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  1. #381
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    This is something you must see in relation to the times. You can't compare Mythic bosses nowadays to Classic bosses without thinking about a) class design, b) gearing, c) buff food and d) etc. In general bosses weren't very complex (I mean there were complex bosses but most of them weren't) but all of the other things you had to worry about was what made it difficult (maybe difficult is the wrong word?). Nowadays you can totally ignore a, b and c. Gearing is super easy, getting buff food is too and class design... due to marginalization it barely matters. That's why you need those complex encounters.
    Getting food buffs in Vanilla was easy. Because if you didn't have food with you, you wouldn't be invited to my raid groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    The same as in Classic... fighting Nefarion without the cloak or Huhuran / Saphiron without resistance gear... well, no chance. Farming / crafting resistance gear was tedious and a pain. But it was something that made Classic Classic and I am looking forward to it. You don't have these things nowadays. All that matters is your gear score (and skill in the highest difficulties).
    Yes, the point he said was that being unprepared meant your raid wipes. As if that does not exist now. It's a stupid argument.
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    Even in the best of situations, Classic will not overtake retail simply because of the marketing difference between the two products.

    Aslong as Blizzard is supporting content for Retail, Classic will always be an afterthought, designed for a smaller yet more specific audience. But if Retail gets put on maintainence, Classic might overtake it, especially if they progress to TBC and Wrath.
    May the lore be great and the stories interesting. A game without a story, is a game without a soul. Value the lore and it will reward you with fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flurryfang View Post
    Even in the best of situations, Classic will not overtake retail simply because of the marketing difference between the two products.

    Aslong as Blizzard is supporting content for Retail, Classic will always be an afterthought, designed for a smaller yet more specific audience. But if Retail gets put on maintainence, Classic might overtake it, especially if they progress to TBC and Wrath.
    Classic is a timeless experience and it did grow to 8 millions sub back in the day, i think you will be quite shocked :-)

  4. #384
    Quote Originally Posted by clausuk57 View Post
    Classic is a timeless experience and it did grow to 8 millions sub back in the day, i think you will be quite shocked :-)
    Because it was new in 2004, had RTS game with lore before and was a first mmo for majority.

    Ppl writing that Classic was better, harder and will overtake retail, please...give me a number to your dealer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xemioza View Post
    Because it was new in 2004, had RTS game with lore before and was a first mmo for majority.

    Ppl writing that Classic was better, harder and will overtake retail, please...give me a number to your dealer
    I can't wait when we prove you wrong? After 1 year of classic you will say, we need atleast 2 years to judge classic LUL

  6. #386
    I doubt it. Especially once the rose-tinted glasses come off and reality sets in. The irony is a lot of what people complain about in 9.0 is worse in Classic. Things like the GCD, the grinding, etc.

  7. #387
    Quote Originally Posted by Jayluck View Post
    I can't wait to see the tears of people when Classic does better than retail.

    It's going to be absolutely majestic and a wake up call for those people who don't know what a real RPG is.
    Maybe you should wake up and realize it's not 2004 anymore, gaming industry and player base has changed a lot. Portion of players that want to have tedious, time consuming grinding experience is very small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayluck View Post
    It's easy to pretend you played don't worry buddy.
    Sure, I'll humor an 8 post ban evading account.

    My shitty pvp rank that got tanked due to DhKs in the final days before the honor system was removed as well as the Dark Portal Event.



    And this is from my rogue who was my original main that I didn't login to for years after quitting him (hence the achievement date being way after when they were added)

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    While it's true nobody can predict the future or how well Classic will be received...using logic one can determine that Classic will initially be popular but its popularity will plummet once the realities of how bad a game it was in that state hits home. The people most looking forward to Classic have their nostalgia goggles on REALLY tight and have forgotten the pitfalls of Vanilla.

    I certainly don't care much if Classic does overtake Retail in popularity, but it just seems so unlikely to happen that those with their hopes and dreams set on Classic doing so will be in for a rude awakening 6+ months after it releases.

