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  1. #401
    Quote Originally Posted by Lollis View Post
    Sure you are mate, sure you are. Just a friend.
    Lollis, just wait and see, when classic comes out all you retail babies will have to admit your wrong..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    BfA is excelling in presenting a quest - the problem is, most quests are utterly boring and uninspired. Classic didn't excel in that regard, it was in many cases quite bland. But there were quest chains to remember (AQ opening, Onyxia pre quest, Dustmarsh traitor quest etc.).
    Oh, indeed.
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  3. #403
    Quote Originally Posted by Gehco View Post
    Oh, indeed.
    And they we're a lot harder too though, just like PvP in general

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    Quote Originally Posted by clausuk57 View Post
    Lollis, just wait and see, when classic comes out all you retail babies will have to admit your wrong..
    Wrong about what?
    Speciation Is Gradual

  5. #405
    Quote Originally Posted by Lollis View Post
    Wrong about what?
    About which is gonna have the biggest impact, and player population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clausuk57 View Post
    About which is gonna have the biggest impact, and player population.
    Feel free to quote where I have talked about the impact/population
    Speciation Is Gradual

  7. #407
    Quote Originally Posted by Lollis View Post
    Wrong about what?
    You need to stop to argue with him. He has a trump avatar. XD

    People will realize hown wrong they are if they want to play anything else than the few specs that worked in vanilla.

    Just let them have the illusion for some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clausuk57 View Post
    Classic is a timeless experience and it did grow to 8 millions sub back in the day, i think you will be quite shocked :-)
    Classic is also an experience, which have been experienced before by 6 million people. Just because it is a long time ago people have played, does not mean that all 8 million will try it again or even have fond memories of it. Thinking that every player will not only try Classic, but stay subbed is a HUGE assumption and something that is very unrealistic, if not just direct imaginary.

    Classic getting a high sub number is proberly in the 2-3 million, but higher? The marketing simply is not wide enough to allow it.
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  9. #409
    None of you have any insight or actual arguments for either side. You're all basing your opinions on your subjective feelings about the game. Retailers are ranting how outdated and slow classic is while classic players are ranting how lifeless / non-mmo retail is. I'm more on the classic side but the truth is neither me nor any of you have a basic concept of how massive and different wow's playerbase opinions and likings are. Or people in general for that matter.

    You'll have to wait and see, there is no divine foresight you think you all possess.

  10. #410
    Quote Originally Posted by Flurryfang View Post
    Classic is also an experience, which have been experienced before by 6 million people. Just because it is a long time ago people have played, does not mean that all 8 million will try it again or even have fond memories of it. Thinking that every player will not only try Classic, but stay subbed is a HUGE assumption and something that is very unrealistic, if not just direct imaginary.

    Classic getting a high sub number is proberly in the 2-3 million, but higher? The marketing simply is not wide enough to allow it.

    A lot of people who started in TBC, Wrath, Cata are also interested aswell.. And streamers will do a pretty damn good job advertising it to the broad audience.
    What you don't realize is, a great product speaks for itself, it doesn't need millions of dollars on marketing, it will do its job on its own.

  11. #411
    I played classic and I don't think I'll ever touch it again (way too time consuming), but I want it to succeed, at least for a while.

    Modern online gaming is based around constant FOMO, daily/weekly rewards, RNG, people with no attention spans, every AAA RPG gradually transforming into something less RPG-ish over time, etc. I hope that in the bigger picture, a resurgence of popularity in classic WoW will prove to game publishers that we need to take a step back and slow down. Learn to make MMORPGs (or just online multiplayer games, even) where people will stop the smell the roses, to really take in the world around them, and make stories for themselves.

    Blizzard, WoW and the 10 million+ people that played Classic/BC are a force to be reckoned with, so I look optimistically at the bigger picture and hope that it'll be one part in the change that affects the gaming landscape in the near future. If anything, we should combine the best parts of classic (pacing, more than anything) and retail (e.g. instanced content, different PvP structures and rating system etc) to make WoW a genuinely good game again.

  12. #412
    ofc not, why would a game with 15 year old graphics win.
    if they would have done a remake of classic wow with upgrading all zones and stuff i am sure it will have overtaken.

