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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    Dredd was amazing the fact it didn’t get picked up for more movies is mind blowing.
    I actually liked the new Dredd more than the original. I wish it got more sequels.

  2. #22
    Alien’ Producer Drops First Details of New Ripley Film: ‘A Meditation on the Franchise’

    https://www.indiewire.com/2020/06/al...202238277/amp/
    Zack Sharf June 17, 2020 4:38PM EDT

    Sigourney Weaver sent a shockwave through “Alien” fandom last week when she revealed franchise producer Walter Hill had sent her a 50-page script treatment for a fifth movie centered around Ellen Ripley, the action icon Weaver has played in films such as Ridley Scott’s 1979 original “Alien” and James Cameron’s 1986 sequel “Aliens.” Weaver, who hasn’t played Ripley since 1997’s “Alien Resurrection,” suggested the character deserves a break from the big screen. In a new report published this week by SyFy Wire, Hill is confident Weaver and Ripley have what it takes to pull off a fifth “Alien” movie.

    “Sigourney, as she has from the very beginning, is being too modest about her proven ability to pull off the idea,” Hill said in statement. “[The idea] is to tell a story that scares the pants off your date, kicks the ass of a new Xenomorph, and conducts a meditation on both the universe of the ‘Alien’ franchise and the destiny of the character of Lt. Ellen Ripley.”

    SyFy reveals that Hill wrote the script treatment with David Giler, another producer who has been with the “Alien” franchise since Scott’s 1979 original. Both Hill and Giler have shared story credits on “Aliens” and “Alien 3.” Hill and Giler’s production company, Brandywine Productions, also confirmed that the 50-page treatment is not some story script that’s being dusted off. The two completed the most recent treatment draft in March of this year.

    Brandywine Productions also sent over a picture of the treatment’s cover page, which is published on SyFy Wire. The cover includes both the original “Alien” tagline (“In space no one can hear you scream”) and a variation on that tagline (“In space no one can hear you dream”), plus quotes from Edgar Allan Poe (“All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream”) and William Tecumseh Sherman (“War is hell”).

    What do these taglines and quotes mean for a fifth Ripley-centric “Alien” movie? It’s anyone’s guess. “District 9” director Neill Blomkamp famously spent years developing a fifth “Alien” movie centered around Weaver’s character only for the plans to fall through. Scott has continued the franchise most recently with prequel films “Prometheus” and “Alien: Covenant,” but the poor box office returns have put Scott’s plan for more movies on hold. At this point, Hill and Giler’s treatment for a new Ripley movie is the most promising sign “Alien” fans have for the franchise’s future.

  3. #23
    The prequels would be ok... as normal sci-fi movies. But definitely not horror, and not Alien movies. What made the original Alien movies successful, was the fact you never knew where he was. In Covenant, everytime the Alien is somewhere, the camera makes a huge zoom on its face to confirm it's here.

    Not even mentioning the Alien is dumb as a rock and at the end both die in a horrible lame way. Otherwise there was some good shit in both movies, but what killed them is definitely the stupid cliché characters. The fat dumbass with a cowboy hat named "Tennessee" I think, who is the pilot of this expedition, ready to sacrifice his full ship when the AI explicitly tells him the ship won't survive, just because... his wife is on the planet ? The religious leader ? The death of the "main character"'s husband at the beginning of the movie supposed to make us feel something for the woman ?

    Covenant wasn't a total shitshow but only thanks to Fassbender imo. He had some very poetic scenes he nailed, but otherwise, that was a complete meh.

    I don't see what they can plan for the third prequel. Unless something Deus Ex Machina the shit out of the frozen woman and she somehow takes back command of the ship, or they will tell you the ship crashed somewhere, dunno

  4. #24
    I only like Prometheus and Alien Covenant for two things.

    1. Universe building; more background lore is always good.
    2. Michael Fassbender; he totally prevented both of those films from being complete and utter shit (outside of universe building that is).

