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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Skytotem View Post
    This would be a retcon. No one ingame refers to them as 'out of phase' they're dead. They're ghosts. One guy was stuck 'drowning' under a pillar for thousands of years for crying out loud.
    The whole out of phase thing was simply me trying to brainstorm possible explanations of the curse,.. ofc, you don't need to explain how a curse operates.. Azshara did something not ever done before and not since when she cursed the people of Azsuna - it made them effectively dead but yet not - and it is not like your typical ghost nor undead.. this was, is something unique.


    Let creative sort out the details of how if they choose to restore them, I'd like that though.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    I don't know if this is significant - but I hope it leads to something good for night elves.

    In a nut shell:


    • Farondis Court ghosts aren't undead, but humanoid - they aren't your usual dead person whose spirit exists on. Azshara did something tot hem that is not normal, could this mean it can be undone?
    • Horde portal to Broken Isles isn't Suramar City - this is odd if the horde totally control Suramar - is this an indication that plans exist for more of Suramar and the original kaldorei might have a part of it?

    It's a long short, but here are some details.

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    1. Farondis Court are all humanoid - not undead : This is interesting - because they don't operate quite like your normal ghost nor your undead - notice the night elves of Black rook hold whether ghostly or corporeal are undead. Not these.

    I wish they would write a story to restore them. Because I loved this group, loved the story, and felt it was so important for the night elves as they are a highborne group that neither fell to arcane addiction nor followed the Queen in any way with the legion.
    They were the first to rebel against Azshara, and probably the spark for the rebellion/resistance that inspired Malfurion and the others.
    Her swift and strong response to them, explains why other Highborne groups like the Shen'drlaar and Elisande's Suramar highborne took a longer time to act against her.
    I noticed they had priestesses and druids amongst htem, which indicates they were one of the few places that still embraced all the other aspects of the night elves fully.
    They are an example of what the highborne were originally before arrogance and addiction dominated the people's view of the caste in Zin'Azshari.
    It would be such a great ending/new beginning for htem if they got restored - when I look at all the tragic stories of the night elves, this is one of the most heart breaking, and if any should be undone it's them.
    Farondis shows us that while he is a great arcane user and bleives in the art, he is definitely against both abuse (when he asks us to stopt he rebel Farondis ghosts at Well Spring) and opposes the corruption and evil wherever it is (fighting the legion, naga and the evil nightborne in Azsuna)

    Potential:
    Well the night elves need the numbers at the moment, this can be one source of them
    They are perhaps the only authentic highborne group that can command the respect of both druids and priests and all kaldorei - both highborne and non-highborne as everyone knows of their exploits as the ones who tried to stop the Queen. While questions of mistrust might linger in some night elves regarding the redeemed Shend'ralar led group, there would be no question with the Farondis.
    They are the highborne group that can fully restore the respect of ALL the night elves and be key to an arcane legacy as fully respected and revered alongside the priests and druids under Farondis

    Prince Farondis' return offers an opportunity for new Kaldorei leadership and for Tyrande and MAlfurion to retire from that and become Order heads, it allows a legitimate kaldorei heir to lead, allowing Malfurion to be neutral leading druids and emerald dream specialists - while the order of Elune can expand including all the kaldorei off shoots (certainly nightborne) but potentially more including some void elves drawn by the dark side of the moon if blizzard ever decide to build night elf void elf relationship
    With the nightborne gone horde, they could be large enough and powerful enough to restore the majestic arcane side of the night elves - so I mean, not just a number addition lost in kaldorei ruins, but fully restored kaldorei civilization and arcana like we see in Suramar - the pristine level. i'm not usere if this would mean a new city or restored ruins or sharing Suramar.. who knows.


    2. Why are the horde portals to the Broken Isles in Azsuna and not Suramar - could this be significant and be leading to something? I noticed that only the insntanced portion of Suramar is horde nightobnre, not the rest. And I would expect the hord eto have gotten the Orgrimmar portal to Suramar. But it's not.

    could this possibly mean they still have plans for kaldorei and alliance involvement in Suramar? I awlays felt it wa s a bad idea to cut the ngiht elves completely out of the nightborne, I feel they should have found a way to allow the nightborne to exist on both factions, and for me the best solution seemed that the nightborne who side with the kaldorei transition to their original kaldorei form via the arcan'dor fruit effects (possibly being accelerated) while those who remain on the horde get linked to the Sunwell keeping their form. Allowing Suramar to be a city where the kaldorei return and mix with their kin long separated from allowing a form of rebuilding, while not affecting the fact that some have allied with the horde.

