China arrests filmmaker Deng Chuanbin because of Tweet

[Dextroden]

Thats great, but I mean, should someone be arrested for that?

Yes. Because reminding people about something that totally didn't happen (this is a joke) is dangerous propaganda.

[Mehrunes]

Its million now? Those numbers grow every month here. I'm sure next week it will be tens of millions.

Its funny how people defend radical islamists when it suits them. But when they are called ISIS, suddenly they become bad guys.

China is multicultural country, contrary to what your media tells you. There are many nationalities living within one country. None of them have issues, except for radical islamists and some crazy monks.

Except it's been million for months now. And there sure as shit isn't a million Islamic terrorists in China, given how they haven't had a terrorist attack in years. The most other Chinese shills could provide was some Chinese sources about just five thousand Uyghurs joining ISIS. And those, according to China itself, left China. Which doesn't exactly create much justification for China's treatment of Uyghurs that are still in China.

[Dextroden]

Its China, so yes. He was only arrested and questioned though, not jailed. Its like a slap on wrist.

Its a common trend among bad filmmakers to do political stunts. Works very well in Hollywood. Who would have guessed it wouldn't work in China? Pretty much everyone with half a brain.

I wonder why they're touchy about that.

[luciano]

No, it really isn't. People are pushing this propaganda because they are preparing the population for war.
China is beating western corporations and they want us to defend our system with blood.

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Investopedia, the best source in the world :')

I suggest you read State and Revolution from Lenin. It's the same thing.


Ah yes, because everything you don't like is suddenly bullshit?


Nope, it's a communist country. Try again.

China hasn't been communist in like 30 years. Catch up with the rest of the world, old man.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

Its China, so yes. He was only arrested and questioned though, not jailed. Its like a slap on wrist.

Its a common trend among bad filmmakers to do political stunts. Works very well in Hollywood. Who would have guessed it wouldn't work in China? Pretty much everyone with half a brain.

I can't believe someone is in favor of being arrested over a political cartoon.

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Actually, after digging a bit further by just googling his name, its not the first time he did it. In 2015 he was supposed to speak on some conference in Geneva about human rights in China. So yes, he's a repeat offender, so called "human rights activist". Such behaviour is not welcome in China and he perfectly knows it.

So its not about just tweet. He has done it before, was warned, but continued to push western politics to China.

I don't give a flying fuck if this is his 1000th time. Is this morally correct? I don't care if it happened in China, the Moon, or in the middle of your asshole.

Is this morally correct? Its a yes/no.

[Amerissis]

Do you think it's right for the Chinese government to arrest a man over an image?

Nope. Now what?

[Najnaj]

Yes, I am.
Because I studies it and came to the logical conclusion that it's better.

You are literally spewing capitalist propaganda because you're too scared and brainwashed to try anything else.

See, you're promoting propaganda that can easily be debunked.

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You should tell that to all the people voting in their elections and referenda, they didn't know that.

Spoken by someone who hasn't read a single page of socialist ideology.

Did you have a point to make or did you just want to say "NO U!" in enough words to disguise it.

[NED funded]

Really? Could you provide some actual proof? The only thing was shown is photos few buildings.


Exactly because they take preemptive measures. They educate religious nut jobs instead of waiting for them to blow up people.

Those numbers come from the UN

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/poli...-uygurs-secret

The most the CPC managed to come out with to justify their response was the 2009 riots and a couple of knife attacks incidents. The whole policing any Muslim-like behavior and building up camps to lock people that amount of people doesn't naturally come.

If you put in the context of Chinese history though, it's not that surprising. Mao's minority policy of re-educating minorities groups because they were deemed backward should ring a bell.

[Triceron]

I don't give a flying fuck if this is his 1000th time. Is this morally correct? I don't care if it happened in China, the Moon, or in the middle of your asshole.

Is this morally correct? Its a yes/no.

Well considering the Chinese culture is based on upholding the good of the people and using censorship as a means to maintain that moral standard, it is morally correct. The context is important, and it gets lost in discussions here in the West because we tend to glaze over the fact that controlling a nation of billion+ people is not something any of us have experience with.