    Now on to the news about a 5th movie centered around the main protagonist from the original series? I hope it gets written as if Alien 3 and Resurrection were never produced. I mean, I kinda like Alien 3 and Resurrection, but I would have no issue with a 5th movie completing doing a retcon of those entries if we can get a better sequel for Aliens. That's assuming it gets green lit to go in to production.

    EDIT: Question to everyone disappointed with Prometheus/Covenant, do you think the movies would have worked better as films to build up the lore of the franchise instead of being failed attempts at recreating the magic/horror of the original Alien? It seems there's a lot of lore to explore added in these two movies, but they took a back seat to the failed horror plot.
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  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    Dredd was amazing the fact it didn’t get picked up for more movies is mind blowing.
    From what I understand, lack of effective marketing and the fact that the IP wasn't very widely known in the states translated into poor box office returns. Also the existence of the first film hurt it quite a bit, too.

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by RampageBW1 View Post
    1. Universe building; more background lore is always good.
    While I see your point and actually agree in some cases, with the Alien franchise this has been a massive downside for me.
    Before we got Prometheus, the mystery of the origins of the Alien was quite cool. You had the ship with the space jockey and the egg room and we could only speculate where these came from. There was an early script for Prometheus (early or fake or whatever) where the main concept was the space jockeys inviting humans to their home world but the humans getting greedy and trying to steal some stuff which is when the space jockeys decided to unleash their ultimate weapon on the humans - the alien. That sounded pretty cool but then the movie(s) come out and the origin is basically a robot messing around with some black goo creating life, which creates other life and in the end you get the alien. For me the way they filled that hole of the lore didn't feel very satisfying at all.

  7. #27
    Ridley Scott Confirms He's Working On New Alien Movie.

    https://screenrant.com/alien-5-movie...-scott-update/
    BY DAN ZINSKI 5 DAYS AGO

    Ridley Scott confirms he’s still working on a new Alien movie. Released in 1979, the original Alien changed films forever with its combination of sci-fi and horror, and its featuring of the original bad-ass female heroine Ripley as played by Sigourney Weaver.

    That first film would have stood alone as a classic of cinema even without spawning a franchise, but spawn a franchise it did with 1986’s Aliens, directed by James Cameron. After Cameron’s introduction of military sci-fi to the Alien mix, David Fincher took over the franchise for 1992’s ill-fated Alien 3, then in 1997 Jean-Pierre Jeunet offered up his own twisted vision with Alien Resurrection. After three movies without his direct involvement (and a pair of Alien vs. Predator spinoff films), franchise creator Scott finally and memorably returned without Weaver's Ripley for 2012’s prequel Prometheus, an attempt to expand the Alien mythology that was met with a lot of confusion by fans. After all the head-scratching that greeted Prometheus, Scott returned to more stream-lined storytelling with 2017’s Alien: Covenant, but that turned out to be a failed idea too as the movie grossed just $240 million at the worldwide box office and seemingly put the franchise into hibernation forever.

    But despite the last movie bombing with audiences, it seems there’s still hope for more Alien to come. Speaking to Forbes, Scott himself confirmed that he’s working on another Alien sequel, though he seemingly remains doubtful about what approach to take with the property going forward. He said:

    “That’s in process. We went down a route to try and reinvent the wheel with Prometheus and Covenant. Whether or not we go directly back to that is doubtful because Prometheus woke it up very well. But you know, you’re asking fundamental questions like, ‘Has the Alien himself, the facehugger, the chestburster, have they all run out of steam? Do you have to rethink the whole bloody thing and simply use the word to franchise?’ That’s always the fundamental question.”
    As fans well remember, Alien: Covenant did end with a seeming set-up for another sequel, as David and a hibernating Daniels headed toward Origae-6 in the Covenant with thousands of frozen colonists and embryos on board (all seemingly destined to be experimented on by David). However, after the movie’s tepid box office returns, it’s fair to wonder if this is still the direction Scott and company would wish to go, or if it might be wiser to dream up a new concept entirely. Recently of course, there has been a lot of talk about an Alien sequel thanks to a Walter Hill script that would have retconned parts of Alien 3 and Resurrection.

