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  1. #181
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    You don't get to cry about Propaganda while literally posting a state sponsored journalist without looking dumb.
    No, I'm complaining about your lies. So get lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy View Post
    Kangodo, these counters are dogshit, and you know they are. I'm not going to even dismantle them when you yourself don't believe what you are saying.
    No, so far you haven't debunked a single thing. Come back when you're old enough to have a grown up discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    No, I'm complaining about your lies. So get lost.

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    No, so far you haven't debunked a single thing. Come back when you're old enough to have a grown up discussion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    You guys are really pushing the propaganda.
    I hate how people just accept whatever is being thrown at them, they don't even notice that every day we suddenly have a new thread coming up.
    Your first post here, Captain "Propaganda is a useless term".

  3. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Yes, I am.
    Because I studies it and came to the logical conclusion that it's better.

    You are literally spewing capitalist propaganda because you're too scared and brainwashed to try anything else.

    See, you're promoting propaganda that can easily be debunked.

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    You should tell that to all the people voting in their elections and referenda, they didn't know that.

    Spoken by someone who hasn't read a single page of socialist ideology.
    Even if I generally refrain from posting here any longer, it's been quite a trip to watch your gradual descent into madness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    Your first post here, Captain "Propaganda is a useless term".
    Okay, I should have used "bullshit stories".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Even if I generally refrain from posting here any longer, it's been quite a trip to watch your gradual descent into madness.
    It's a full-time occupation, at least until I get banned again because mods don't care about any of the other personal attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Okay, I should have used "bullshit stories".

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    It's a full-time occupation, at least until I get banned again because mods don't care about any of the other personal attacks.
    1. You decided propaganda was a joke term after coming in to talk about it.

    2. I'm fucking dying over your martyr complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post


    It's a full-time occupation, at least until I get banned again because mods don't care about any of the other personal attacks.
    Kangodo: We should nuke the west
    Mods: banned
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    You had your chance to make something special of this, Internet, and you fucked it up.
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    We are in this thread with Elba, therefore we are all Elba.

  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by BoltBlaster View Post
    Its million now? Those numbers grow every month here. I'm sure next week it will be tens of millions.

    Its funny how people defend radical islamists when it suits them. But when they are called ISIS, suddenly they become bad guys.

    China is multicultural country, contrary to what your media tells you. There are many nationalities living within one country. None of them have issues, except for radical islamists and some crazy monks.


    Perfect summary for this thread. Pushing fake news and propaganda as facts, mobbing on anyone that disagrees with them, while presenting nothing but conspiracy theories.
    So your contention is that every Uyghur thats in an internment camp is there because they are a terrorist? At least you're admitting they exist, i'd think even doing that would be a ding to your social credit score.

  8. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy View Post
    He has no connection to China, he just hates the West. He sees China and Russia as being anti-west so he defends whatever they do.
    The funny thing is that both Russia and China are turning out far more fascist that the West that he derides. But fascists were one party states as well so I guess that it makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P for Pancetta View Post
    He chuanbin there.
    you are an ass, and i want to be friends with you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    The funny thing is that both Russia and China are turning out far more fascist that the West that he derides. But fascists were one party states as well so I guess that it makes sense.
    I mean say whatever the fuck you want about the West and I will agree a lot of the time, because we have issues, but at least we don't have fucking life-long presidents. That shit is such a dead giveaway of an oppressive state and it has been for hundreds of years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy View Post
    I mean say whatever the fuck you want about the West and I will agree a lot of the time, because we have issues, but at least we don't have fucking life-long presidents. That shit is such a dead giveaway of an oppressive state and it has been for hundreds of years.
    That's because we live in relatively new nations with only hundreds years of history rather than thousands, 1/4 the population, triple the economy and living in a nation built on the backs of slaves and stolen land. I mean we're well in recognition of this, so that's why we have the freedom to criticize our own governments and whatnot. That's why immigrant families come here, it's technically a better life. But at the same time we also face the unique (dare I say first-world) problems granted by all this freedom - freedom to spread misinformation, freedom to change the government around and tear down systems that were voted in just 4 years prior, freedom to go forwards while going backwards. There's no true suffering faced here, few of us living here have faced actual terrorism or actual war (at least in NA). Hell, an epidemic is one of our least concerns, all things considered.

