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  1. #221
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    Venruki PVP casts for Blizzard of course he isnt going to bad mouth blizzard products.
    I'm gonna let 'em know that Dolemite is back on the scene! I'm gonna let 'em know that Dolemite is my name, and fuckin' up motherfuckers is my game!

  2. #222
    Quote Originally Posted by starkey View Post
    Venruki PVP casts for Blizzard of course he isnt going to bad mouth blizzard products.
    Not even just that. He's getting a good number of viewers for the first time in a LONG time.

    People are going to hype up shit that's buttering their bread - lets see how the tune changes when some of these streams are back down to their normal levels of viewership.

  3. #223
    -- See's 100k+ viewer spikes on other streams --

    Oh boi that classic lookin' good. Time to reverse any negative opinions and play.

    It'll be interesting to see what staying power it's got though, I can see myself jumping over to play instead of doing WQ's in spare time.. Raiding and PvP will probably just stick to retail.. The number required for classic probably won't be consistent after a few resets and having the fan base split won't make that any easier, Hell it's hard for groups on retail to keep grounps interested after a month now..

  4. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by duselsteiner View Post
    So much fun to collect all those zhevra hoofs. For hours.
    yes. good job showcasing you have no clue what you are talking about

  5. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by MardestyGSOG View Post
    What about that says that there isn’t a large player base for classic?
    The FREE part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qck View Post
    Not even just that. He's getting a good number of viewers for the first time in a LONG time.

    People are going to hype up shit that's buttering their bread - lets see how the tune changes when some of these streams are back down to their normal levels of viewership.
    Tried to explain this - they just ignore that logic, and the many, many youtubers and streamers saying its garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psykd View Post
    -- See's 100k+ viewer spikes on other streams --

    Oh boi that classic lookin' good. Time to reverse any negative opinions and play.

    It'll be interesting to see what staying power it's got though, I can see myself jumping over to play instead of doing WQ's in spare time.. Raiding and PvP will probably just stick to retail.. The number required for classic probably won't be consistent after a few resets and having the fan base split won't make that any easier, Hell it's hard for groups on retail to keep grounps interested after a month now..
    They wont listen - they like being pandered to. Anything that tells them what they want to hear - they will ignore any balanced discussions, and the multitude of negative streams / videos about classic.

  6. #226
    Played to 20 on beta now and although i only thought i'd play it to see how it is. I must admit it's great. The downtime between pulls and accidentally pulling couple more mobs can be very annoying but man the feeling after i completed 5 quest and heading back to town is so f good. I think when Classic is launched i'll level relaxed and enjoy the journy as much as possible. Leveling professions and doing every class quest. It's gonna be amazing.

    Meanwhile i'll stay play retail for my weekly raids and m+. Everyone's happy.

  7. #227
    Yes, because the vast numbers of people who've been watching Classic streams are only doing it because they are mindless robots who have to look at the latest new thing, it couldn't possibly be because there is genuine widespread interest in playing a proper social MMO.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/...ouch/?sort=new

  8. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by WowClassic View Post
    Yes, because the vast numbers of people who've been watching Classic streams are only doing it because they are mindless robots who have to look at the latest new thing, it couldn't possibly be because there is genuine widespread interest in playing a proper social MMO.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/...ouch/?sort=new
    pretty much this. All this hate from retail players have 1 single root. It is fear. Fear of retail stop being Blizzard focus if Classic will be sucessfull in long run. Fear of Blizard changing their instant gratification casino into actual mmorpg.

  9. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    The FREE part.

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    Tried to explain this - they just ignore that logic, and the many, many youtubers and streamers saying its garbage.

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    They wont listen - they like being pandered to. Anything that tells them what they want to hear - they will ignore any balanced discussions, and the multitude of negative streams / videos about classic.
    Yea nah... that’s not a real connection, that’s assuming that a large portion of the player base literally only plays because it’s free when in fact these are the people who have been asking and petitioning for vanilla servers all this time. Guess they’ll all just back out when the servers finally get here because these grown ass people can’t afford $15 a month. Shit there’s a BIG number of these people who are subbed and playing private servers because they dabble in retail but prefer vanilla, that was me all the way up until the absolute piece of shit known as BFA came

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psykd View Post
    -- See's 100k+ viewer spikes on other streams --

    Oh boi that classic lookin' good. Time to reverse any negative opinions and play.