    Scott himself of course has spoken before about trying to get away from the classic Alien formula, an approach that resulted in Prometheus, a movie that did indeed expand the series’ world while minimizing a lot of famous elements familiar from the previous films. But when that didn’t really work, Scott did a U-turn with Covenant, making a more classic Alien movie while still trying to explore some of the newer ideas introduced in Prometheus, particularly the role of the Engineers in human evolution as well as the android David and his own attempts at creating new life.

    At least going by Scott’s new statements, it seems the director is still somewhat on the fence about how to proceed with the Alien franchise. The good news is, it sounds like Scott is at least pursuing some kind of project, whether it be a direct continuation of Alien: Covenant or something entirely new set in the world. Though many seem to have jumped ship on Alien, the franchise does indeed still have its devotees, and it would definitely be exciting to see Scott revisit the world one more time, armed with a genuinely interesting and cool idea.

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    I liked Covenant, but still peeved they dropped the plot from Prometheus in favor of new movies with Xenomorphs as the focus, like we didn't have enough of those.

  9. #29
    I was not a fan of Alien: Covenant. I know Prometheus has its share of controversy and there are a couple dumb scenes, but I am extremely fond of that film. I wish he continued on with something closer in vibes to that.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyphael View Post
    I liked Covenant, but still peeved they dropped the plot from Prometheus in favor of new movies with Xenomorphs as the focus, like we didn't have enough of those.
    It's only becasue everyone and their brother bitched about the plot of Prometheus and wanted more Xenomorphs. History seems to favor creators not listening to fans becasue fans only seem to make things worse.

  11. #31
    Prometheus was meh...Covenant was actually closer to a comedy than the old space horror type of movie it used to be. I wouldn't raise your hopes on the next one being anything great...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Very rare pepe View Post
    Prometheus was meh...Covenant was actually closer to a comedy than the old space horror type of movie it used to be. I wouldn't raise your hopes on the next one being anything great...
    I was completely taken out of the movie when a bunch of "experts" took off their masks on an unknown planet.

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    I was completely taken out of the movie when a bunch of "experts" took off their masks on an unknown planet.
    Yeah and that really awful seen where the bad android takes the captain out into the backroom full of eggs and tells him to go put his face in them. Like fuck off lmao.

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    Alien Covenant ruined the series as far as I'm concerned. It took one of the most iconic alien creatures of all time and turned it into the experiment of a man-made android.

    Would be like finding out humans secretly created the Yautja species from Predator in a lab. Oh god, I hope Ridley Scott doesn't use this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirishka View Post
    Alien Covenant ruined the series as far as I'm concerned. It took one of the most iconic alien creatures of all time and turned it into the experiment of a man-made android.

    Would be like finding out humans secretly created the Yautja species from Predator in a lab. Oh god, I hope Ridley Scott doesn't use this forum.
    Well to be fair, if Prometheus is anything to go by, the creatures like the Xenomorphs were engineered to be biological weapons by the Space Jockeys/Engineers to begin with.

    Even if we accept David being the origins of the species, how did he get thousands of Eggs in to a Derelict ships on LV-426? Do we even know if that planet is on the way to whatever planet Covenant was headed to before it's detour? These questions need answering.

    It's my long held belief that David just recreated the experiments those Engineers already had done themselves, but couldn't report back to the home world because the experiment was more efficient than they anticipated and they died before their results could be documented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RampageBW1 View Post
    Well to be fair, if Prometheus is anything to go by, the creatures like the Xenomorphs were engineered to be biological weapons by the Space Jockeys/Engineers to begin with.
    Yeah, that's been the prevailing theory of their origin for a long time due to the biomechanical design of the original creature and of course, the space jockey corpse with a huge hole in its chest. And I loved the idea of that because it is still an alien origin.
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