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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Remember when Europeans were burning people to death for having the wrong religion and being witches and then came to America and were shocked that another religion was cutting people heads off or their hearts out while they were hanging drawing and quartering people.... Tell me... is that not savage?

    Remember when the Spanish came and were astounded at the Aztec empire which had THE WORLDS LARGEST CITY WITH OVER 250K HABITANTS when the biggest city the Europeans had seen was about 50k while the Aztecs built large complex cities that were cleaner than Europeans but clearly they were the savages?

    Your post is based purely on ignorance of history.
    To be fair, Tenochtitlan was smaller and less developed than Rome or Constantinople at their heights (Rome had more than 250k people by 150 BC and Constantinople had 400k by 500 AD). So you mean it was bigger than any city in Spain at the time, because Europeans had had larger cities in their past. And witch burnings and the like were a rather localized affair, they didn't occur all over Europe. The Aztecs sacrificed 20,000 people in one day during a festival. The Spanish Inquisition killed maybe 2000 over its entire timeline. Both groups had their brutish customs, but it's pretty dumb to paint Europe as entirely a bloody backwater and the Mesoamericans as an enlightened people.

    So I wouldn't be calling out others' ignorance when you show a fair bit of it yourself.

    Beyond that, not taking sides in this rather dumb topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohwell View Post
    It's ok to lie about them though right? All of those evil white men storming through the jungles in Africa catching slaves.....oh you mean the Africans were selling slaves....shocker that people seem to ignore that. Nope it was all the western white men.
    Projecting much? Your one of those people who always complain about 'the race card' but the first one to bring it up. Wow.

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Zython View Post
    Maybe don't force them to work?
    Maybe they shouldn't do crime? It's a punishment. Do you have a better idea of how to punish people other than physically harming them?
    Man I've got some bad news for you about how genocides work.
    Oh, do tell me. Arresting people staying here illegally and kicking them out is genocide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheEnd View Post
    No worse than most civilisations throughout history. Western civilisation just looks bad because it existed at a time when a lot of bookkeeping was done. Do you think past civilisations were as stringent as the West at recording their conquests?
    I never said that Western culture is worse than this or that. I simply said its important to acknowledge the past and learn from it, to not repeat its faults.

    We shouldn't just 'get over stuff' because it makes us uncomfortable. We remember it so we don't repeat it.

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by ohwell View Post
    Gotta love those ICE places that were operating sine Obama era. If Trump claims economy, it's Obama. If people bring up ICE, it was Trump.
    I personally blame Bush for it, honestly. Trump just accelerated it.

    Also, it's not genocide. Stop crossing the border illegally. It's not slavery, stop breaking the law..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Veknazel View Post
    Maybe they shouldn't do crime? It's a punishment. Do you have a better idea of how to punish people other than physically harming them?
    It's amazing how it's never crossed your mind that if rich people profit off of convicts, it will encourage more people being locked up, not fewer.

    Oh, do tell me. Arresting people staying here illegally and kicking them out is genocide?
    Here's an example of what I'm talking about.
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  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Zython View Post
    I personally blame Bush for it, honestly. Trump just accelerated it.



    Is the hispanic population being targeted by the government with the purpose of eradication or did I miss something.
    Your problem is that you’re more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right.

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Raybourne View Post
    Actually it hasn't changed form at all. It's merely more represented in non-western countries, since the west has advanced socially and morally. But I guess the mind needs things to be "just as bad as they always were" in some strange equilibrium, so people pretend that wage slavery is just as bad as slavery, or that lynchings are a real threat, or that police violence is a real threat. Those are significant concerns, in other cultures. The things underlying this proposed guilt culture still haven't been eradicated outside the west.
    It's interesting that you're claiming that the West(TM) solved slavery and lynching when the US has a larger percentage of the population locked up than the Gulag Archipelago, and police are murdering black people at a rate higher than the peak of Jim Crow-era lynchings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Give Sethrak Blizz View Post
    Is the hispanic population being targeted by the government with the purpose of eradication or did I miss something.
    Quite a few things, actually. Like this, for starters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zython View Post
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    Did you miss the part where it says with the intent to destroy an ethnical or racial group, etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veknazel View Post
    Did you miss the part where it says with the intent to destroy an ethnical or racial group, etc?
    Are you claiming they're exclusively targeting Hispanic people on accident? That seems like a stretch.
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    It's not about guilt, it's about remembering the past so it doesn't get repeated. No one is guilt tripping southerners for having confederate roots, but instead pointing out their heritage with the confederacy shouldn't be something one brags about. It's just the past. They fought a war to support slavery*. Remember that, learn from that. But no one's asking them to take personal blame for shit that happened 150+ years ago.

    *50 years of political infighting over slavery, confederate diaries, constitutions and articles of succession all distinctly and conclusively prove the war was over slavery, so GTFO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zython View Post
    Are you claiming they're exclusively targeting Hispanic people on accident? That seems like a stretch.
    Of course it's not an accident. The reason is that illegal immigrants are almost exclusively Hispanic, since the US has a common border with Mexico.

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    Getting pretty thirsty in these parts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veknazel View Post
    Of course it's not an accident. The reason is that illegal immigrants are almost exclusively Hispanic, since the US has a common border with Mexico.
    This is gonna blow your mind, but there's another border.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zython View Post
    This is gonna blow your mind, but there's another border.
    Do we have a large amount of Canadian illegal immigrants that ICE is ignoring on purpose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    It's not about guilt, it's about remembering the past so it doesn't get repeated.
    If that was true, why is there such passion behind scrubbing (offending acts and persons) from history ?

    You can't have a teachable moment when it becomes a thoughtcrime to remember the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veknazel View Post
    Do we have a large amount of Canadian illegal immigrants that ICE is ignoring on purpose?
    Yes, we actually do. It's also an open secret that if you really want to come over illegally you come through anywhere but the southern border. All you catch down there are the impoverished and migrant workers without papers.
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    guilt is part of being a human being, with a soul and a conscience

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halicia View Post
    If that was true, why is there such passion behind scrubbing (offending acts and persons) from history ?

    You can't have a teachable moment when it becomes a thoughtcrime to remember the moment.
    There isn't.

    Removal of statues from public parks is not the same as removal of names from history books.
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  20. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Because Western culture is guilty of a lot of horrible stuff in recent history. The best way to learn from and not repeat the series of events that led to those acts to is to not forget them.
    Absolutely agree, I would recommend being careful with your choice of words as you make it sound like they are unique, and that Japan isn't the sickest country that truly should've been hit with a Tzaar instead of Hiroshima, or China that still encourages and uses practises such as concentration camps, as well as multiple different kinds of punishments that does not actually directly punish the perpetrator, but their family and loved ones. The World is a messed up place, Asia is still a sickening place with their mentally insane governments, The Middle east is propably the best argument against vigilante justice that we see in movies now adays, atleast Asia can hide behind the government and avoid blame, the entire middle east just has a sick and twisted culture that makes their people behave like devils. and Honestly i wouldn't even want to get started on Africa.

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