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    Quote Originally Posted by bloodykiller86 View Post
    catch ups were definitely not the reason for content droughts
    1) Expert top end players will always have content droughts. This is not who I am talking about

    2) 90% of playerbase will never beat current raid on proper difficulty, only on the new easy-mode before being skipped into next tier when it releases. Therefore their raid career per patch is short lived and they sit around aimlessly waiting with nothing worth doing.

    No matter when you joined or started raiding, you'l only ever, at max, have one raid available.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vibah View Post
    Hahahah... Dire Maul catchup? Are you comparing Dire Maul to modern days world quest or m+ dungeons where gear scale with each patch....?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annelie View Post
    They made gear better in a later patch wich made early raids more or less pointless. ZG and AQ20 was also a catchup mechanic.

    EDIT: Onyxia, ZG, AQ20, MC and BWL could be done easily with dungeon blues after the gear upgrade patch (and we will start with that one in the game).
    For 95% of players, ZG was run parallel with MC and Ony. It wasn't a place you just went to and than skipped to t2. hash tag #sorry not sorry.
    Content drought is a combination of catchup mechanics and no new content.
    Classic+ Retune/New Boss Abilities >>> #nochanges crowd

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    Clearly Classic/Vanilla is some form of audiovisual crack cocaine with the amount of people that's come out of the woodworks saying "I want to play more" when they're also people who've put probably 7 - 10 hours a day into the game for 14 years.


    EDIT- It's a really good video regarding how and why Classic is differing from retail from the perspective of someone who's been playing more than a majority of people throughout the entire games lifecycle.
    Last edited by Gungnir; 2019-05-28 at 02:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gungnir View Post
    Clearly Classic/Vanilla is some form of audiovisual crack cocaine with the amount of people that's come out of the woodworks saying "I want to play more" when they're also people who've put probably 7 - 10 hours a day into the game for 14 years.
    World of Warcraft is basically the equivalent of playing slot machines, with the guise of effort added in to enhance reward mechanisms. There are a lot of current and former players that are absolutely addicted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celista View Post
    World of Warcraft is basically the equivalent of playing slot machines, with the guise of effort added in to enhance reward mechanisms. There are a lot of current and former players that are absolutely addicted.
    I wouldn't really equate it with slot machines, but it's pretty clear that Blizzard didn't only catch lightning in a bottle with the timing of the games release, but also the design of it. Otherwise it would've never caught on.
    They just somehow managed to mask some faily simple and easy systems with a sense of grandeur and curiosity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcusblood View Post
    I can't really relate to that "sense of accomplishment" of gaining a level, when I mostly had to buy talent ranks from a trainer and get 1% more of something. It wasn't very intuitive from my perspective. But hey, just my opinion.

    When you are going from 1-120, every level can't have something. I'm not going to sit here and defend BfA, but I really did enjoy how talents, tier, legendaries, artifact abilities, and relics effected your gameplay. We aren't in a good spot in BfA. But saying that going back to a system that was considered groundbreaking in 2004 is the way to go sounds a little far-fetched.
    That's definitely another conversation.

    I suspect down the line they're likely to do a level squish, bringing it back down to reasonably manageable heights. But who knows. I agree you can't keep adding abilities (and for the record? I genuinely don't think the old talent trees are the best implementation of any of this. Just that they had certain advantages modern wow lacks.

    If I had to pick a single thing I miss from Classic its actually the inflated damage of several mobs. I liked CCing. I liked that element of target fire in instances instead of just AOEing packs down.

    If I had to pick a single thing I loathe about classic? The artwork. New models, races and transmog is a huge part of why I still play. I always raided to get matching sets because a lot of time the other stuff just... looked dreadful. (to each their own I know.... )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gungnir View Post


    Clearly Classic/Vanilla is some form of audiovisual crack cocaine with the amount of people that's come out of the woodworks saying "I want to play more" when they're also people who've put probably 7 - 10 hours a day into the game for 14 years.


    EDIT- It's a really good video regarding how and why Classic is differing from retail from the perspective of someone who's been playing more than a majority of people throughout the entire games lifecycle.
    Great video. I'm usually not a big fan of Preach, but this time, he perfectly described how I feel about Classic and retail. I also think that if Classic works, the community might be split in two, with on one side players looking for a more immersive and achievement oriented D&D kind of experience, and on the other side players looking for a more adrenaline and instant fun experience. I don't know if it'll be a good thing but at least, the part of the community that lost the first option with the changes of direction will now have something to enjoy.

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    With a Video title like "Everyone was wrong about Classic WoW" the guy seems like an arrogant cock I wouldn't want to listen to anyway.

    Also myself as a Classic Naysayer, I can't be wrong in my own opinion since I played Vanilla and remember how shitty much of it was compared to later iterations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    With a Video title like "Everyone was wrong about Classic WoW" the guy seems like an arrogant cock I wouldn't want to listen to anyway.

    Also myself as a Classic Naysayer, I can't be wrong in my own opinion since I played Vanilla and remember how shitty much of it was compared to later iterations.
    Force is actually quite fun to watch. He is not taking himself too seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    With a Video title like "Everyone was wrong about Classic WoW" the guy seems like an arrogant cock I wouldn't want to listen to anyway.

