So, this is what happens when a ideology goes too far. No different from anti-vaxxers or religious nutjobs.
Optimal nutrition goes beyond just plants. The more variety in our diet, the better, with certain things cut out like refined sugars.
I'm a meat eater, however I do agree that veganism is a noble goal. In fact, there are certain meats I refuse to eat. If science ever gets to the point of making decent test tube meat I will happily switch over. Having all that said, my issue with modern vegans is that the vast majority that preach moral superiority aren't true vegans. It's extremely hypocritical to be screamed at for eating meat when vegans completely ignore the astronomical amount of animals that die during the production of crops.
I'm the root of all that is evil, yeah, but you can call me cookie.
vegans are worse than bro science chads, yes a plant based diet for a short while can have health benefits. no, that doesn't mean it is a healthy long-term diet, it's possible but you need to eat large quantities of some very weird foods to get the nutrients you miss out on by avoiding meat and most vegans don't do that. which is why a few years after starting, a lot of them get sick and have to start eating normally again.
You can be vegan when you are older, but that diet doesn't work for kids. Also they didn't even vaccinate their kid which should be mandatory.
As much as I like to bash vegans and other alternate hippy retards, them being vegans does not explain how the kid was essentially on a breatharian diet.
Edit: Personally I don't mind a vegetarian diet, I don't need to eat meat all the time, but I think the extremism that is a vegan diet is going too far. Restricting yourself to additives and a very limted range of protein seems to be counterproductive.
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My son is on a vegan diet and has been for the past 4 years.
People always seem to flip out when you hear a child dying or getting sick because of incompetent parents yet it doesn't really happen all that often.
Child obesity is much more of an issue and a lot more common yet the noise around it is fairly minimal.
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That's not a vegan diet, it is a raw vegan diet.
A vegan diet for a child is fine. A raw vegan diet for just about anyone, is awful.
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People being preachy about anything is annoying.
Yes, animals inadvertently die when clearing land for the growing of crops. However, those same animals die clearing land for livestock pasture and feed crop growth as well. There's a huge difference between:
X amount of animals inadvertently killed to produce crops
VS.
X amount of animals inadvertently killed to produce crops/feed land + near 15 billion livestock animals slaughtered purposely.
I respect your take on lab grown meat. I hope it happens soon.
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That's not really that hard. Just substitute soy with seitan. I'm not a big fan of seitan mind you, it's heavily processed and the amino acid spectrum is narrow. But if you purely want to hit that 120g cap it works. I'd probably go for a different type of bean but then you're going to struggle staying under 2k. Plus it requires you eating about a kilo of various beans, seeds and nuts a day.
If you run and strength train doesn't 2k calories land you in a massive calorie deficit? I do a combination of muay thai and bouldering plus I cycle to work. My weight would take a nose dive if I stuck to 2k.
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So we've gone from an article on couple that fed their newborn a extremely restricted raw vegan diet to an article which suggests that a vegan diet is probably not the best choice for optimal nutrition.
Nobody here is claiming a vegan diet will grant you optimal nutrition. The SAD won't grant you optimal nutrition either. Neither will drinking alcohol.
The article you linked doesn't suggest a vegan diet can't be healthy. It suggests that eating animal products gives you more options and that there are less pitfalls. I agree on that, i'm unsure how anyone could think it would be any different. Of course you're going to get better results if you facilitate all the building blocks life has to offer. It also goes over various pitfalls within a vegan diet and also covers ways to counter them.
If you're following a vegan diet purely for health reasons then after reading this it would make a lot of sense to stop. However many people don't follow a vegan diet purely for health reasons and since you can eat a vegan diet and still be healthy, even if it's not the most optimal diet for nutrition.
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2 vegans down, plenty more to go
Another problem with veganism is that each one of their meals seems to be comprised of ingredients produced in every corner of the world. There's zero sustainability in it.