China arrests filmmaker Deng Chuanbin because of Tweet

[Cizr]

Because the capitalists like to claim the people didn't want the USSR.
But there was a referendum and the majority wanted it, so they overthrew it with a coup.

When my country was under USSR control several hundred thousand people emigrated from it. Noone imigrated into our socialist paradise from evil capitalist West.

I wonder why

[Bildur]

[QUOTE=Kangodo;51232142]Tibet is already free, Mao freed it from the monks.

I'm not so sure the people of Tibet celebrated having their monks and nuns raped and murdered and their country stolen. Maybe thats just me.

[cparle87]

On average we have a thread bashing China every four days over the last 5 months.
Half of them come from Hubcap.

Instead of attacking people for making anti-China threads, have you ever stopped to wonder WHY they make these threads and WHY they are always getting new ammunition? Or do you get no further than the 'lolpandas' people did and turn your brain off?

[cparle87]

Because we're in a new cold war and the people in charge of the US are pushing propaganda because they want to keep their profit.
Can you imagine how fucking scared people like Jeff Bezos and Tim Cook are?
What if people start liking China?
What if people see how happy the Chinese are?
What if people want a real democracy, want real taxes on corporations and even want to take away their 200 billion and use it for themselves?

These people have been fighting socialism for 150 to 200 years. Why do you expect them to stop now?

I don't give a fuck if they want to go back to the "good old days" as long as they keep their damn troops out of the rest of the world.

Except you're talking about socialism. Communism is an entire different beast. One that can only be maintained by brutal authoritarianism. Remember how the Soviet Union fell? Their president made the mistake of actually allowing a free election and every Soviet leader got voted out of office.

Also, can you really call it happiness when it's enforced by the mantra of "so much of say that something might not be ok and you'll be arrested"?

[RobertoCarlos]

Artist/free thinker has problem with living under tyranny and does a soft protest.

Doesnt surprise me.

Will anyone do anything about China? No only the chinese people can once they get sick of living in hell

[Ozyorkbourne]

[QUOTE=Bildur;51232167]

Tibet is already free, Mao freed it from the monks.

I'm not so sure the people of Tibet celebrated having their monks and nuns raped and murdered and their country stolen. Maybe thats just me.

Guess they're all busy being literally bred out by all the Han Chinese being imported in to the region to breed them out while taking every noteworthy position of employment, especially in administrative roles.

[Stelio Kontos]

What if people want a real democracy

Then they won't be looking to China.

[Shalcker]

When my country was under USSR control several hundred thousand people emigrated from it. Noone imigrated into our socialist paradise from evil capitalist West.

I wonder why

And how many emigrated after USSR control was lifted? Could you provide a comparison?

[Cizr]

Commie supporter talking about democracy....what?

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And how many emigrated after USSR control was lifted? Could you provide a comparison?

I will try

1948-1990 500k people fled from commie regime.

1990-2007 (dont have data past 2007) Roughly 40k I guess. Data from this are skewed because after 1990 we had big surge of workers from Ukraine who usually worked here for a year and when they return to their home countries they count as Czech emigrants in statistics


source : https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2004/...on_country.pdf

[Marakesh]

https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/975536363364696064
Ian Goodrum is a good journalist, you should read his segment on the "social score".

So you and your personal attacks can just fuck off.

Well, this is interesting. Right in his description - Valiantly upholding the immortal science of Marxism by posting online. If he was just a western journalist I'd say he was naive, but seeing where he works that's a pretty laughable description. Marxism prescribes prison labor and ethnic conflict!?

Further down he has a bunch of anti-India stuff. That's just schilling for a nation-state, or in his case the foreign government that pays him. That's fine, but hard to take the high minded principled claims of being a real Marxist seriously.

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And how many emigrated after USSR control was lifted? Could you provide a comparison?

Probably helps when the walls get taken down.

[DSRilk]

I have an answer, but I doubt you're smart or honest enough to understand it.

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He wasn't arrested. That's the entire point, you're spreading fake news.

Want to tell me I am wrong? Give me the police report.

https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/05/2...ssacre-report/

His house was raided, his personal belongings were confiscated, he was forcibly removed from his home and is being held against his will. Arrested is the word we use in English to describe that kind of event.

On a side note, while I don't agree with pretty much anything Zenkai ever says on these forums, engaging in personal attacks instead of responding to his question is not only poor form on your part, but also against forum policy.

Oh, and you never did respond to question posed by the original post. It's sad, really, because I'd enjoy hearing your thoughts on why you seem to think that what they did was okay. It seems like you have no interest in actual dialogue, however, as you name call consistently and never actually give your thoughts and reasoning on the original post. Unfortunate for those of us with open minds and a willingness to discuss things.