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    i fking hope so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Assorted Whip View Post
    Maybe you should wake up and realize it's not 2004 anymore, gaming industry and player base has changed a lot. Portion of players that want to have tedious, time consuming grinding experience is very small.
    How do you know? Its not like BFA is doing good, why do you think the first 3 expansions did well?
    And don't say its because WoW is old.
    WoW was old even at end of Wotlk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheEnd View Post
    While it's true nobody can predict the future or how well Classic will be received...using logic one can determine that Classic will initially be popular but its popularity will plummet once the realities of how bad a game it was in that state hits home. The people most looking forward to Classic have their nostalgia goggles on REALLY tight and have forgotten the pitfalls of Vanilla.

    I certainly don't care much if Classic does overtake Retail in popularity, but it just seems so unlikely to happen that those with their hopes and dreams set on Classic doing so will be in for a rude awakening 6+ months over it releases.
    If its the TOP game for 6 months i still think it did better than the last 4 WoW expansions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Assorted Whip View Post
    Maybe you should wake up and realize it's not 2004 anymore, gaming industry and player base has changed a lot. Portion of players that want to have tedious, time consuming grinding experience is very small.
    It's like people don't realize just how much time has passed since then. It's not even about MMORPGs of today being different, but rise of MOBAs, battle royales, mobile gaming, casual gaming, f2p, subscription based mmos being nearly extinct and so on. No, something had X players two decades ago = it will have the same number now.

    Let's not forget that vanilla also had a huge turnover - it was not a perfect game that never bored anyone. Plenty of people dropped it well before 60, but newcomers kept the subscriptions rising. However, back then, it offered something completely different - persistent online gameplay that didn't require absurd grinding and was available for "casuals". That will not be the case for Classic, as "casuals" of today have very different requirements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clausuk57 View Post
    If its the TOP game for 6 months i still think it did better than the last 4 WoW expansions.
    What do you mean "top game" exactly? Classic WOW most certainly will not be the highest played game out of all games released this year. Top Blizzard game? Perhaps, for a few months at most. And do you really think Blizzard would view recreating a 15 year old game for 6 months of popularity as a worthy investment? Huh, think again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by clausuk57 View Post
    If its the TOP game for 6 months i still think it did better than the last 4 WoW expansions.
    You are comparing "complete" product with betas. Because thats how it is. Blizzard is too slow to react and fix issues.
    8.0 had way too many issues that were fixed in 8.1 but it was just too slow.

    Legion was worst in this way... waking essences at the end of expansion was like slowest fix ever, should have been implemented month after expansion start.
    WoD was no different.

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    It will be king for a while, until a new and more hyped product comes to cast it down and take all its playerbase with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayluck View Post
    Seriously we are going to accuse people of ban evading now?
    Your name is Jay"luck". You aint fucking fooling anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by infinitemeridian View Post
    No - classic only has a finite amount of content, of which said content:

    1) Is incredibly easy and will be finished the day it comes out (raids I'm referring to here)
    Leveling alone will take days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayluck View Post
    I can tell you right now I'm not him. I'm a friend irl.
    Sure you are mate, sure you are. Just a friend.
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  19. #399
    I doubt it.

    I played WoW in vanilla. I liked it back then. But I don't think I could ever go back to it. I think the game is overall better now than it was in vanilla, and has more mainstream appeal than classic will in 2019. That's not to say the current game is perfect and classic will nothing i like. But I don't think I could ever go back to classic these days and I don't think classic will be anywhere near as successful in 2019 as it was in 2004.

  20. #400
    There is a better than fair chance that Classic will overtake BfA for a month or two. I think BfA has lost a lot more players than Blizz is willing to admit.

    However, I expect Classic will settle down after that, and I wouldn't be surprised BfA and Classic end up fairly close (which will be a win for Blizz).

    Longer term, it will really depend on whether Blizz gets their collective heads out from where the sun don't shine and put out real effort on the next expansion. If they continue with the super-cheap ways, and the next expansion is as cheaply done as BfA, then Classic may indeed maintain higher subs than current.

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