    I also felt that the nightborne should not be faction centric, so they reject this "whole race must swear allegiance" b/s, and it ends up being a case some believe in the kaldorei, some feel the sin'dorei but it boils down to not being fanatical about the factions and more like the 10,000 year old responsible adults that put their foot down against certain matters - so when a horde warchieve decides to genocide a people, the horde nightborne wont' join in, nor would the kaldorei nightborne assist the alliance in any evil scheme - and their allies can take it or leave it - That's just a hope.


    I wonder if Suramar is planned to be a city accessible to both kaldorei and shal'dorei - lliket he shald'orei horde dominating the palace section, whereas the kaldorei and others the non-instanced part oft he city.
    your entire thread falls apart because you didnt realize its a gameplay thing

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    The whole out of phase thing was simply me trying to brainstorm possible explanations of the curse,.. ofc, you don't need to explain how a curse operates.. Azshara did something not ever done before and not since when she cursed the people of Azsuna - it made them effectively dead but yet not - and it is not like your typical ghost nor undead.. this was, is something unique.
    There's a term for that, undeath. And it's not exactly as unique as you present it to be.
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  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    The whole out of phase thing was simply me trying to brainstorm possible explanations of the curse,.. ofc, you don't need to explain how a curse operates.. Azshara did something not ever done before and not since when she cursed the people of Azsuna - it made them effectively dead but yet not - and it is not like your typical ghost nor undead.. this was, is something unique.


    Let creative sort out the details of how if they choose to restore them, I'd like that though.
    Oh c'mon it's hardly any different from all the OTHER dead sad elves all over the world. We have Highborne ghosts in Stonetalon that are practically the same for crying out loud.

    I get it! Farondis had a cool scene where he rescued the player and stood up to Azshara! But a bad idea with good polish doesn't stop being a bad idea. The ghost nelf focus in Aszuna was too much.
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  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    There's a term for that, undeath. And it's not exactly as unique as you present it to be.
    Quote Originally Posted by Skytotem View Post
    Oh c'mon it's hardly any different from all the OTHER dead sad elves all over the world. We have Highborne ghosts in Stonetalon that are practically the same for crying out loud.

    I get it! Farondis had a cool scene where he rescued the player and stood up to Azshara! But a bad idea with good polish doesn't stop being a bad idea. The ghost nelf focus in Aszuna was too much.
    Yes, you're both right.. but I'm a night elf optimist,, and can't help but think the slight difference gives it a chance. And I know I should know better than to expect anything hopeful (it comes when it comes, and usually after many times more its volume in tragedy), but I still want it.

  6. #26
    There is a quest in Azuna where one of the dead elves are freed form the curse and turned into a wisp.

    https://wow.gamepedia.com/Presentation_is_Everything

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by TheGrimsey View Post
    There is a quest in Azuna where one of the dead elves are freed form the curse and turned into a wisp.

    https://wow.gamepedia.com/Presentation_is_Everything
    Thanks for that. On one hand, it means Elune is probably their best hope. On the other hand, the quest says he exploded, so it is possible that his ghost died, and that both freed him cos now he is dead dead and is now a wisp - which also means he isn't quite dead.

    Also we kill many of htem in the Well spring area, they don't all turn into wisps.

    they have thought they were free before only to find out they were not.


    We don't know if turning into wisp is the last stage, it could simply be a reset and in a little while that wisp would become him again - this could simply be part of the curse.
    These is something not normal about their state, and this could be intentional - whether it was done so to revive them later or that was in there in case they wanted to do so down the line I don't know. WHat I do know is the extraordinary benefit and boost it can be for both the night elves and the Farondis to come alive - they could play the role the nightborne (now horde were going to play for the night elve s- the majestic dark elf casters - the pre-sundering night elf group. And Farondis alive can also be an incredible replacement for Tyrande/Malfurion as night elf leader, allowing those 2 to become neutral and devoted to their orders rather than race leaders.

  8. #28
    The portals are just a gameplay thing. Azsuna is a 100-110 zone, Suramar is a 110 zone, so if you're going there while leveling you want the noobier of the two.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGrimsey View Post
    There is a quest in Azuna where one of the dead elves are freed form the curse and turned into a wisp.

    https://wow.gamepedia.com/Presentation_is_Everything
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    Azsuna was probably the favorite of the 4 pre-suramar zones, followed by Val'Sharah.

    When I think about the bfa zones it does not have the same fond-ness that legions did.
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  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Vynestra View Post
    Azsuna was probably the favorite of the 4 pre-suramar zones, followed by Val'Sharah.

    When I think about the bfa zones it does not have the same fond-ness that legions did.
    That is quite true, my fondness for the legion zones matched and surpassed even those of classic, TBC and WOTLK and some of those I really loved.

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