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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    It's much harder to get protein and amino acids being a vegan.
    It is the easiest thing in the world to get both as a vegan.

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    Found the vegans.
    Wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    It is the easiest thing in the world to get both as a vegan.


    Wrong.
    I bet you think all protein is the same
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    Hate people who try to force their diet too kids and animals.

    Swedish too probably some hippies.
    Do you hear the voices too?

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    I bet you think all protein is the same
    I bet you think you have a clue what you're talking about. You don't. As usual.

    Seriously, do some basic research. It's piss easy to get protein and various amino acids as a vegan.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    It is the easiest thing in the world to get both as a vegan.


    Wrong.
    I'm not against veganism at all but it is difficult to get a decent amount of protein in your calorie budget in a vegan diet. Especially if you have any issues at all with soy, which unfortunately I do. It's probably far easier for males though due to increased caloric requirements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J012D4N View Post
    Yes.

    Plants are more abundant, and are a direct source (skips the middle man & energy loss transferred), unlike meat.
    Herbivores (i.e. Primary consumers) are typically bigger and in some cases "stronger" b/c the abundance of energy available to them. All the time.
    As a Moose or Elephant, you're always eating the direct source of energy & that source (plants) are everywhere in those habitats (seasonally sometimes). Gorillas are also omnivores, as are all primates. They'll eat meat when it's available or easy to obtain in some situations.
    no, just stop please, the human body evolved to no longer be able to digest 'plant matter' and as has been seen historically we as a species NEED meat to survive, as it provides many nutrients not present in any kind of plant/herb, we are an omnivorous species we eat all forms of 'food' types so restricting your diet based on some kind of notion that it's morally wrong to eat animals is stupid.

    as far as the person you quoted posted let me educate you on something, and this might blow your mind:

    EVERYONE has 'cancerous cells' inside them, the issue isn't the cells it's the trigger that causes the mutation, that's why there will never be a 'cure' until we as a species understand on a fundamental level what process/hormones etc trigger certain types and why they occur in different forms, so saying that 'eating meat promotes cancer cell growth' is a complete and utter moronic statement, literally breathing promotes cancer cell growth, and i wish uneducated people would stop spreading misinformation about something they clearly have no concept of understanding over.

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  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Celista View Post
    I'm not against veganism at all but it is difficult to get a decent amount of protein in your calorie budget in a vegan diet.
    Literally untrue. Even without soy. As an adult male, I'd need around 60 grams of protein per day. I can surpass that without issue.

    Maybe for where you live and what is available to you? I've never had a single issue with it (also fine with soy, tbf). I'm doctor approved
    Last edited by UnifiedDivide; 2019-05-24 at 03:55 PM.

  8. #48
    As I much as I respect the mindset that drives people towards veganism, I would never trust a diet/lifestyle that depends on artificial nutritional supplements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    I bet you think you have a clue what you're talking about. You don't. As usual.

    Seriously, do some basic research. It's piss easy to get protein and various amino acids as a vegan.
    I have studied nutrition so I will take my sources over what some internet guy who usually spouts BS to me says. Especially one that can only say "nu uh!"
    Please wash your hands before you reply to me, I am not taking any chances!
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  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Avskildhet View Post
    Starvation includes not getting enough nutrients. You can eat rabbit all the time and starve. Read up on rabbit starvation death.
    It's not starvation. What happens is that the excess protein causes ammonia buildup in the blood and poisons you.

    You are strangely antagonistic while also being ill-informed in your posts lately.

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    I have studied nutrition so I will take my sources over what some internet guy who usually spouts BS to me says. Especially one that can only say "nu uh!"
    Talking to me about BS, that's rich. Much like my vegan diet!

    You've studied nothing if you think it is difficult for a vegan to get protein/amino acids. It could not be simpler. I know 5 year olds that could work Google well enough to figure this out.

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Literally untrue. Even without soy. As an adult male, I'd need around 60 grams of protein per day. I can surpass that without issue.

    Maybe for where you live and what is available to you? I've never had a single issue with it (also fine with soy, tbf). I'm doctor approved
    Okay, my protein budget is 120g/protein a day, because I run and strength train. If you can create a soy-free sample diet for a day that gets that much protein in my diet under 2k calories a day, I'd love to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    I bet you think you have a clue what you're talking about. You don't. As usual.