  13. #413
    I think it seems rather self-evident at this stage that people were always right about Classic. It's just a choice if retail players choose to accept the fact that Classic is a popular game. Retail players were clearly scared about the prospect of Classic and tried to denounce it.

  14. #414
    With the combined sub for both, no one will ever know the true facts, Great deliberate tactical decision by Blizz they can say either one is doing better than expected at any time, just more shuffling numbers and cloak and mirrors to look good for the investors.

    Personally with the current state of the game and BFA pretty sure Classic will have far more players online than Live for at least the first few months, how this continues will depend a lot on Live patch 8.2 and to be honest that doesn't look that good at the moment, there's nothing really new or exciting, yeah there's the neck changes, but in reality they are just a continuation of the multiple band aid fixes we have had over the whole expansion for the Azerite system.

    The next raid should be good, but otherwise there's nothing good coming in the future for live

    BFA has been a disaster from day one, its been nothing but endless promises of a bright future From Blizz that they have never delivered, From a business point of view Classic is what will keep Blizzards head above water until the next X-Pac.

    I think its funny the most exciting thing to come from blizz this X-Pac is a re-release of a 15 year old game, and yet they still say BFA is doing OK

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    Quote Originally Posted by clausuk57 View Post
    A lot of people who started in TBC, Wrath, Cata are also interested aswell.. And streamers will do a pretty damn good job advertising it to the broad audience.
    What you don't realize is, a great product speaks for itself, it doesn't need millions of dollars on marketing, it will do its job on its own.
    That first assumption is a bit wild. Just because people have not experienced Classic, does not mean that they aren't just tired of WoW in general. And streamers after a few weeks/months, follow the players. If Classic is not popular, streamers will not play it.

    A great product does speak for itself, but you still need to make people aware of it.

    Also, the product have spoken for itself, it did so 15 years ago, so what stops people from just saying it is something old and uninteresting. When people relaunched old products, they often have to justify the relaunch. Crash Bandicoot and Spyro did so with a complete graphic overall and with gameplay optimization. What does Classic have to hook in old and new players? If i already played Classic, had that experience and have no interest in doing that thing again, why should i play it.

    I think that is Classics main problem with it comes to attaining subs. It simply does not sell anything new to players, who already had their Vanilla experience, unless you really hunger for the old days.
    May the lore be great and the stories interesting. A game without a story, is a game without a soul. Value the lore and it will reward you with fun!

  16. #416
    There were only a couple of million subscribers during Vanilla. There has been over 100 million more subscribers since then who have never gotten a chance to experience the game that they've loved at its inception.

    You do the math.

  17. #417
    if they had launched it on the original talent trees, and progressed classes the same way they did during vanilla, it may have had a chance. but launching on 1.12; no way.

  18. #418
    Quote Originally Posted by clausuk57 View Post
    A lot of people who started in TBC, Wrath, Cata are also interested aswell.. And streamers will do a pretty damn good job advertising it to the broad audience.
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    Why do people keep making such claims. A lot. Majority. Etc. Yes, some people are excited about the relaunch of classic. But a lot? How does anyone knows this? Is there some magic crystal ball you people have?

    Quote Originally Posted by clausuk57 View Post
    What you don't realize is, a great product speaks for itself, it doesn't need millions of dollars on marketing, it will do its job on its own.
    It was a great product 15 years ago. It was a great product compared with other MMO at the time. Whether it will be still achieve that level of success, people just have to wait and see.

  19. #419
    Not a chance. It's a niche product for a niche playerbase.

    Quote Originally Posted by NihilSustinet View Post
    if they had launched it on the original talent trees, and progressed classes the same way they did during vanilla, it may have had a chance. but launching on 1.12; no way.
    Explain why launching with broken and non-tested talent trees is a good thing.
    Last edited by Arakakao; 2019-05-20 at 01:50 PM.

  20. #420
    Quote Originally Posted by Varleen View Post
    Not a chance. It's a niche product for a niche playerbase.
    This comment always brings me down to earth...i believe it to be true.

    I always wanted to know how big is the "true MMORPG community".
    We will find out with classic.

    Im still not sure if we are BIG or not. But Classic will keep me up to date.

    EDIT: Oh i forgot Blizzard doesnt release numbers anymore.......we will be in doubt forever, lel

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