[lockybalboa]

That country is rotten and corrupted to the core. Freedom of speech is basically non-existent and on their forums like Baidu you are at the mercy of moderators who abuse their power incessantly. Moochamp vs Baidu is like heaven and hell.

[stevenho]

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comm...iss_communism/

Oops...

And then you look at the actual election results since 1989 in the former soviet block.
BIG OOPS

[Ghostpanther]

https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/05/2...ssacre-report/

His house was raided, his personal belongings were confiscated, he was forcibly removed from his home and is being held against his will. Arrested is the word we use in English to describe that kind of event.

On a side note, while I don't agree with pretty much anything Zenkai ever says on these forums, engaging in personal attacks instead of responding to his question is not only poor form on your part, but also against forum policy.

Oh, and you never did respond to question posed by the original post. It's sad, really, because I'd enjoy hearing your thoughts on why you seem to think that what they did was okay. It seems like you have no interest in actual dialogue, however, as you name call consistently and never actually give your thoughts and reasoning on the original post. Unfortunate for those of us with open minds and a willingness to discuss things.

Of course he was arrested. Anyone not seeing that is well......has their own personal agenda maybe?

Apparently not. As that shit happens all the time on here.

[Nerovar]

Yeah any place with re-education camps and social credit scores is a great place to live.

Let me guess, you prefer immigrant detention centers in which children are sexually abused by the staff and private credit scores?

[Independent voter]

Ah, good! Then you're a citizen of China and qualified to comment on what China is or should be? No? Then I suppose that we'll be closing this and all future Hubcap on China threads because by that standard nobody here is qualified to talk about them.

[snip]

How many "social credit" points do you get for a post like that?

[shadowmouse]

How many "social credit" points do you get for a post like that?

Probably fewer than you do for your constant spamming.

As I've said before, I'm over here doing things like teaching Constitutional Law and cross culture communication. I prepare Chinese students to go overseas and study, where they will be exposed to foreign ideas/ideals and will bring them back. What are you doing, keyboard hero? I'm betting that I'm doing more for social change here than you and your usual echo chamber combined have done.

And if a thirty year old symbol is supposed to hold meaning for you, what do *you* do to remember Kent State. Unlike China thirty years ago, the US had been out of feudalism for more than a century. We sent in armed soldiers with fixed bayonets against our students. The tanks in front of tank guy ... stopped. The soldiers at Kent State fired on those who protested the US extending military operations into Cambodia. Then again, maybe the reason you are so fast spamming Tank Man threads is to make sure people focus on something outside of the US.

[Vorkreist]

You should your bias by not even daring to address the content of his posts.

No, just to white nationalists like you.
And you end up dying due to a lack of medicine and food anyway, so I don't really give a fuck.
Capitalism always ends the same.

You are literally spewing communist propaganda. Calling me childish buzzwords with no proof won't help your sad case.
Talking about lack of medicine and food... the irony. But its not that funny to take shits over the victims of communism with your stupidity.

[Najnaj]

That fucking tank man. I remember people saying tank man "threw his life away for nothing. So what? His sacrifice won't make a difference."

And here we are in 2019 and tank man is growing stronger every day.

Do you think it's right for the Chinese government to arrest a man over an image?

They didn't run him over and no one is really sure who he was or what happened to him after. The one thing we do know is that he did not die.

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Nope, it's the exact same thing.
Trying reading a book.

Unlike you I actually studied this.
The people wanted to keep the SU alive, so the government did a coup against the democratic system and overthrew the USSR despite the majority voting in a referendum to keep the USSR.
Then, 5 years later, in the election of 1996 the US helped Yeltsin to rig the election so they wouldn't return to communism.
Both the Russian government and the US government openly admit this.

The USSR was not a democratic system no matter how much they called themselves that. If you think that they were democratic even if even the people who want that system back does not think so you are just delusional. Communism might have its selling points but democracy isn't one of them.

Also, socialism and communism might be related but they are absolutely not the same thing. Socialism is anything that is owned "socially" and communism is when everything of substance is owned that way. It is basically a difference of quantities.

[Shalcker]

The USSR was not a democratic system no matter how much they called themselves that. If you think that they were democratic even if even the people who want that system back does not think so you are just delusional. Communism might have its selling points but democracy isn't one of them.

The only USSR referendum happened in 1991. Exactly because USSR was already moving in democratic direction.

And could have moved further without dissolution.

But people like Yeltsin and his advisors thought "Listening to people? Maintaining existing ties? Seeking consensus? Noone has time for that! We already know that Western way is the only way! Got to burn entire system and shed all those useless satellites that weight us down, so that we can get to glorious future!"

...and, well, we're in that glorious future right now, almost thirty years later.

And people don't like it. They didn't like burning down part too, and still hold grudges about that.