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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Netherspark View Post
    Because not everyone and everything is meant to be magic....
    But that is a misconception. Everything in WoW is magic in one form or another, even a rock. Without magic there would not be a universe in WoW.

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    The rogues were pretty shit anyways, the invisibility obviously worked, but the sound of brushing foliage and footsteps probably gave them away, so much for stealth... Perhaps the designers have been watching GoT season 8?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlmightyGerkin View Post
    -_-. Do you see rogues when they're stealth? They're technically invisible.

    Invisible - unable to be seen; not visible to the eye.
    ... hunter uses track hidden, it's hilariously effective!
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    Depends on the gaming universe. Some games have rogues that are basically non-magical, some have them hybrids. In WoW, they've pretty much been established as a hybrid for a long time. As people have already mentioned, rogues have abilities like Cloak of Shadows and Shadowstep (Sub rogues even deal shadow damage), which are clearly magical in nature and not some acrobatic or athletic feat. Such abilities and attributes are not out of the realm of the ordinary even in other RPGs, heck some RPGs can have hybrid classes where rogues can be wizards/mages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonfitz View Post
    How is no one talking about how these rogues can go invisible? For the past decade I thought rogue stealth was just rogues hiding well in the shadows, and that in-game we were just being sneaky but not actually invisible. This was enforced by mages having an invisibility spell separate from rogues. With this cinamatic confirming rogues really can go invisible, how is this done? What’s the mechanic behind it? Is it a button they press or something on their cloths? A spell? What the????
    Rogues "stealth" is part mundane shadow magic part talent, some of their arsenal revolves around them even infusing shadow or void magic into their attacks....been that way since vanilla.

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    I do think a predator type effect would have been better, but it wasn't totally invise since they did catch them in mid air once or twice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by even View Post
    Can someone please elaborate why Rogue Stealth is such a big deal in a world where a planet can be pierced by a big sword with no consequences to the atmosphere etc. And where Argus and Azeroth do not crash into each other, albeit their masses being directly next to each other?
    Could it have to do with fresh accounts wanting to stir up some more shit? Because nowadays we cannot just enjoy a cinematic trailer for it being well done. No...it has to be "Oh, Horde favouritism" "Stealth as depicted is lore breaking" bla bla bla

    Yeah, when you as a rogue do this in bright sunlight, where there is ZERO shadows and no rocks or other cover in game it is "I am pretending I am hiding very well in the shadows". But show it in a cinematic...and the game dies....again.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Spotnick View Post
    Best explanation is that they were not there to kill Thrall, but to spy on him.

    Sylvanas would have sent US and not some random no-name rogues if she wanted to kill Thrall, let's be honest.
    Or worst explanation. Spies dont reveal themselves to try to kill the target they have been tracking. As a spy, why risk exposing yourself in mid day, in the presence of another known hardened fighter?

    These were clearly assassins. They were pressured to attack to prevent Thrall joining Saurfang and leaving together. The assassins would have known this was the last opportunity if they suspected Saurfang was tracking them. They would have lost all element of surprise if their conversation continued.

    As spies, they could have just slipped away or avoided contact altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirKickBan View Post
    Lots of people are talking about it. -Barring a few weird people, nobody really likes it, either because it shatters the fantasy of rogues being batman-esque sneaky ninjas, and turns them into rando, no-skill mages with one spell and two knives, or because it means the world of Azeroth makes no sense anymore, when every problem could be solved with literally invisible assassins, and every single class should be using that particular trick to turn themselves invisible as well.



    Just gonna go ahead and point out that that's some major apples to oranges, right there. -That's a bit like saying.. I dunno.. Because dragons exist in WoW, leprechauns have to as well. -I mean, they're both fictional creatures, right? So they're both the same? Right?

    There's a world of difference, both in how they're presented to us in game, and the logical consequences each entails, between fireballs, and invisibility, and it shouldn't be all that controversial to point out that total invisibility, in the hands of basically every assassin on the planet, has some pretty major implications for the setting.
    Not all rogues use shadow magic or live long enough to learn it. Also the magic used isn't fool proof it mundane to point that there are tell signs that you are being stalked. I betting a lot of assassinations never happen because the assassins never even make it to their mark alive.