    It'll be interesting to see what staying power it's got though, I can see myself jumping over to play instead of doing WQ's in spare time.. Raiding and PvP will probably just stick to retail.. The number required for classic probably won't be consistent after a few resets and having the fan base split won't make that any easier, Hell it's hard for groups on retail to keep grounps interested after a month now..

    Maybe it’s hard to keep groups interested because... and hear me out here... because the game is horrible now

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcusblood View Post
    They were playing for free.
    The same people playing this for years, petitioning for vanilla wow to be made official, many of them even being subbed while also playing private servers, are just gonna not okay what they’ve asked for for years because of $15 a month, right.

    $15 a month is literally not a big deal to like 90% of first world adults and for entertainment purposes most will gladly pay that, I mean there have been subs to wow this whole time, what the hell makes you think classic won’t have subs?

  10. #230
    Quote Originally Posted by Askyl View Post
    Give the family 4 out of 6 hours on average and it's still 10 hours a week, which is very much more than enough for both vanilla and another hobby. Could also try to invite your family to share this hobby with you My girlfriends entire family played WoW since release, that was their kind of family time. Anything is possible.

    I know I'm quite fortunte. I have 5 min drive to work and lots of spare time, but I'm quite sure the majority do have enough time to play.

    And you do know that Nihilum was a guild with pretty much a good mix with people with jobs and families right? They managed to get a few world firsts
    You transplant your experiences and the experiences of a minority onto the majority.

    Having such a short time to your work mean that you have less prep time and meaning you can get away with sleeping later. I had an internship that had me travel for 2 hours (public transportation sucks), for six months my WoW time dropped so much that I was offline for a month,

    This put me on the high end of the average, you're on the low end, the average is in between.

  11. #231
    Quote Originally Posted by marcusblood View Post
    They were playing for free.
    Some were playing for free, some were donating to keep servers running, some even donated really large amounts compared to a wow sub.

    This continous effort to make ppl that play or have played on pservers look like parasites that only play for free doesnt stick and makes me believe that you still didnt understand the composition of said player base.

    I'll even go further and say without a doubt, that if they release a pimped out classic collectors edition of some sort it will be a real sales sucess.

  12. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    pretty much this. All this hate from retail players have 1 single root. It is fear. Fear of retail stop being Blizzard focus if Classic will be sucessfull in long run. Fear of Blizard changing their instant gratification casino into actual mmorpg.
    Why would they be afraid of Classic being successful? Not sure if you're implying they'd change retail to be like Classic?
    I'm actually curious to see how Classic will do. I'm not interested in it, because it's still an old game and old concept, but I'm very much interested in seeing it as an experiment.
    If asked, I'd guess there will be some sort of playerbase but it'll be pretty small - mostly because, generally speaking, old things don't attract new people and old people don't have spare time for old things. But would this be called "hate"? I'd actually want to see Classic prosper, it could only mean good things for WoW franchise.

  13. #233
    Quote Originally Posted by Loveliest View Post
    Why would they be afraid of Classic being successful? Not sure if you're implying they'd change retail to be like Classic?
    I'm actually curious to see how Classic will do. I'm not interested in it, because it's still an old game and old concept, but I'm very much interested in seeing it as an experiment.
    If asked, I'd guess there will be some sort of playerbase but it'll be pretty small - mostly because, generally speaking, old things don't attract new people and old people don't have spare time for old things. But would this be called "hate"? I'd actually want to see Classic prosper, it could only mean good things for WoW franchise.
    It's curious you mentioned that. One of the things i noticed on Ion's recent interview about classic was when he mentioned that if the project was sucessfull lessons might be taken to implement on retail, maybe not his exact words, but the interview is on MMO's main page if you want to check it out. They are surely watching how it all unfolds.