We see all the bad things that propaganda and censorhip does to free speech, human rights etc but let's put it this way - Flat Earthers and Anti-vaxxers don't exist in China. That kind of stuff gets stomped out. Anti-vax causing an outbreak would affect hundreds of millions of people, and it's not as easy as 'allowing you freedom to live your anti-vax lifestyle' which can spiral out of control in a nation with a billion+ people. China already has to deal with the diseases it's already got, let alone have them spread from rural areas to the big cities just because some idiot thinks vaccines cause autism.

While we don't agree with or fully understand the severity of what this filmmaker is doing, and it's more politically driven than anything actually harmful, it's the idea that this leads to unhealthy thinking that can hurt the rest of the nation that drives this strict and seemingly totalitarian rule.

If you say the place it happens in doesn't matter, then there's no moral conflict since you shouldn't also be applying any western morality to the situation in the same context. We already see some of the dangers that comes with freedom of speech, freedom of thinking and how misinformation spreads so quickly amongst social media, causing HUGE sociopolitical issues. People get fired for tweets. And the population here isn't even at any critical point where any of that shit matters, so we let it fly. But if the west were still a developing country with 4X the population and 1/2 the resources then you can kiss some freedoms goodbye. Our social structure would completely bend and break at those numbers.

[Powerogue]

They couldn't have just taken down the picture?

Just seems like another in the long line of China's government being comically thin-skinned about anything that could be interpreted as being critical of them, in doing so only reinforcing exactly why people are so critical of them.

How long can they keep this going before a revolt, seems like the only question worth asking. They're utilizing the modern advances in surveillance and human control to prolong it, but that's all I see it as, prolonging the inevitable. Would be funny if it backfired so hard that the resulting people declared technology evil and basically became Amish.

[Triceron]

The population of China says it is, and they actually study Marx in school.

You really don't know much about China, do you?

[luciano]

You really don't know much about China, do you?

Or, for that matter, communism.

Hint for the OP: It's not sorted out by an alleged opinion poll.

[Easo]

Do you want me to post the link again?
I know you've seen it.. Or are you just going to call them retarded because they disagree with you?

Yes, it works so amazingly well.
How far are you willing to go to keep that "great" system in power?
Are you going to open Dachau again and kill all the communists?
Are you going to send anyone to camps if they want to abolish it?
Hatred towards capitalism is growing and growing and growing.

If you think that communism is getting more popular you are delusional.

Because democracy is answer to everything, right? Just look at US, they don't even have democracy, they have 2 party fake democratic system where politicians take turns to screw people, people don't even get to vote for their president, they have massive partisan idiocy and spend millions on bullshit. Uneducated morons even claim that US is land of free (the only freedom they have is freedom to be screwed by politicians and corporations) and democratic country.

If democracy works for your country, good for you. Let other people choose what they like.

Western attempts to bring democracy to places that didn't need it resulted in deaths of millions, enrichment of oil corporations and misery for people west claimed to be helping. You need to wake up, see countries outside of your democracy bubble and you'll realise that nobody in real world gives a shit about democracy. People just want to live well and in China quality of life is increasing without western political bullshit.

If you believe that China needs democracy, you are delusional. If you believe that west has something to offer to China, you are brainwashed.

Yes, democracy is answer to everything. Because everything else has failed for the average Joe. I dont care about elites, what does it matter if they are called Emperor, Dear Leader or General Secretary.
People also want to express what they think and feel. And they do not get and did not get to choose.
The current system will also only work for so long as the economy holds.
China historically has attempted to set records at how much of your own population you can potentially kill in civil wars led by various "strong" figures. Sorry, not going to learn from them. Taiwan, however, is doing pretty well as a democracy. And they are China, according to... the other China. And there are how many democracies outside of USA? Is France doing badly? Germany? Iceland? Finland?

Big blocks still work though. USSR could have been democratic powerhouse on par with EU. Didn't necessarily had to keep Communists at helm.

