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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majestic12 View Post
    But we already get a massively different game than 2006. I'd buy your argument if Blizzard went with progressive itemization, but they're clearly going to lock raids while keeping items in their final form. It's as far away from authentic they could make it as they've introduced itemization inbalances that simply did not exist for these raid tiers.

    Long story short: The authenticity argument is BS. Blizzard simply does what they want.
    I know they are doing this, but are we talking about substantial, game changing stuff, or just stat fixes? Are we talking about items that you get at a vendor, or will take 2-3 months of dungeons and raids before 30-40% of the server has said items?

    And, does this make a tangible difference in how pre-AQ/Naxx content will be cleared? If this change does not trivialize content, then I don't think it's a massive difference.

    To add to my point, I started playing in July of 2006, and hit max in November of '06, so if I am correct I played all of my vanilla experience in 1.12 conditions, and I can assure you that the raids I was present for were not LFR facerolls.

    Also, there are certain items that will only be entered in with various phases, so items that were in 1.12 but were not available in, say, the MC or BWL patches, won't be available until their corresponding patch.

    All this doesn't change the fact that Blizzard determines the level of authenticity, but I don't know how impactful it will be.
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  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by apelsinjuice View Post
    just shows that most of the classic heroes didnt actually play vanilla but rather private servers with altered mechanics and bugfixes that didnt exist in vanilla
    which includes 90% of streamers who fought so hard for "original" vanilla experience

    and now whine that classic is not like their private servers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    which includes 90% of streamers who fought so hard for "original" vanilla experience

    and now whine that classic is not like their private servers.

    hillarius
    Are they whining or reporting what they think is a bug? After they find it is an intended feature, they might just shrug and say "Oh, ok."

    I'm not just playing DA here, are there people loudly complaining yet?
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  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Masternap View Post
    I get all of these, except for this one:

    This just seems beyond stupid to me and like something that should be fixed. This isn't something that's 'working as intended', enhances gameplay or anything like that. It's just an annoying visual bug that's nothing more than a nuisance.
    but thats something you wanted

    original expeirence

    game being half broken and half garbage

    thats what you fought so hard guys

    thats what for you ridiculed "you think you do but you dont"

    well do you or you dont want ?

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by discofleshpot View Post
    The ones reporting these "bugs" are probably the same people who have been waiting for Classic to come back so they can play it... because they miss it so much... except they were never there to miss it... and they dont realize how much of a different game it really is...
    Considering a majority of the people in the beta are streamers that were likely in the ball park 10 years old when the game came out the odds are against it. They just don't remember.

  6. #86
    I had to laugh when Tips Out got 2-shot by a boss in Wailing Caverns after he charged into it with broken gear, without full health, and before the healer was ready. He reported it as bugged for dealing too much damage. No words.

    Last edited by DarkAmbient; 2019-05-18 at 03:38 PM.

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by discofleshpot View Post
    The ones reporting these "bugs" are probably the same people who have been waiting for Classic to come back so they can play it... because they miss it so much... except they were never there to miss it... and they dont realize how much of a different game it really is...
    I've heard 1.12 dumb down the game a lot as well.
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  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    I had to laugh when Tips Out got 2-shot by a boss in Wailing Caverns after he charged into it with broken gear, without full health, and before the healer was ready. He reported it as bugged for dealing too much damage. No words.
    LOL thats just priceless

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Dergiab View Post
    Warrior health regen is Spirit * 0.8 + 6. Warrior has the highest regen of all the classes.

    http://wow.allakhazam.com/wiki/HP_Regen_%28WoW%29
    warrior get the most from spirit as well and it kind of worthless on everyone else. Staff warrior were also a thing.
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  10. #90
    Can't wait for a prot warrior to get healed by a Disc priest, and wondering why they can't do shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isilarya View Post
    Well it depends how youd extend that thought. I dont have a sub. Current WoW absolutely does not deserve it and I wont sub for a beta I might not get into when I have 0 intent on ever reinstalling during BFA's lifecycle. If I can get the beta and not access it fine, make it show up on my menu ill log in buy a token and activate my account to play Classic Beta. But if they want me to pay for the opportunity to maybe get the invite? no thats dumb because then money is running and I get no game time out of it because retail can burn at this point.
    You know as well as Blizzard and everyone else that you will buy a sub once it's released anyway. Besides, they want to get people paying but they also know that most won't stay for long as classic is just not a game that most people will enjoy in the long run.

    Blizzard will gain very little from letting people try the beta for free but they will gain quite a bit from the early rush of players that remember the games as awesome yet will be utterly bored in a month or so. There is a VERY realy risk that the majority of testers would be bored befor they payed Blizzard anything. Can't have that, now can we?

  12. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Aggrophobic View Post
    You know as well as Blizzard and everyone else that you will buy a sub once it's released anyway. Besides, they want to get people paying but they also know that most won't stay for long as classic is just not a game that most people will enjoy in the long run.

    Blizzard will gain very little from letting people try the beta for free but they will gain quite a bit from the early rush of players that remember the games as awesome yet will be utterly bored in a month or so. There is a VERY realy risk that the majority of testers would be bored befor they payed Blizzard anything. Can't have that, now can we?
    No I get that I agree. I was mostly just stating the opt in portion would ideally not have the active account requirement. Make actually playing it have the sub sure but let us roll the dice on getting the beta invite before we invest.

    Im already 100% guaranteed to have the sub running on aug 27th. I genuinely would like to be testing and reporting things for this as applicable, not to hurrdurr change things but for like things that clearly broke by just overlaying the 1.12 code over the current architecture. Im already retired I wouldnt mind myself being an unpaid tester, dont have alot else to be doing.

  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    I had to laugh when Tips Out got 2-shot by a boss in Wailing Caverns after he charged into it with broken gear, without full health, and before the healer was ready. He reported it as bugged for dealing too much damage. No words.
    The funny thing is that boss is one of the hardest hitting bosses in early levels, even in retail he still hits fairly hard on non heirloom tanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by ViolenceJackRespectsWomen View Post
    I've heard 1.12 dumb down the game a lot as well.
    In what ways? I started in 1.12 so I don’t have a prior reference.
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    Lul at wrathbabies crying
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    Rogues are fine ©
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  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Or who the hell would remember Tauren used to have a giant hitbox?
    Do gnomes still drown in shallow pools and such?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    "Warrior health Regeneration is working at the expected rate."

    Hilarious. I also love the ones where they're passive aggressively calling out BFA players.
    where do they call out bfa players?
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Azerite is absolutely RNG you are right. You have no idea what traits will be on that piece you got from a random source until you roll it. I've literally had a Warfront piece that had the "opposite faction" passive and no passive/proc for my spec but it did for the other 2.

  18. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by taishar68 View Post
    In what ways? I started in 1.12 so I don’t have a prior reference.
    They reworked worked talents and a bunch other changes or something like that.
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  19. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by Halyon View Post
    Do gnomes still drown in shallow pools and such?
    Was this a thing? I remember gnomes complaining about pools in black morass, but were there spots in classic that caused issues too?

  20. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    I had to laugh when Tips Out got 2-shot by a boss in Wailing Caverns after he charged into it with broken gear, without full health, and before the healer was ready. He reported it as bugged for dealing too much damage. No words.
    I welcome him to vanilla.

    This alone proofs how wrongly tuned all private servers are - mobs hit like wet noodles, dungeon bosses are usually no better. And i mean servers that are supposed to be blizzlike x1.

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