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    From NYT:

    Julian Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amendment Issues

    For most of American history, it was rare to treat the leaking of government secrets to the news media as a crime. But starting under the Bush administration, the Justice Department began making much more routine use of the Espionage Act to go after officials who provided information to the public through reporters, as opposed to actual spies. The World War I-era law criminalizes the disclosure of potentially damaging national security secrets to someone not authorized to receive them.
    On its face, the Espionage Act could also be used to prosecute reporters who publish government secrets. But many legal scholars believe that prosecuting people for acts related to receiving and publishing information would violate the First Amendment. That notion has never been tested in court, however, because until now the government has never brought such charges.
    Though he is not a conventional journalist, much of what Mr. Assange does at WikiLeaks is difficult to distinguish in a legally meaningful way from what traditional news organizations like The New York Times do: seek and publish information that officials want to be secret, including classified national security matters, and take steps to protect the confidentiality of sources.
    The Obama administration had also weighed charging Mr. Assange, but rejected that step out of fears that it would chill investigative journalism and could be struck down as unconstitutional. A Justice Department official declined to address whether there was any new evidence that had come to light recently or whether the Trump administration had simply decided to take a step the Obama administration had shied away from.
    They still have a brain.

    Even so, the fact that Assange (and Chelsea Manning) are in this situation makes me incredibly salty and I am not ashamed to say it makes me kinda rage inside. He represents what I cherish deeply, the rebel that is risking their life to sink a knife in the heart of the most powerful entity on Earth.

    I have about -100% hope that Trump would pardon him.

    Besides a miracle, I hope that him being locked away for probably life will give new life to hacktivism and result in the US, Russia and China, and pretty much everyone else, getting their most shady secret crap spilled all over the web. The internet was supposed to allow for us, the population, to hold these untouchable people responsible.

    Also, I want to remind everyone here that is rejoicing that the real war criminals never seen jail and are protected. Assange did nothing wrong in comparison.

    All of this being said, feel free to mock me for feeling this way, it's cool.

    PS: if you support Trump, this is the proof you cannot ignore that he's human trash, betraying anyone without a care in the world, including YOU, his supporter and voter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    All he needs to do is blow some dog whistles Trump's way and he'll get a pardon. A couple, 'remember how Wikileaks exposed Clinton' or some bullshit
    It'll be well after inauguration day before Assange is convicted. Trump will need to be re-elected if Assange has any hope of this scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Wouldn't it be more like "Breaking into the mob bosses house to get the evidence.... is" - it's not like he was responsible for the actions *in* the leaks.

    Sorry may seem like splitting hairs at this stage.
    The crime is the assistance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CryotriX View Post
    They still have a brain.
    Because they agree with you? Do you often find surprises in people without a brain, finding one, as soon as they agree with you? Because to me, based on Wikileaks choice of what to target and their communication with the administration, there is a pretty good argument that can be made that it’s propoganda and not journalism. Just because him targeting US gives you a boner, doesn’t make it any less propoganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    The crime is the assistance.
    They didn’t just leak the documents... their twitter fucking implied that the dead baby satanic rituals were in the leaked emails. The guy has a huge grudge against Clinton... People who loath Clinton, will find sympathy for him. Not be cause he made the truth available, but because the spin he added was exactly what this audience craved... simple as that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CryotriX View Post
    All of this being said, feel free to mock me for feeling this way, it's cool.
    You didn't even bold the best part.

    The Obama administration considered charging Mr. Assange under the Espionage Act but never did out of concerns that such a case could chill traditional journalism.


    There’s of course a rain on your wedding day quality to the fact that Assange worked to bring the authoritarian Trump to power on some misguided notion that doing so would strike a blow against the security state.

    All that bashing of Obama and Hillary has come home to roost.

    I'm sure Gleenn Greenwald will just be furious on his next Tucker appearance

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    Fucking good I really don’t care who destroys this POS.
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    It is quite amazing how many of you couldn't not grasp the concept of the government's dirty laundry being made public. I just hope if some of you will end up in one of those CIA black project prisons, like Romanian one, for example, there will be no one to tell the world, where exactly they sticking those wires to make you talk. And before you will say, that would never happen to me: you have no idea where life can get you down the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    their twitter fucking implied that the dead baby satanic rituals were in the leaked emails.
    Is this what you're referring to?



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    This is what the Clinton campaign does to unwind lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    It isn't a freedom of press issue if he helped Chelsea Manning break into the servers to get the info. From my understanding, that is what happened. Which is why he is being charged with the Espionage act.
    That's not actually what happened. Manning did have communications with someone about trying to crack a password but that information did not lead to manning getting access to the leaks he handed over and there is no evidence that it was assange who even tried to help. There was no conspiracy to hack on the part of assange and the US knows this.

    These people don't play fair and they know it. Is no one concerned that manning is in jail again mysteriously either after refusing to testify against assange? They have no evidence and they're probably torturing manning to get what they want to justify taking assange down despite having no evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pipebomb View Post
    Is this what you're referring to?
    No bud, I meant this:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks...50623404113920

    The Podestas' "Spirit Cooking" dinner?
    It's not what you think.
    It's blood, sperm and breastmilk.
    But mostly blood.
    Insane...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pipebomb View Post
    This is what the Clinton campaign does to unwind lol
    You know what’s funnier? A free speech advocate, attacking art for political gain.
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    I'd have more sympathy if this guy's "leaks" weren't just a way for him to further his* own political narrative.

