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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    What if people want a real democracy
    Then they won't be looking to China.
    No ideology has been more murderous or detrimental to human dignity than Communism
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    The Ottomans brought civilization to Greece.
    Oh my...

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Cizr View Post
    When my country was under USSR control several hundred thousand people emigrated from it. Noone imigrated into our socialist paradise from evil capitalist West.

    I wonder why
    And how many emigrated after USSR control was lifted? Could you provide a comparison?

  3. #63
    Commie supporter talking about democracy....what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    And how many emigrated after USSR control was lifted? Could you provide a comparison?
    I will try

    1948-1990 500k people fled from commie regime.

    1990-2007 (dont have data past 2007) Roughly 40k I guess. Data from this are skewed because after 1990 we had big surge of workers from Ukraine who usually worked here for a year and when they return to their home countries they count as Czech emigrants in statistics


    source : https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2004/...on_country.pdf

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/975536363364696064
    Ian Goodrum is a good journalist, you should read his segment on the "social score".

    So you and your personal attacks can just fuck off.

    Well, this is interesting. Right in his description - Valiantly upholding the immortal science of Marxism by posting online. If he was just a western journalist I'd say he was naive, but seeing where he works that's a pretty laughable description. Marxism prescribes prison labor and ethnic conflict!?

    Further down he has a bunch of anti-India stuff. That's just schilling for a nation-state, or in his case the foreign government that pays him. That's fine, but hard to take the high minded principled claims of being a real Marxist seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    And how many emigrated after USSR control was lifted? Could you provide a comparison?
    Probably helps when the walls get taken down.

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    I have an answer, but I doubt you're smart or honest enough to understand it.

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    He wasn't arrested. That's the entire point, you're spreading fake news.

    Want to tell me I am wrong? Give me the police report.
    https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/05/2...ssacre-report/

    His house was raided, his personal belongings were confiscated, he was forcibly removed from his home and is being held against his will. Arrested is the word we use in English to describe that kind of event.

    On a side note, while I don't agree with pretty much anything Zenkai ever says on these forums, engaging in personal attacks instead of responding to his question is not only poor form on your part, but also against forum policy.

    Oh, and you never did respond to question posed by the original post. It's sad, really, because I'd enjoy hearing your thoughts on why you seem to think that what they did was okay. It seems like you have no interest in actual dialogue, however, as you name call consistently and never actually give your thoughts and reasoning on the original post. Unfortunate for those of us with open minds and a willingness to discuss things.
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  6. #66
    That country is rotten and corrupted to the core. Freedom of speech is basically non-existent and on their forums like Baidu you are at the mercy of moderators who abuse their power incessantly. Moochamp vs Baidu is like heaven and hell.

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    And then you look at the actual election results since 1989 in the former soviet block.
    BIG OOPS

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSRilk View Post
    https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/05/2...ssacre-report/

    His house was raided, his personal belongings were confiscated, he was forcibly removed from his home and is being held against his will. Arrested is the word we use in English to describe that kind of event.

    On a side note, while I don't agree with pretty much anything Zenkai ever says on these forums, engaging in personal attacks instead of responding to his question is not only poor form on your part, but also against forum policy.

    Oh, and you never did respond to question posed by the original post. It's sad, really, because I'd enjoy hearing your thoughts on why you seem to think that what they did was okay. It seems like you have no interest in actual dialogue, however, as you name call consistently and never actually give your thoughts and reasoning on the original post. Unfortunate for those of us with open minds and a willingness to discuss things.
    Of course he was arrested. Anyone not seeing that is well......has their own personal agenda maybe?

    Apparently not. As that shit happens all the time on here.
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  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    Yeah any place with re-education camps and social credit scores is a great place to live.
    Let me guess, you prefer immigrant detention centers in which children are sexually abused by the staff and private credit scores?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bungeebungee View Post
    Ah, good! Then you're a citizen of China and qualified to comment on what China is or should be? No? Then I suppose that we'll be closing this and all future Hubcap on China threads because by that standard nobody here is qualified to talk about them.

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    How many "social credit" points do you get for a post like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freefolk
    How many "social credit" points do you get for a post like that?
    Probably fewer than you do for your constant spamming.

    As I've said before, I'm over here doing things like teaching Constitutional Law and cross culture communication. I prepare Chinese students to go overseas and study, where they will be exposed to foreign ideas/ideals and will bring them back. What are you doing, keyboard hero? I'm betting that I'm doing more for social change here than you and your usual echo chamber combined have done.

    And if a thirty year old symbol is supposed to hold meaning for you, what do *you* do to remember Kent State. Unlike China thirty years ago, the US had been out of feudalism for more than a century. We sent in armed soldiers with fixed bayonets against our students. The tanks in front of tank guy ... stopped. The soldiers at Kent State fired on those who protested the US extending military operations into Cambodia. Then again, maybe the reason you are so fast spamming Tank Man threads is to make sure people focus on something outside of the US.
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    Wtf? No weapons? xD What is this? Restricted training environment?
    Commenting on "anything goes" for martial arts and self defense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    You should your bias by not even daring to address the content of his posts.

