Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
His problem isn't his face. His problem, like so many libertarians, is that he's an idiot. Anyway, don't let me interrupt you in the process of repeating that Southern Strategy talking point about welfare causing poverty as a pretext to cut social programs.
For the rest of you, this is an excellent demonstration of why "guilt" is such a large part of Western culture. Because the process of iteration means that the philosophies used to justify past atrocities carry cultural baggage into present ones - namely, the relationship between the entire idea of Supply Side Economics and the need for certain people to advance an economic agenda that would enable them to keep blacks as an underclass.
History is a pack of tricks that the dead play upon the living.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
I think what you mean is that he has a different viewpoint than you, and since you have been raised to believe in your own infallibility that in spite of his massive amount of academic degrees and years of research that you in fact must be right and he must be evil. What you have is called a god complex, not sure if there is a solution but best of luck.
Guilt is a part of any culture. It's something people feel. In most Asian cultures, dedication to the happy life of elders is something to feel guilty over while we often leave them to die in some shit places.
Guilt manifest in many different ways. It's not always bad, not always good. It's a potentially constructive feeling anyone can have.
What's worse is when people feel like they are owed an apology for something they never experienced.
Every country in history has been guilty of horrible crimes against humanity. I don't feel guilty about it because I wasnt even born then, but what I do try to do is be better by learning from it. It;s how we all evolve.
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On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
I'm wondering what your idea would be, since the only significant change in the 60s is more civil rights and welfare. There's also the element of tribal 'togetherness' when black americans were singled out and that would theoretically lead to a banding together and a greater sense of community. You can also point to the black migration to the industrialized, urbanized north, where education was more important to get a job. Unemployment and crime levels might coincide with the latter period of this, leading to subsequent generations that degenerated in family structure. You could also point to black american culture as being distinct and not having enough of an emphasis on education or discipline; the contrast is quite stark with some asian groups that have immigrated.
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In the 70s black America saw a little bit of economic upswing as did the rest of the country. That upswing wasn't enough to undo 100 years of post Civil War socioeconomic disparity and wasn't enough to weather the store of the 80s.
I'm not going to go into great detail but Reagan's economic policies created an environment where the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. He also cut or restricted a number of socioeconomic programs. Programs that poor people relied on. Black at the beginning of the 80s had more spending power than 10 years prior but still had a sizable 'poor' population.
That's not all though. During this time period, we also have the crack epidemic. We established that poor/working class black people were moving to the cities. We'll so was crack. In a tough economy, crack provided a means to put food on the table. I a tough economy without social programs, crack was a coping mechanism. In a tough economy, with drugs thrown in the mix, competition drives up street crime, feeding a habit drives up petty crime. The inner cities that black people lived in and were moving to were a trap of dreams and misfortune. Poor families units were destroyed by this poison flooding the streets. Crime rose 20% during the 80s.
Then you Reagan's War on Drugs which only irritated the situation even more. I can write for days about this but the rise of the private prison industry, jail practices that create a vicious cycle for poor people, uneven sentencing guidelines, I can keep going. Poor communities, which might as well be synonymous with black communities, were devastated. Fathers in jail, mom can't support the children or has a habit. Welfare is cut. Social programs are cut. Teen tries to get a job to help out but there aren't enough opportunities for everyone that aren't drug related. Dad gets out, has his rights revoked, no license, no one will higher him. Goes back to the streets. Repeat, repeat, repeat.
The irony of it all is was let to the crack epidemic, and the War on Drugs, and the already shit economy for people.
Since we're on the subject of remembering history... There was no influx of cocaine (and subsequently crack) to the inner cities without South America. South America was not pushing drugs into the US without a cause or aide. That aide was the US funding Contras in South America. The US got its money by dealing arms in the Middle East. At the same time, you had feds officially unofficially in the dope. Apparently, your boy Reagan was mostly out of the loop of the government doing all of this under his watch.
The 80s were wild. All the way back to the question of, 'wtf happened to black people between the 60s and 2010s? The 80s.
Huge lie/misconception/stereotype, whatever you want to call it. Black America greatly values education. There research to back that up. Whats not high is perceived access to a good education, for a lot of reasons.You could also point to black american culture as being distinct and not having enough of an emphasis on education or discipline; the contrast is quite stark with some asian groups that have immigrated.
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Probably so. The factors you've mentioned are really just 'aggrevators' as you mentioned, not primary causes. An even more likely factor (I'm sure you've heard about) would be lead poisoning which is responsible for a hefty IQ drop and increase in crime.
I don't get it?Apparently, your boy Reagan ...
Source?Huge lie/misconception/stereotype, whatever you want to call it. Black America greatly values education. There research to back that up. Whats not high is perceived access to a good education, for a lot of reasons.
Are you really fucking doing this? Shifting the goalposts instead of just admitting you were wrong? Look, it's OK that you didn't know this stuff (at least, not the scope of the problem). It goes against what we were raised to believe. But the facts are there in plain English. If you want to live in perpetual denial, I can't stop you. But if you're going to insist on poisoning the discourse with your hangups, I'm going to have to politely ask you to leave.
Not sure what you're on about IQ but crime data and the crack epidemic go hand in hand. The lead theory relates to overall violent crime, which was down trending in the 80s, while drug-related/adjacent crimes were way up. Lead levels had been down for a decade (going on two) by the time drugs reached 'epidemic' levels in the inner cities. And like I said, that's on top of Reagan 'trickle down' economics that screwed over the poor.
http://news.rice.edu/2013/11/12/afri...ary-education/Source?
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https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1090572.pdf
Despite the socioeconomic hurdles, the black education gap has done nothing but climb at an increasing rate (you can google that on your own).
Everything I wrote was related to policy in the 80s. Reagan's era, which came right after the 'official' end of Jim Crow policies (end doesn't mean minorities suddenly recovered from that era).Apparently, your boy Reagan ...
I don't get it?
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It pretty much seems that way when something like "It's ok to be white" is called racism and pretty much anyone standing against anti white racism is a white nationalist or nazi. Nobody sane is saying nazis are good people. However, saying "there were bad people on both sides" in Charlottesville, which was true, somehow means that nazis are good people....
Guilt is part of christianity's DNA,
it's a liberal/leftist tactic to sow dissent into the white populaces of western countries.
it works, because Western countries are the most progressive, open minded people in the world and it will work on them... which is ironic, that the most open minded people in the world are being subjected to guilt for things that most of the rest of the world still do.
Western countries are the most progressive when it comes to treatment of women, gays and people of color aswell. They're also the most targeted by those groups, because they allow it. Imagine a bunch of feminists or gays marching in a non western country for equal rights... they'd be dead within hours. Trans people don't even exist in most of the non-western world, besides like Thailand or Taiwan(can never remember which one it is) and that's probably because of rich old white dudes.
Take another modern technological country that is probably above most Western standards like Japan. They're racist, sexist and probably homophobic... a very conservative country and yet they don't suffer guilt... or liberals/leftists. Paradise! xD
Anyways, guilt is stupid. You ever own a slave? No? You ever beat a women or treat them like an object? No? You ever stone a gay person or treat them like they're worse? No? Then you have no guilt and any PC/SJW that tries to make you feel like you do, isn't worth your time.
Not all liberals/leftist do push guilt, the more intelligent ones seem to understand how stupid and hypocritical that is.