    When we're talking about a country that has such a high population where people can freely move around within the nation, the fear of terrorism is substantial and true. With a history of being exploited by foreign powers and division of the country from internal politics and strife going back centuries, even millenia, it's no wonder that China has reinvented itself the way it has. I mean if you delve into Chinese history, it's been taken over by outside powers and inside powers hundreds of times over. The current government is probably the strongest ever seen in the history of their nation, but it becomes very fragile if left open to the same freedoms we have in the west. We bicker amongst ourselves by favouring left/right ideals and tear at the foundations of our own government every time there's a shift. That already happened in China and they saw the results of internal strife- it allowed the Japanese to invade China. They aren't going to make the same mistake again after the revolution, and it's why they're so zealous in stomping out any religious-based terrorism they deem a threat to their society, be it Falun Gong, Uyghur muslims or others. It's totalitarian and it's strict, and it works. We see this resocialization as a bad thing only, and it's a terrible thing, but in the context of the Chinese government it's working towards a unified country, not one separated by culture or creed and left with radical ideals that can tear away at the systems they've worked so hard to build.

    Their stance comes from a deep rooted history of internal conflict and having seen how internal politics lead to a complete fracture of their nation. What we observe here from the West is through tinted glasses - How can we judge a nation that is clearly tackling its own issues when we're unable to tackle our own? A handful of refugees enter the country and the government and society flips out. One terrorist event in the US turned the country around. Well, this is what China has been dealing with internally since... forever. It's a damn shame this is what is happening, but at the same time at least they're dealing with the terrorism problem rather than pretending upping security and diplomacy has lead to anything constructive. Unfortunately there is no sure-fire solution to religiously-fueled terrorism. That's the simple truth.

    Bad example incoming, but I feel like it's looking at a zombie apocalypse. We're all treating zombies like they're a threat we have to contain, while China is trying to stomp it out completely through extreme means and breaking whatever human rights to do it. We're judging them now for their methods, but who will win out in the long run? We don't know if we can cure the zombies, even if we try our best to do so. But there might never be a cure, so we might be the losers in the long run and it would be our hubris and foolishness that leads us to our demise. We're not even thankful that we are a nation far from conflict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    That's because we live in relatively new nations with only hundreds years of history rather than thousands, 1/4 the population, triple the economy and living in a nation built on the backs of slaves and stolen land. I mean we're well in recognition of this, so that's why we have the freedom to criticize our own governments and whatnot.
    The US isn't the only nation in the West. Europe is old and wasn't built on slavery and stolen land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith
    The difference between the aftermath of Kent State and Tiananmen Square should be pretty evident for anyone not engaging in whataboutism.
    You are capable of being more nuanced than that. Each was a tragedy, each was a symbol in it's time, both are now old enough that there are adults who did not live through those days. Yet somehow it seems people who have at best a loose understanding of events in China (for example, Tank Man wasn't killed in the moments after that picture) keep pushing the old regime change dialogue. Since there aren't exactly a lot of Chinese, or even Asian posters here, Hubcap's threads are basically playing into hyping up the echo chamber -- look at the responses in them to South Korean or Vietnamese posters who don't fall in line. Was the aftermath different? In a way, but mainly because Kent State got swept under the carpet and is barely remembered. Tank Man too, really. Perhaps Huang Huang really believes, but I don't discount that this was a stunt to keep him in the good graces of foreign donors

    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes
    You spent your activity in the inflatable sculpture thread you mentioned convincing people how totally chill China is about Tienanmen square and how they don't suppress information about it.
    One point three billion people and a history of warlords and cults of personality, China is the social equivalent of a crowded theater. If your reading of my words was that China is totally chill about it you're trying to see things as black and white when they aren't.

    Since I'm told you're from Poland, I don't particularly have a dispute with you. I wasn't there, but I watched the early stories about Solidarity. Those were important events that fit their times, and you would be rightly proud of them. China is working with a larger population, spread over a lot more land, and based on different cultural values, but I can understand if you choose to discount those factors.

    Is what I said inconsistent? No, things aren't really as two dimensional as internet squabbling tends to be. The US is "chill" with dead baby jokes, jokes about terrorists, or jokes about bombs. They aren't illegal on their face, but tell a bomb joke in the wrong place at the wrong time and don't be surprised if you end up on some lists and possibly having some nice folks talk to you. I've already had class discussions about Tank Man and other topics. Nobody bothers to give a damn because bungee isn't much of a public figure, but Huang Huang tries to be and that puts him much more under the lens.

    Since debate here tends to get sorted on some flavor of red team/blue team (or alt-right vs. whatever the current buzzword is) let me address my politics directly. I did my time in the American political system, in a pretty corrupt eddy of it (corrupt, as in the governor later got jailed for some of the things). My practice was focused on international law and international trade. I came here to see things first hand, and I stay because I enjoy the students. My interest in political systems of all stripes at this point can be summed up with a quote from Deng Xioaping "it doesn't matter if it is a cat is black or white as long as it catches mice". Personally, I find that China is increasingly going back to being a bureaucracy, with "the Party" filling in the traditional role of the Emperor sitting walled away in the Forbidden City. That seems to work for them though.