  14. #234
    Quote Originally Posted by Tonkaden View Post
    Um you never played vanilla then. I ran a guild through all of Vanilla. We sold MC / BWL runs like it was going out of style lol.
    Come on... yeah, people sold runs and people bought runs. But if somebody found out you bought your run, you were pointed and laughed at. It was shameful. Even in Wrath, we used to check armory and if you had only one kill of each it meant you bought your run and we laughed about you.
    This was the case up to the end of MoP. After they introduced the heirloom weapons in Siege, people started selling left and right. Because the heirloom weapons were limited, people wanted them on all their chars to get them all and so on, bought runs were very efficient. After that, it became the norm - everybody and their mother sold something openly, even stupid things like no medal challenge mode run for that one item you got at the start of Warlords. Also adding the mount to heroic difficulty made buying runs more of a 'thing' than it was.
    Today, buying a run is normal, accepted and seen as a play style. This wasn't the case a few expansions ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deviant010 View Post
    For years I have read people (who probably pretend to have played vanilla) on this forum saying vanilla was bad and people think it was great because of nostalgia. Now classic beta is open we can finally have a fair comparison and it's funny to see how the nay sayers admit they were wrong after playing beta.

    I thought classic would be shit as I have already played during vanilla, I was right. Do you think one YouTube video is some sort of “win”?

  16. #236
    You couldn't pay me to go back and play classic. I played it when it was new and while it was good then and i had a lot of fun, times change.

  17. #237
    Quote Originally Posted by Fascinate View Post
    Obviously lol? Thats still 2-2.5 years of awesome content that will stay pretty hyped due to how they are releasing content in stages. Cool thing is the good WoW didnt end at vanilla, they could re-release TBC and wrath which in my eyes are just as good as classic all things considered (classic was better in some, tbc/wrath better in others).
    Trying to reason with classic fans is like talking with brick walls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loveliest View Post
    Come on... yeah, people sold runs and people bought runs. But if somebody found out you bought your run, you were pointed and laughed at. It was shameful. Even in Wrath, we used to check armory and if you had only one kill of each it meant you bought your run and we laughed about you.
    This was the case up to the end of MoP. After they introduced the heirloom weapons in Siege, people started selling left and right. Because the heirloom weapons were limited, people wanted them on all their chars to get them all and so on, bought runs were very efficient. After that, it became the norm - everybody and their mother sold something openly, even stupid things like no medal challenge mode run for that one item you got at the start of Warlords. Also adding the mount to heroic difficulty made buying runs more of a 'thing' than it was.
    Today, buying a run is normal, accepted and seen as a play style. This wasn't the case a few expansions ago.
    Idk about you, but everyone in my WoW social circles from mop up until today still laughs at people who buy boosts.

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    I'm probably fairly late to the party with this, but I am tickled by the title change of this thread.
    If World of Warcraft has taught me anything, it's that teaching a crowd something is far harder than teaching individuals.

  19. #239
    Quote Originally Posted by voidillusion View Post
    It's curious you mentioned that. One of the things i noticed on Ion's recent interview about classic was when he mentioned that if the project was sucessfull lessons might be taken to implement on retail, maybe not his exact words, but the interview is on MMO's main page if you want to check it out. They are surely watching how it all unfolds.
    Yeah, but I wonder what they could change.
    Are people who attracted by Classic attracted to it because it's an exact replica (more or less) of Vanilla? Would the same people be interested in retail with some changes? And how many should there be? Would retail people like retail more with Classic changes? Or are these just two separate player bases who'll never see eye to eye.

    For example, I've seen Cata make dungeons harder. People wanted TBC-like dungeons so we got some harder ones, aggro was a bit harder to keep compared to the end of Wrath, you needed interrupts, you needed CC, CC made mobs pull, you actually had mechanics that would wipe you if not done properly. I loved them, but I've seen half my guild quit WoW after a few weeks because they took hours to finish them.
    This is why, somehow, I don't really think Blizz can "go back". Even if they say so.

  20. #240
    Quote Originally Posted by imunreal View Post
    I thought classic would be shit as I have already played during vanilla, I was right. Do you think one YouTube video is some sort of “win”?
    Oh really, let's see a screenshot of your Classic character in game?

    And no it's not just one video, many people who were sceptical have admitted they were wrong to dismiss it and have been enjoying the game. For example Preach (high end raider on retail) has been making content for Classic when he said he had little interest in the past. He also admitted he was wrong on a podcast.

    Keep burying your heads in the sand, it just makes you look utterly foolish.

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