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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    I fear that he and his team are way better prepared to fight in the upcoming elections than any other. This will be interesting if he gets reelected.
    Yeah, probably.

    But the socialists were in a bind anyway. If they wouldn't do it their party officials (try finding a translation for Funktionär...) are pissed, if they do maybe some voters. But i gotta question: If a voter is happy with Kurz anyway, why should he vote SPÖ in the first place? As you need both for the election, and as we all know in Austria it is extremely important to mobilize your officials - i think they didn't really have a choice.

    At first i was surprised why they voted against the whole government, and not just the chancellor, but it seems that this way the FPÖ was more likely to follow. They obviously wanted revenge on Kneissl. Good riddance.

    On another note, and a bit more for the rest of the people in this thread:

    You know our vice-chancellor, the guy who got very prominent last weekend? The politician who was quick to sell european interests to Putin? Well, he got his punishment. Austrians voted him into the EU parliament (originally he was on the last place of the list (which is common in austria, because he is the leader of the party, and some people just write the name of the party leader onto the ballot. Without the party leader being on the ballot that vote would be void otherwise.) but he got enough direct votes with people writing his name on the ballot - all in all about 35k votes (with an electorate of approx. 5 milion)) Böhmermann was right. We really are a nation of idiot pricks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Yeah, probably.

    But the socialists were in a bind anyway. If they wouldn't do it their party officials (try finding a translation for Funktionär...) are pissed, if they do maybe some voters. But i gotta question: If a voter is happy with Kurz anyway, why should he vote SPÖ in the first place? As you need both for the election, and as we all know in Austria it is extremely important to mobilize your officials - i think they didn't really have a choice.

    At first i was surprised why they voted against the whole government, and not just the chancellor, but it seems that this way the FPÖ was more likely to follow. They obviously wanted revenge on Kneissl. Good riddance.

    On another note, and a bit more for the rest of the people in this thread:

    You know our vice-chancellor, the guy who got very prominent last weekend? The politician who was quick to sell european interests to Putin? Well, he got his punishment. Austrians voted him into the EU parliament (originally he was on the last place of the list (which is common in austria, because he is the leader of the party, and some people just write the name of the party leader onto the ballot. Without the party leader being on the ballot that vote would be void otherwise.) but he got enough direct votes with people writing his name on the ballot - all in all about 35k votes (with an electorate of approx. 5 milion)) Böhmermann was right. We really are a nation of idiot pricks.
    We do deserve the government we have. Damn, I hope the spoe and green can gain some traction and maybe think outside the box and take a look at other countries and their policies, they could actually gain some votes.
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before.

    A bunch of times actually.

  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    We do deserve the government we have. Damn, I hope the spoe and green can gain some traction and maybe think outside the box and take a look at other countries and their policies, they could actually gain some votes.
    Though i'm one of these left-left goodies, i do not have a lot of hope. The SPÖ is hopelessly lost, and trying to find a message they can get behind - and they fail since neo-liberal socialism died with Vranitzky and Klima. What did Gusenbauer, Faymann, Kern and Redi-Wagner even stand for? Also i get annoyed that the try to overtake the FPÖ on the right side every opportunity they get, trying to fish from the FPÖ.

    The Greens... well if they can get past their internal strife, maybe. Though to be honest, while i do like the Greens still the most from a political point of view. There is no party i'm more disappointed in (apart from Jetzt maybe) because of this whole debacle with Glawischnig. The problem is: The greens were the party teaching us that private is political and vice versa. They greens had high moral standards, and selling yourself immediately to the worst business in the country is just horrible.

    Hell, i didn't expect more from the likes of Gusenbauer. But from the greens? And i'm still very bitter about that, and also how the greens handled themselves after that whole fiasco. No hint of remorse. Damn, I'm already getting angry typing this...

    It will be hard for me to decide in september. Yesterday it was at least an easy vote. There is only one party making european unification their top priority. And that party will alway get my vote in EU elections.

  4. #104
    Its very likely that Kurz will win the next election if i look at the European election .