    He selectively exposed information to drive a narrative. That's not "the truth," as his supporters purport, it's selectively exposing some while knowingly shielding others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I'd have more sympathy if this guy's "leaks" weren't just a way for him to further his* own political narrative.

    He selectively exposed information to drive a narrative. That's not "the truth," as his supporters purport, it's selectively exposing some while knowingly shielding others.
    You act like declaring a one man war against a specific country can't possibly be considered unbiased!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CryotriX View Post
    From NYT:

    Julian Assange Indicted Under Espionage Act, Raising First Amendment Issues



    They still have a brain.

    Even so, the fact that Assange (and Chelsea Manning) are in this situation makes me incredibly salty and I am not ashamed to say it makes me kinda rage inside. He represents what I cherish deeply, the rebel that is risking their life to sink a knife in the heart of the most powerful entity on Earth.

    I have about -100% hope that Trump would pardon him.

    Besides a miracle, I hope that him being locked away for probably life will give new life to hacktivism and result in the US, Russia and China, and pretty much everyone else, getting their most shady secret crap spilled all over the web. The internet was supposed to allow for us, the population, to hold these untouchable people responsible.

    Also, I want to remind everyone here that is rejoicing that the real war criminals never seen jail and are protected. Assange did nothing wrong in comparison.

    All of this being said, feel free to mock me for feeling this way, it's cool.

    PS: if you support Trump, this is the proof you cannot ignore that he's human trash, betraying anyone without a care in the world, including YOU, his supporter and voter.
    The Wikileaks dumps had exactly what the predicted effect was: the US government spent a few years rebuilding what was compromised, and ultimately what Manning, Snowden and co dumped aged into relative uselessness.

    The best move the US government can do is disestablish the NSA... and then re-establish it as a classified agency that doesn't officially exist, much as it was for decades.

    But no, your hero's didn't sink a knife into the heart of the most powerful entity on earth. More like they gave it a black eye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    All he needs to do is blow some dog whistles Trump's way and he'll get a pardon. A couple, 'remember how Wikileaks exposed Clinton' or some bullshit
    Trump throws anyone under the bus after they've served him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Where's the mention of dead baby satanic rituals? Where'd that come from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pipebomb View Post
    Where's the mention of dead baby satanic rituals? Where'd that come from?
    That comes from the word implied... why are they bitching about art anyway? Are they art critics? Are they going to post about Ozzy biting bats? Maybe start a new wave of fear over Alice Cooper? WTF?
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    If he hadn't spent a decade obstructing justice and refusing to stand trial for sexual assault, and his organisation wasn't a transparent patsy for Putin, I might have some sympathy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pipebomb View Post
    Where's the mention of dead baby satanic rituals? Where'd that come from?
    Far right conspiracy theory.

    Basically they got the email dump from wikileaks and went trawling through it looking for all the dirt they were sure must be there. They found nothing, but drove themselves so insane in the process they ended up with "spirit cooking", "Seth Rich" and "pizzagate".

    Pretty comical illustration of what happens when a bunch of conspiracy loons get together online and egg each other on to bigger and bigger leaps of illogic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CryotriX View Post
    Even so, the fact that Assange (and Chelsea Manning) are in this situation makes me incredibly salty and I am not ashamed to say it makes me kinda rage inside. He represents what I cherish deeply, the rebel that is risking their life to sink a knife in the heart of the most powerful entity on Earth.
    Chelsea and Snowden perhaps.

    Assange, not for a long time now, and possibly not ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Basically they got the email dump from wikileaks and went trawling through it looking for all the dirt they were sure must be there. They found nothing, but drove themselves so insane in the process they ended up with "spirit cooking", "Seth Rich" and "pizzagate".
    He knows... he is banking on that tweet from Wikileaks seeming benign enough, that he can act confused because the words dead babies, are not in it. Instead, it’s like commentary from right wingers, when Alice Cooper or Ozzy came to town in the 70s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    He knows... he is banking on that tweet from Wikileaks seeming benign enough, that he can act confused because the words dead babies, are not in it. Instead, it’s like commentary from right wingers, when Alice Cooper or Ozzy came to town in the 70s.
    It was a trap you got me :P

    But the spirit cooking is right there in text and video. I wouldn't call it satanic (Alex Jones). It's occult magick mixed with art imo.

    Marina Abramovic has said that the context in which a ritual performed in is what defines its intention. If it is performed in a gallery, then it is art. Yet, if it is performed in a private setting then it is much more intimate and spiritual.

    The origins of Spirit Cooking can be found in the preludes to production of the Cake of Light material, a sacrament in the religion of Thelema which was founded by Aleister Crowley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pipebomb View Post
    It was a trap you got me :P
    Your inability to realize what you are doing, is not a trap. It’s called blind bias... Jesus fucking Christ... trap you in text, on a forum... I must be a stable genius...

    PS: don’t bring your pets around Ozzy...
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