Definitely not the only way.

Democratic communism? AHHAHAHAHAHHAHA Or did you think that people would like to stay in union, no matter how much changed, which got them in there with force? Right...
Yes, the only way. Show me another. Let me guess, China's way? Where you are OK as long as you never speak up? xD

[Triceron]

And you do, Fox News being your main source on China and everything?

No, but my wife and my inlaws are Chinese citizens. I am Canadian born Chinese, so I have a very western perspective on China. I recently took a trip to China to see the culture there, and while I may not agree with everything going on, I have a much better grasp at the situation there (both good and bad) through living there and through interaction with my new family. Fox News isn't all that popular in Canada anyways.

What about you, what is your connection to China? I ask because so much of what you are saying about China doesn't add up, doesn't make sense. It's like someone who's never been there talking about it - I know because I used to do the same until I learned about it. So much Western interpretation through filters.

[Dextroden]

And you do, Fox News being your main source on China and everything?


Your point being...?
So you're saying he cannot be trusted because he CHOSE to work for the Chinese government.
But we should trust people who chose to work for private companies writing about a system that doesn't allow private companies?
How delusional can you be?

You know, if you don't have anything intelligent to say than please don't even bother.

No, cheating and lying is what you're doing to defend a dying system, to defend war, to defend oppression.
The majority of the world would be better off if the entire west got nuked. And that is why the west has to change.

I don't know, ask one of the millions of Muslims who have died in the last twenty years thanks to you?
Colonialism and slavery never really ended, people like you kept it alive. That has to end or else this world will plunge in another world war.

You don't get to cry about Propaganda while literally posting a state sponsored journalist without looking dumb.

[Thage]

Fox News isn't all that popular in Canada anyways.

Off topic, but didn't Fox News's Canadian sister-company end up going under due to abysmal ratings?

On-topic: China has a long history of strongly dissuading speaking about the Tienanmen Square protests in particular, and more broadly about speaking out against the government in general. This filmmaker has had the government come down on him before, as another poster mentioned, so odds are he knew what he was getting into. Props to the guy for sticking to his guns, thankfully the reprisal was nothing more than an arrest and questioning. That's about all I have to say on the matter since the finer points of Chinese government and law are out of my wheelhouse. This thread has been an interesting read, though!

[Dextroden]

No, I'm complaining about your lies. So get lost.

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No, so far you haven't debunked a single thing. Come back when you're old enough to have a grown up discussion.

You guys are really pushing the propaganda.
I hate how people just accept whatever is being thrown at them, they don't even notice that every day we suddenly have a new thread coming up.

Your first post here, Captain "Propaganda is a useless term".

[Yarathir]

Yes, I am.
Because I studies it and came to the logical conclusion that it's better.

You are literally spewing capitalist propaganda because you're too scared and brainwashed to try anything else.

See, you're promoting propaganda that can easily be debunked.

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You should tell that to all the people voting in their elections and referenda, they didn't know that.

Spoken by someone who hasn't read a single page of socialist ideology.

Even if I generally refrain from posting here any longer, it's been quite a trip to watch your gradual descent into madness.

[Dextroden]

Okay, I should have used "bullshit stories".

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It's a full-time occupation, at least until I get banned again because mods don't care about any of the other personal attacks.

1. You decided propaganda was a joke term after coming in to talk about it.

2. I'm fucking dying over your martyr complex.

[breslin]

Its million now? Those numbers grow every month here. I'm sure next week it will be tens of millions.

Its funny how people defend radical islamists when it suits them. But when they are called ISIS, suddenly they become bad guys.

China is multicultural country, contrary to what your media tells you. There are many nationalities living within one country. None of them have issues, except for radical islamists and some crazy monks.


Perfect summary for this thread. Pushing fake news and propaganda as facts, mobbing on anyone that disagrees with them, while presenting nothing but conspiracy theories.

So your contention is that every Uyghur thats in an internment camp is there because they are a terrorist? At least you're admitting they exist, i'd think even doing that would be a ding to your social credit score.