    What I find missing from these threads is ironically a sense of individuality. China gets talked about as if it is a termite mound, with a queen, drones, and warriors. It isn't. The same regulation gets read and enforced different ways from province to province and often from city to city. The Party is no more monolithic than either the Democrats or the Republicans, both of which will tell you what their platform stands for while at the same time there are all sorts of internal factions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Post
    "barely exists" is a weird way to try to hand wave. Especially when you go on to admit it is terrible and is in the works.
    What should we call it then, Schroedinger's Directive? It is something that has been announced, it isn't really in effect although there are various experiments, and since it doesn't really exist it is as vague as similar attempts to address things like social media outside of China. I can't say I've heard of a single one where people think it is a great example of lawmaking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap
    Are you ethnic Chinese?
    And right there, the Yellow Peril aspect of his posting becomes clear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron
    I know because I used to do the same until I learned about it. So much Western interpretation through filters.
    Makes a difference doesn't it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katie N
    Wtf? No weapons? xD What is this? Restricted training environment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerogue View Post
    They couldn't have just taken down the picture?

    Just seems like another in the long line of China's government being comically thin-skinned about anything that could be interpreted as being critical of them, in doing so only reinforcing exactly why people are so critical of them.

    How long can they keep this going before a revolt, seems like the only question worth asking. They're utilizing the modern advances in surveillance and human control to prolong it, but that's all I see it as, prolonging the inevitable. Would be funny if it backfired so hard that the resulting people declared technology evil and basically became Amish.
    They are going to be fine as long as they can get those results, its going to be epic when China enters its first recession in a while. The party has been trying its best to prevent it at all costs with billions of stimulus and tons of CO2 emmited as a result, but it can't go on like that forever.
    Your problem is that you’re more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right.

  15. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    On average we have a thread bashing China every four days over the last 5 months.
    Half of them come from Hubcap.
    it deserves a lot more bashing
    The results of islamic supremacy
    2019: 952 islamic terrorist attacks in 43 countries, in which 5,583 people were killed and 5,751 injured.
    35,327 islamic terrorist attacks since Sept 11 2001

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    I visited China’s capital not six weeks ago for business. Assigned to me a whole team of people to make sure I was as happy as one can be, a personal driver, a guide, a translator (my PA speaks Chinese fluently but it’s always better to have people think we can’t hear what they say), some burly looking guys for security and waygu steak for breakfast. Gotta love communism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    On average we have a thread bashing China every four days over the last 5 months.
    Half of them come from Hubcap.
    Most of those threads are just news articles though, nationbashing is an enforced rule on this forum.

  17. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Democratic communism? AHHAHAHAHAHHAHA Or did you think that people would like to stay in union, no matter how much changed, which got them in there with force? Right...
    It was communism in name only for long time anyway.

    Majority wanted to stay in union - and considering all wars and nationalistic flare-ups this breakout created, not to mention economic collapse from broken supply chains, they were right.

    It created millions of extra deaths. One of worst catastrophes of modern times.

    Yes, the only way. Show me another. Let me guess, China's way? Where you are OK as long as you never speak up? xD
    You know, Glasnost? Perestroyka? People were speaking up for long time already with no repercussions when breakdown happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bungeebungee View Post
    Obviously if size of population and economic potential are relevant -- which I haven't seen anyone try to establish (and would probably result in fewer posts from Finland) -- then we should have a hell of a lot more posts from India that aren't love and black magic spam. Come to think of it, I think I post most of the few we do see. This has very little to do with population and a great deal more to do with America having chosen China as our FOTM enemy. After all, we declared the USSR defeated, and ISIS too, so something has to keep the bucks rolling.
    Or maybe it's due to China's consistent poor human rights record?

    We most likely don't talk about it often enough. The biggest country on Earth, an up and coming superpower, is a corrupt dystopia. That should be bigger news than whatever outrage is sweeping Twitter today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by infinit View Post
    it deserves a lot more bashing
    It's a nice change of pace from all the us bashing threads we have.
    Do you hear the voices too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce
    Or maybe it's due to China's consistent poor human rights record?
    Then let's have clear, rational discussions on matters instead of thinly veiled Yellow Peril stuff. Seriously, the guy posting most of these just whipped out "are you ethnic Chinese" in a reply and anyone who has actually visited China and had different experiences is automatically dismissed out of hand -- page back and look how @De thuong
    gets blown off. It isn't about human rights, it is a stage for people to throw around stuff like "shithole" without getting infracted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katie N
    Wtf? No weapons? xD What is this? Restricted training environment?
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