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    The only thing I thought was a bit weird is how a warrior with no affinity for magic is able to track and kill 2 great assassins. I mean sylvanas isn't gonna send some wimpy idiots to kill thrall but in the end they lost a battle while fighting a foe basically without a weapon or decent armor.

    Rogues have always used shadow magic, the whole sneaking around thing without using some form of magic has always been pretty stupid since that would either only work in the dark or against blind and oblivious enemies.

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Rascal Bob View Post
    The only thing I thought was a bit weird is how a warrior with no affinity for magic is able to track and kill 2 great assassins. I mean sylvanas isn't gonna send some wimpy idiots to kill thrall but in the end they lost a battle while fighting a foe basically without a weapon or decent armor.

    Rogues have always used shadow magic, the whole sneaking around thing without using some form of magic has always been pretty stupid since that would either only work in the dark or against blind and oblivious enemies.
    Well the assassins only purpose in the story is to motivate Thrall joining Saurfang.

    The characters are infallible and shown to be badass even while relatively defenseless, thats all the intention was.

    Otherwise, its impossible to portray elite dark rangers sniping Thrall and Saurfang and having a good back and forth all in the span of 4 minutes. The way this is set up is just imply a threat to Thralls family and giving him the motivation to do something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rascal Bob View Post
    The only thing I thought was a bit weird is how a warrior with no affinity for magic is able to track and kill 2 great assassins. I mean sylvanas isn't gonna send some wimpy idiots to kill thrall but in the end they lost a battle while fighting a foe basically without a weapon or decent armor.

    Rogues have always used shadow magic, the whole sneaking around thing without using some form of magic has always been pretty stupid since that would either only work in the dark or against blind and oblivious enemies.
    They weren't fighting your random ass orc #4209, Saurfang and Thrall are on whole another level both in experience and power. Heck Saurfang alone was legit years fighting while these assassins were sucking their mom's tit back in Lordaeron.

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    Lore breaking? Lol. How dare a class that is known to teleport “shadow step” be able to turn invisible. The shame!

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonfitz View Post
    I thought
    You were wrong.

    It's magic.

  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Or worst explanation. Spies dont reveal themselves to try to kill the target they have been tracking. As a spy, why risk exposing yourself in mid day, in the presence of another known hardened fighter?

    These were clearly assassins. They were pressured to attack to prevent Thrall joining Saurfang and leaving together. The assassins would have known this was the last opportunity if they suspected Saurfang was tracking them. They would have lost all element of surprise if their conversation continued.

    As spies, they could have just slipped away or avoided contact altogether.
    Realize they were going for Saurfang.. and not Thrall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    they are concealed by the shadows.

    the "shadows" is void.

    rogues, since vanilla, have used shadow magic.
    Shadow and Void are two completely different things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonfitz View Post
    How is no one talking about how these rogues can go invisible? For the past decade I thought rogue stealth was just rogues hiding well in the shadows, and that in-game we were just being sneaky but not actually invisible. This was enforced by mages having an invisibility spell separate from rogues. With this cinamatic confirming rogues really can go invisible, how is this done? What’s the mechanic behind it? Is it a button they press or something on their cloths? A spell? What the????
    In a world of magic,demons and dragons..where we can literally punch ghost and spirits....people still ask the silliest questions.

    Subtlety dabbles in shadow magic, making them able to become invisible, but this is tool common to all rogues for gameplay reasons. When the masters of Subtlety and the shadow arts would be the only specialization that could conceal themselves in this manner otherwise
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  17. #57
    As much as I like wow's story I learned a long time ago there is no point in trying to nail down WoW's Lore. Blizzard retcons things on a whim and never hammer out details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evaddon View Post
    Shadow and Void are two completely different things
    no, shadow is void.

    shadow's just what people call dark magics they fear.
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    Just wait until they find out that Warriors use some sort of rage magic.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    no, shadow is void.

    shadow's just what people call dark magics they fear.
    Well going by the cosmology map, and the description in game for Shadow Priest, they're distinctly different forces of Magic/power. One may stem from another, but they're not one in the same

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    But then Wowpedia says something differently, so I don't know...lol I'll go by what it says in game for now

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