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    Likely, but probably not 50%. So thew question remains: Which kind of government is possible afterwards?

    The FPÖ is now taboo for the next few years (and even if not, there wont be a coalition of Kurz - Kickl, and neither party will get rid of their guy)
    The SPö is not likely, as no one would like this coalition, and they don't trust each other

    Leaves as possibility:

    ÖVP + Neos, ÖVP + Greens, ÖVP + Greens + Neos - which would be interesting, as it would be similar to the previous government, but immigration etc. would be a 180 turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    There is only one party making european unification their top priority. And that party will alway get my vote in EU elections.
    Alle Menschen werden Brüder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Likely, but probably not 50%. So thew question remains: Which kind of government is possible afterwards?

    The FPÖ is now taboo for the next few years (and even if not, there wont be a coalition of Kurz - Kickl, and neither party will get rid of their guy)
    The SPö is not likely, as no one would like this coalition, and they don't trust each other

    Leaves as possibility:

    ÖVP + Neos, ÖVP + Greens, ÖVP + Greens + Neos - which would be interesting, as it would be similar to the previous government, but immigration etc. would be a 180 turn.
    Would any of those form a majority? My understanding is that it would be imposible to form a majority without two of the first three parties.

  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Would any of those form a majority? My understanding is that it would be imposible to form a majority without two of the first three parties.
    Currently: no, but there will be an election before the next government will be created. So we will see what happens (the green party is about to resurge probably)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Currently: no, but there will be an election before the next government will be created. So we will see what happens (the green party is about to resurge probably)
    I fear it will all come down to our fucking media. If they keep c/p what Kurz blurts out without fact checking the simplest things he will get reelected and probably gain a good amount of votes too.
    Quote Originally Posted by ash
    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before.

    A bunch of times actually.

  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Currently: no, but there will be an election before the next government will be created. So we will see what happens (the green party is about to resurge probably)
    Still though, the arithmetic seems harsh. Unless the Greens take a lot of votes away from your socialists and FPÖ loses voters back to ÖVP, I can't see how you can expect a swing of more than a dozen seats (and it would be a government with a minimal majority which is just not secure in a coalition). It will all come down to far right votes returning towards the center right I guess.

  11. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Still though, the arithmetic seems harsh. Unless the Greens take a lot of votes away from your socialists and FPÖ loses voters back to ÖVP, I can't see how you can expect a swing of more than a dozen seats (and it would be a government with a minimal majority which is just not secure in a coalition). It will all come down to far right votes returning towards the center right I guess.
    In Austria, it's very rare for people to switch and not vote on party lines - so a small minority is not that of a big deal (historically speaking).

    There are some theoretical possibilities: ÖVP + Neos + Greens seems possible even without a big shift over the summer.

    @Mayhem: What really annoys me is the slogan they use since yesterday: "The parliament does, but the people will decide". That's dangerous. Playing people against the parliament is how civil wars start. Not even the FPÖ does this shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    In Austria, it's very rare for people to switch and not vote on party lines - so a small minority is not that of a big deal (historically speaking).

    There are some theoretical possibilities: ÖVP + Neos + Greens seems possible even without a big shift over the summer.

    @Mayhem: What really annoys me is the slogan they use since yesterday: "The parliament does, but the people will decide". That's dangerous. Playing people against the parliament is how civil wars start. Not even the FPÖ does this shit.
    I don't even know what the övp are trying to achieve with this idiocy of a slogan because ultimately they will end up being in parliament again according to them not deciding stuff.

    WAT?
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before.

    A bunch of times actually.

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    Far right involved with Russians... not very shocking.

    The far right essentially love Russia because they're basically a right wing white ethno state

  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    I don't even know what the övp are trying to achieve with this idiocy of a slogan because ultimately they will end up being in parliament again according to them not deciding stuff.

    WAT?
    Well, it is all about being the victim. Now Kurz is the victim, because the bad parliament doesnt like him, but not only that - the population itself is also a victim, because the bad parliament is going against their wishes.

    Basically:


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