    Also myself as a Classic Naysayer, I can't be wrong in my own opinion since I played Vanilla and remember how shitty much of it was compared to later iterations.
    This is basically how I felt - it's how Preach felt if you watch his video too. I did basically everything in vanilla - ok, I didn't get Atiesh or bang the gong, or get GM, but most of everything else - enough that I felt done with it, and haven't really ever had the desire to play private servers.

    I got into the beta, honestly not really caring about it. Since that day though, I've logged into classic every day and am continuing to do so since my char hit 30.

    There's just something about it, and you have to experience it for yourself. Preach is right - this is the game I fell in love with. It's not one little thing you can point to as to why it's more fun but it is - I'm having a tonne of fun in classic right now.

    Honestly, give it a try when it launches, you may be surprised, even if you've done it all before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raeli View Post
    This is basically how I felt - it's how Preach felt if you watch his video too. I did basically everything in vanilla - ok, I didn't get Atiesh or bang the gong, or get GM, but most of everything else - enough that I felt done with it, and haven't really ever had the desire to play private servers.

    I got into the beta, honestly not really caring about it. Since that day though, I've logged into classic every day and am continuing to do so since my char hit 30.

    There's just something about it, and you have to experience it for yourself. Preach is right - this is the game I fell in love with. It's not one little thing you can point to as to why it's more fun but it is - I'm having a tonne of fun in classic right now.

    Honestly, give it a try when it launches, you may be surprised, even if you've done it all before.
    I will be, purely for a trip down memory lane. I dunno if I can get into it, I recently hammered into ESO, and I am enjoying doing the hardest content 1 Day a week and very little to prepare for it. I spend my game time on ESO doing stuff I enjoy instead of grinding such as PVP and skin runs in dungeons.

    Off topic, it has got awfully civil in here now that that wowclassic guy got banned!

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    Had the opposite...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shnider View Post
    I wouldn't say it was a backlash. It was a bunch of whiny people who don't want to spend more than half an hour everyday playing. Blizzard simply caved in to them.

    I find grinding one of the core foundations of an MMO. When you see someone with winterspring mount, you can tell that he went through a lot of trouble to get it. Makes it much more special. That's how an MMO is suppose to be, a few special/lucky players and the rest drooling at them.
    "Whiny people" had nothing to do with some players getting Sephuz and Prydaz - in their initial, nearly useless versions - and others lucking out with legendaries that gave out 20% damage increase and were used for the entire expansion. Combine this with the bugged bad luck protection promoting people who got two legos early and it was a total mess. Some people needed to grind for over a year to get their BiS items, other were done within couple months - myself included in the latter group. It was far from a "proper" grind, especially since the initial item balancing was horrendous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shnider View Post
    I wouldn't say it was a backlash. It was a bunch of whiny people who don't want to spend more than half an hour everyday playing. Blizzard simply caved in to them.

    I find grinding one of the core foundations of an MMO. When you see someone with winterspring mount, you can tell that he went through a lot of trouble to get it. Makes it much more special. That's how an MMO is suppose to be, a few special/lucky players and the rest drooling at them.
    The same grinding is there for Azerite armor, so stop being a hypocrite, or having double standards or w/e, because the backlash is similar to Legion's, the reason people are quitting more atm is because BfA is legion V2, and we remember Legion as it was in antorus, not as it was at its launch, when it was pretty horrible tbh. But it's alright, I can have my opinion, you can have yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shnider View Post
    when was I being hypocrite? I simply said that grinding is ok in an MMO.
    Actually this is my bad, I looked at your signature, and I thought you were another one of these ultra BfA haters, who boast how Classic will be popular long term compared to BfA, but looking at it better now, it seems like you aren't a blind hater. I sadly assumed that you were saying that BfA is much worse in terms of farming systems (azerite power over artifact power), than Legion, considering that they both had pretty much the same grinding requirements. BfA azerite was a bit less fun, true, but this is all getting fixed in 8.2. I apologise for reading your comment wrongly and calling you a hypocrite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awsyme View Post
    Sure. And a lot of the old trees were garbage (My Holy priest cursed the length of time its capstone was utter garbage). Should they have been better? Sure! Was it a perfect system? God no.

    BUT there's a sense of accomplishment and something to do each time you gain a level. Even if it's just working your way down a tree. Compare that to BFA which offers.... nothing. Absolutely nothing. And I understand why. Because at some point you're going to have to stop inventing new abilities for your players. Ones that probably only add complexity to rotations.
    Literally only reason why you don't feel "rewarded" for getting to next talent tier in BfA is because leveling experience is a joke (naturally, because the game had 7 expansions, level cap got inflated, "old" content simply doesn't matter anymore, you plow through it without putting any effort. So when you finally get your Rune of Power unlocked - you don't even know if you want to use it, since everything dies in just 3-4 GCDs anyways.

    BfA talents aren't exciting the same way as spending silver to learn Purify on your paladin isn't exciting - there is just nothing to do with it. Vanilla talents aren't much better, improved corruption? Great! Improved searing pain? What?
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    Quote Originally Posted by deviant010 View Post
    The new title is wrong though.
    nice try, but worst try
    You're getting exactly what you deserve.

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