    Seriously, do some basic research. It's piss easy to get protein and various amino acids as a vegan.
    lets explore this shall we:

    i'm 6 feet tall, for me my ideal weight should be between 65-85Kg, based on this information i need to consume PER DAY: ~60 grams if i do no exercise and work in an office all day, in order to get this volume of protein from just plants/seeds/beans etc i would need to consume around 6 medium sized eggs, i can get the same amount of protein in my diet from eating ~250-300g of cooked chicken which is not only lower in cholesterol than eating 6 eggs but is also significantly cheaper.

    that's just one example comparison, to get the same protein numbers from straight up plant based items i would need to consume ~2 litres of soy milk this is just looking at protein levels, this does not factor in other essential nutrients and vitamins needed from meat sources that are not present in any plant based food source short of altering how those plants are grown/handled, so in conclusion, no, it is not 'piss easy' to get the various amino acids and protein needed as a vegan relative to a 'normal' person.

    all my information is taken from government sources on health and wellbeing in relation to height/weight and daily recommended intake values for various nutritional groups.

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  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Lionwoman View Post
    I hope they lost custody. That's pretty messed up. Holy sh-
    Thankfully it looks like they did.
    placed into foster care.
    Now the little girl at least has a chance at a normal life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocherend View Post
    Wrong.
    First off, I was being sarcastic. I would have thought it was obvious.

    Second, are you saying you aren't vegan? Because your statements and tone says otherwise. If you are saying "wrong to the rest of my post, what part specifically? Because that is a pretty broad brushstroke to use.

    Thirdly, why are you so goddamn antagonistic? Are you not capable of having a civil conversation with people you disagree with? Do you think that being aggressive is going to magically cause people to see your point of view?

    The truth is, some people can get by with a vegan diet. As long as they supplement. Some cannot. I can't. I am horribly allergic to soy.
    And at 6'4" and 17 stone, I cannot get what I need from a vegan diet, protein-wise

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Celista View Post
    Okay, my protein budget is 120g/protein a day, because I run and strength train. If you can create a soy-free sample diet for a day that gets that much protein in my diet under 2k calories a day, I'd love to see it.
    There are actually tools online for this. I'm neither a nutritionist nor am I of the inclination to bother to do something so basic for someone. If you were interested, there are more than a few places you can do this yourself.

    Here is 10 seconds of effort:


    You can get soy-free tempeh. It lists ingredients (when you hover over the item) and goes further if you make an account (which I wasn't interested in). You can also change how many meals you have in that day, this was 3 meals, as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by rogoth View Post
    lets explore this shall we:

    i'm 6 feet tall, for me my ideal weight should be between 65-85Kg, based on this information i need to consume PER DAY: ~60 grams if i do no exercise and work in an office all day, in order to get this volume of protein from just plants/seeds/beans etc i would need to consume around 6 medium sized eggs, i can get the same amount of protein in my diet from eating ~250-300g of cooked chicken which is not only lower in cholesterol than eating 6 eggs but is also significantly cheaper.

    that's just one example comparison, to get the same protein numbers from straight up plant based items i would need to consume ~2 litres of soy milk this is just looking at protein levels, this does not factor in other essential nutrients and vitamins needed from meat sources that are not present in any plant based food source short of altering how those plants are grown/handled, so in conclusion, no, it is not 'piss easy' to get the various amino acids and protein needed as a vegan relative to a 'normal' person.

    all my information is taken from government sources on health and wellbeing in relation to height/weight and daily recommended intake values for various nutritional groups.
    Either I'm misreading this to a massive degree or you just mentioned eating eggs on a vegan diet to get protein from only plants/seeds/beans...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakshana View Post
    The truth is, some people can get by with a vegan diet. As long as they supplement.
    If you do a vegan diet right, you don't need supplements.



    We're just going round in the same typical cycle we did in the last thread related to veganism (which this thread isn't really, parents were just dumb AF) and it's kinda boring. See whatever the last thread was for where this thread will go.
    Last edited by UnifiedDivide; 2019-05-24 at 04:25 PM.

  17. #57
    A Vegan diet (with the exception of breast milk) can work fine for an infant. It just requires careful planning. It sounds as though these parents were basically just giving her what was easy without consulting a nutritionist. I am not a vegan but will admit that due to modern science it can work.

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    It is the easiest thing in the world to get both as a vegan.
    Will you post a picture of your arm muscles? I have been interested in seeing muscle growth on a vegan diet.
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    I don't know what you are watching, but it isn't fucking reality.
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  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by TSM View Post
    I would never trust a diet/lifestyle that depends on artificial nutritional supplements.
    Probably a wise choice.

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    A) This has nothing to do with veganism. Plenty of vegans raise healthy children.
    B) Still not sure why veganism is so vilified. It seems like a noble goal that we should devote more scientific power towards until it's achievable for everyone.

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