguments.
Nothing I said mentions geography though.
At the top level I personally believe at its core the whole pro-life bullshit is a last ditch effort to try and ward off demographic changes. If white people can't have abortions then they can't be "replaced" or whatever dumb shit these racist morons think.
For the regular "pro life" joes they buy into the propaganda of all life is precious crap but theres more to it then the powers that be are letting on.
You conflate values with opinions. Values often shape your opinions, yes... but they can also be as subjective as just having different interests. Or have different tastes in food. We can eat something new which we have no experience in and put different values and rating on it how good it was and it won't be based on logic or science, just different interpretation based on previous experiences.
You keep arguing for a point that isn't there. I never said they are logical, I never said they are right. I have never said "both sides are both right or wrong". Read my posts instead of making shit up.
Most of your post is just rambling with no connection to the discussion I've been having with others.
I think it's definitely about GOP demographics, but I don't think it's so much about that "white genocide" crap (which is basically what you described). Instead, it's basically the last social issue that they have to motivate their evangelical Christian base. When they lose the "vote NOW to stop the evil leftists from murdering hundreds of thousands of babies a year!!!" talking point, they have very little left to offer other than generic lies about the good ol' days.
Values are opinions, yes. As in, "In my (wrong) opinion, life begins at conception..." The issue is that Alabama specifically (as well as other states) are enforcing rules based on feelings and opinion, instead of any kind of logic. You don't need a logical explanation to tel me why you love cheese, or why you hate the color red. But when you try to enforce a law, you need to have it backed up by logic.
I read your post, and it comes down to an ignorant notion that "both sides" should be respected, which is rather disturbing to say the least.
This post specifically is the one I am talking about - one is clearly logically superior, as the other side doesn't actually use any type of logic to dictate their opinions. Its always either something incredibly vague, or based on feelings, or because ''God commands," or "think of the children!" ... all of which ignore reality and logic.
They also tend to be against welfare, against education, against anti-poverty, against sexual education, against easy access to healthcare . . .
They want to burden our system with millions of unwanted children without supporting said children, telling these mothers, after forcing them to have said children, to pull themselves up from their bootstraps.
These people claim 50 million died since Roe V Wade. But I want to hear the grand Republican plan for supporting these 50 million extra people in the US.
Putin khuliyo