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    Quote Originally Posted by col1kill View Post
    They have been stuck on 14 & 12 nm they also have had supply issues and sever security issues, also AMD Ryzen 2000 is on par with intel in gaming and Ryzen 3000 is looking like it will beat intel. the old intel crushes AMD for gaming has not been true sense 2017.
    I'm looking at this Reddit thread and it seems the majority of people still think Intel is the clear winner.

    As the previous post said, nothing comes close to 9900k for gaming at this moment. However, I believe 9700k is just as good since the latter only suffers a 1-2% performance drop in games compared to its 'older brother.'

    To get back to the original discussion and answer OP's question, You should google some cheap processors that would be a great fit for your current budget and read the reviews.

    Even though I was just advocating for Intel, considering your budget, I'd go for the AMD 2200G. Alternatively, take a look at the Intel Core i3 - 8100 which is more expensive but packs a serious punch. That's if you're in for more GPU intense games like TW3.

    If you plan on playing stuff like Civilization that requires high CPU performance, you are better off investing more cash into a strong processor. In that case, i5 i5 8400 would be my top pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyons75 View Post
    I'm looking at this Reddit thread and it seems the majority of people still think Intel is the clear winner.

    As the previous post said, nothing comes close to 9900k for gaming at this moment. However, I believe 9700k is just as good since the latter only suffers a 1-2% performance drop in games compared to its 'older brother.'

    To get back to the original discussion and answer OP's question, You should google some cheap processors that would be a great fit for your current budget and read the reviews.

    Even though I was just advocating for Intel, considering your budget, I'd go for the AMD 2200G. Alternatively, take a look at the Intel Core i3 - 8100 which is more expensive but packs a serious punch. That's if you're in for more GPU intense games like TW3.

    If you plan on playing stuff like Civilization that requires high CPU performance, you are better off investing more cash into a strong processor. In that case, i5 i5 8400 would be my top pick.
    The 8100 is only about 3% better than the 2200G in CPU performance, and is MILES behind in GPU performance.
    and a 2600/x is a better bet than the 8400 in everything but games, and its equal in games, while being much cheaper, so there's no reason to buy an 8400 over the 2600/x

    At every level but the high-end, it just makes more sense to buy AMD right now, and even at 1400, it's a toss up on what you prefer more, gaming performance in which case you'd go 96/9700k, or everything else, in which case you'd go 26/2700 or their x SKU's. When you get up near 2k you can start throwing the money at a 9900k and there's really no other CPU that you'd benefit from

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    The 8100 is only about 3% better than the 2200G in CPU performance, and is MILES behind in GPU performance.
    and a 2600/x is a better bet than the 8400 in everything but games, and its equal in games, while being much cheaper, so there's no reason to buy an 8400 over the 2600/x

    At every level but the high-end, it just makes more sense to buy AMD right now, and even at 1400, it's a toss up on what you prefer more, gaming performance in which case you'd go 96/9700k, or everything else, in which case you'd go 26/2700 or their x SKU's. When you get up near 2k you can start throwing the money at a 9900k and there's really no other CPU that you'd benefit from
    You got a point, I'm looking at some top 10 CPU lists and they seem to contain the same technical info that you're suggesting. Do you think I'd be able to get 2200g and still have enough money remaining to build a decent rig under $1400?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyons75 View Post
    You got a point, I'm looking at some top 10 CPU lists and they seem to contain the same technical info that you're suggesting. Do you think I'd be able to get 2200g and still have enough money remaining to build a decent rig under $1400?
    Getting a 2200g at that budget is beyond stupid, it's a budget CPU. At 1400 I'd suggest a 2600/x and a dGPU. Make another thread if you want more specifics

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyons75 View Post
    You got a point, I'm looking at some top 10 CPU lists and they seem to contain the same technical info that you're suggesting. Do you think I'd be able to get 2200g and still have enough money remaining to build a decent rig under $1400?
    You should check out newegg custom built pcs.. IT should give you an idea of what you can get for your money within a certain range then part it out that way... You can get way more CPU and still have a decent GPU

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    Here is a system that comes in just under $1400 including a 10 pro key ( you can save $100 on that with a bit of looking ), if you are willing to drop the 4TB to a 1TB and drop the 2070 to a 2060 you can wait till july 7 and get an X570 and 3700 or 3800.

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    Quote Originally Posted by col1kill View Post
    They have been stuck on 14 & 12 nm they also have had supply issues and sever security issues, also AMD Ryzen 2000 is on par with intel in gaming and Ryzen 3000 is looking like it will beat intel. the old intel crushes AMD for gaming has not been true sense 2017.
    Intel's 10 nm is practically the same as TSMCs 7nm. Intel is setting up new foundries. I'm sure 10th gen will be 10 nm. And Intel is great at squeezing performance out of a node; just look at 14 nm

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    Wait until July 7 for the new Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) release. If anything, you will see Zen+ (2700/2700x, 2600/2600x, etc.) discounted (it is currently seeing discounts now) as well as possible price reductions from Intel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linkedblade View Post
    Intel's 10 nm is practically the same as TSMCs 7nm. Intel is setting up new foundries. I'm sure 10th gen will be 10 nm. And Intel is great at squeezing performance out of a node; just look at 14 nm
    As far as I know, they said they aren't doing desktop chips for 10nm. Just not worth the effort when they got 7nm coming 2021(tm)

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    As far as I know, they said they aren't doing desktop chips for 10nm. Just not worth the effort when they got 7nm coming 2021(tm)
    this is correct, the issue for Intel is by then AMD will be ready to move on to 5nm from 7nm+. IMHO its actually interesting to see Intel playing catchup, yes they have slightly better performance per die size but thay also have a near 20 year old core architecture that they have been refining rather than innovating on.

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    As far as I know, they said they aren't doing desktop chips for 10nm. Just not worth the effort when they got 7nm coming 2021(tm)
    that leaked Roadmap was debunked thoroughly.. there were actual, currently shipping products that weren't on it.

    10nm will see a desktop release, but it will likely be for Xeon Ws and the "consumer" lineup will be rather like Broadwell - a few chips, and then straight on to 7nm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by col1kill View Post
    this is correct, the issue for Intel is by then AMD will be ready to move on to 5nm from 7nm+. IMHO its actually interesting to see Intel playing catchup, yes they have slightly better performance per die size but thay also have a near 20 year old core architecture that they have been refining rather than innovating on.
    I doubt they'll get 5nm working in just 2 years. That seems a bit overly optimistic, or if they do, it'll just be a die-shrunk version of Zen2 without many benefits
    Quote Originally Posted by Kagthul View Post
    that leaked Roadmap was debunked thoroughly.. there were actual, currently shipping products that weren't on it.

    10nm will see a desktop release, but it will likely be for Xeon Ws and the "consumer" lineup will be rather like Broadwell - a few chips, and then straight on to 7nm.
    There's been new leaks that say the same thing though, but we'll see I guess. Doubt the new 2019 chips will be 10nm, and if they're coming with their 7nm stuff in 2021, that just leaves 2020 for 10nm, which seems a bit silly

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