    No, just to white nationalists like you.
    And you end up dying due to a lack of medicine and food anyway, so I don't really give a fuck.
    Capitalism always ends the same.
    You are literally spewing communist propaganda. Calling me childish buzzwords with no proof won't help your sad case.
    Talking about lack of medicine and food... the irony. But its not that funny to take shits over the victims of communism with your stupidity.
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  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by freefolk View Post
    That fucking tank man. I remember people saying tank man "threw his life away for nothing. So what? His sacrifice won't make a difference."

    And here we are in 2019 and tank man is growing stronger every day.

    Do you think it's right for the Chinese government to arrest a man over an image?
    They didn't run him over and no one is really sure who he was or what happened to him after. The one thing we do know is that he did not die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Nope, it's the exact same thing.
    Trying reading a book.

    Unlike you I actually studied this.
    The people wanted to keep the SU alive, so the government did a coup against the democratic system and overthrew the USSR despite the majority voting in a referendum to keep the USSR.
    Then, 5 years later, in the election of 1996 the US helped Yeltsin to rig the election so they wouldn't return to communism.
    Both the Russian government and the US government openly admit this.
    The USSR was not a democratic system no matter how much they called themselves that. If you think that they were democratic even if even the people who want that system back does not think so you are just delusional. Communism might have its selling points but democracy isn't one of them.

    Also, socialism and communism might be related but they are absolutely not the same thing. Socialism is anything that is owned "socially" and communism is when everything of substance is owned that way. It is basically a difference of quantities.

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Najnaj View Post
    The USSR was not a democratic system no matter how much they called themselves that. If you think that they were democratic even if even the people who want that system back does not think so you are just delusional. Communism might have its selling points but democracy isn't one of them.
    The only USSR referendum happened in 1991. Exactly because USSR was already moving in democratic direction.

    And could have moved further without dissolution.

    But people like Yeltsin and his advisors thought "Listening to people? Maintaining existing ties? Seeking consensus? Noone has time for that! We already know that Western way is the only way! Got to burn entire system and shed all those useless satellites that weight us down, so that we can get to glorious future!"

    ...and, well, we're in that glorious future right now, almost thirty years later.

    And people don't like it. They didn't like burning down part too, and still hold grudges about that.
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  15. #75
    I don't know what I find less surprising; the event, or the fact there's immediately people handwaving it, ranging from forum commie, to Chinese international propaganda offices top supervisor himself. Seems to go that way when it's about certain touchy subjects on China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vorkreist View Post
    You are literally spewing communist propaganda.
    Yes, I am.
    Because I studies it and came to the logical conclusion that it's better.

    You are literally spewing capitalist propaganda because you're too scared and brainwashed to try anything else.

    Talking about lack of medicine and food... the irony. But its not that funny to take shits over the victims of communism with your stupidity.
    See, you're promoting propaganda that can easily be debunked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Najnaj View Post
    The USSR was not a democratic system no matter how much they called themselves that. If you think that they were democratic even if even the people who want that system back does not think so you are just delusional. Communism might have its selling points but democracy isn't one of them.
    You should tell that to all the people voting in their elections and referenda, they didn't know that.

    Also, socialism and communism might be related but they are absolutely not the same thing. Socialism is anything that is owned "socially" and communism is when everything of substance is owned that way. It is basically a difference of quantities.
    Spoken by someone who hasn't read a single page of socialist ideology.

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by De thuong View Post
    Wtf? xD I live in Vietnam. We don't value individual freedom as much as you Americans do. I don't think any country in Asia does.
    Well that explains plenty.
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  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Because the capitalists like to claim the people didn't want the USSR.
    But there was a referendum and the majority wanted it, so they overthrew it with a coup.

    It's not the people getting rid of the USSR; it's the USA getting rid of it.
    In 1996 they even had to sabotage the elections to prevent communism from returning, they openly admit this. Both the US and Russian government are open about this, but nobody bats an eye because nobody cares about meddling with elections or going against democracy if the rich guys do it.
    Oh yes, we in Baltics most definitely left the USSR because of American influence, mhm, suuuuuure.
    Oh, and all the jews which emigrated the fuck away from USSR the moment they had the option to do so most definitely did it because USA WANTED IT, right?
    Poland also probably loved the shit out of being behind the Iron Curtain and certainly morned the fall of USSR, riiiiiiight?

    Cut the crap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    The only USSR referendum happened in 1991. Exactly because USSR was already moving in democratic direction.

    And could have moved further without dissolution.

    But people like Yeltsin and his advisors thought "Listening to people? Maintaining existing ties? Seeking consensus? Noone has time for that! We already know that Western way is the only way! Got to burn entire system and shed all those useless satellites that weight us down, so that we can get to glorious future!"

    ...and, well, we're in that glorious future right now, almost thirty years later.

    And people don't like it. They didn't like burning down part too, and still hold grudges about that.
    Fuck the empire of evil. Communism does not and cannot work.
    Western system IS the only way for the average person. Everything else sucks and continues to suck. Or tries to imprison and kill you.
    But hey, its you, so it does not matter. To you genocide done by USSR also didn't matter, so nothing else will.

  19. #79
    Regardless of what is happening in East or West this news is NOT ok. But I understand its not easy to stand against government in those countries, you don't want to ruin your life for nothing.

  20. #80
    it's amazing that the West wants to move TOWARDS what China is doing by policing social media.

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