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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    Incorrect statement is now considered truth? Last canon source clearly says she was smacking him through trees.
    This is what I'm talking about. Too much zugzug has side effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy View Post
    As it was said plenty of times. Just because you throw someone at the tree, doesn't mean you're stronger. In Dragonball people are throwing each other through the mountains/planets/etc. and someone is just still stronger.

    If I push Mike Tyson and he falls - does that mean I'm stronger than him? Not really.

    In the game she had less hp and was under the effect of the entangling roots, she was kneeling and moaning with pain.
    In the short novel Sylvanas herself said that she couldn't win with Malfurion.
    And that's the most canonic version of the story...
    How doest stating two contradictory sentences paint a clear canon version of the story. Ingame she was kneeling, in the novel she was fighting. Are you trying to find compromise when there is none? Or is it only because it concerns a character you dont like.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amaterasu65 View Post
    This is what I'm talking about. Too much zugzug has side effects.
    Zugzug has definitely some side effects on you since you ignore canon sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    How doest stating two contradictory sentences paint a clear canon version of the story. Ingame she was kneeling, in the novel she was fighting. Are you trying to find compromise when there is none? Or is it only because it concerns a character you dont like.



    Zugzug has definitely some side effects on you since you ignore canon sources.
    Ahahahaha sure.

    Infracted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amaterasu65 View Post
    Ahahahaha sure.
    So trolling it is then.

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    I think N'zoth will end up being the focus of the next expansion. If they kill him off this expansion, they are going to be rushing content and frankly, I have no idea what they'd have in mind for next expansion if not for old god themed content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therealbowser View Post
    I think N'zoth will end up being the focus of the next expansion. If they kill him off this expansion, they are going to be rushing content and frankly, I have no idea what they'd have in mind for next expansion if not for old god themed content.
    Most likely it will be even if he dies or not in this expansion, void/old god theme is good for at least two expansions after BfA. After that we might get Mists of Sauralia, with Saurolisks choosing sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by therealbowser View Post
    I think N'zoth will end up being the focus of the next expansion. If they kill him off this expansion, they are going to be rushing content and frankly, I have no idea what they'd have in mind for next expansion if not for old god themed content.
    They will off him in this expansion because they're hacks. Sylvanas might get a SoO rehash as a mini-raid in 8.2.5, explaining why Eternal Palace has so few bosses.

    On-Topic: Not going to happen. Sylvanas is an Old God puppet and unlike the truly chad Warchiefs, she won't get to be an end boss. That'd imply she'd have screen time after all. If she doesn't run away to be more evil she'll get taken out in a side-raid.
    Last edited by Super Dickmann; 2019-06-03 at 09:45 AM.
    Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewshine View Post
    That would be a fucking mess of lore. Old gods have always been defeated by an army/ large raid. That’s how much of a strong forces they are.

    No way a single “BANSHEE” lets make it clear Sylvanas is not some unique undead. Power wise a Lich would wipe the floor with her. Beside how would she stop N’zoth? With the blade he wants her to have in order to corrupt her?
    I think it is quite clear, that Blizzard have made her into something more than just "a common undead". She can even raise the dead apperantly, so her power lvl is up there.

    It would be an odd turn of events and they are really turning it up for Sylvanas to go "away" soon, so her just killing N'zoth would be wierd, unless she absorbs his power or something.

    ....But to be honest, 8.3 will without a doubt be The Black Empire patch and N'zoth will be at its end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flurryfang View Post
    I think it is quite clear, that Blizzard have made her into something more than just "a common undead". She can even raise the dead apperantly, so her power lvl is up there.
    She could always do that. Black arrow is a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    How doest stating two contradictory sentences paint a clear canon version of the story. Ingame she was kneeling, in the novel she was fighting. Are you trying to find compromise when there is none? Or is it only because it concerns a character you dont like.
    You can see the second part of my comment. Why you are only focusing on the part you're not agreeing with?
    It's not like I don't like her, I don't feel sympathy to any of the characters in WoW. But if I'd see, for an example, Mathias Shaw killing N'Zoth in the 8.2 then I'd be kinda disgusted.
    The only thing that concerns me are the people who are overhyping Sylvanas, though they lack arguments for their statements. She's a very popular character in this forum, so yeah... I could stand like 2-3 posts/threads about her, but after seeing the bland false about her, being stronger than Malfurion, repeating over and over it's getting kinda annoying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    She could always do that. Black arrow is a thing.
    A think there is a bit of a jump between black arrow and then the show of necromancy at the Battle of Undercity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    Most likely it will be even if he dies or not in this expansion, void/old god theme is good for at least two expansions after BfA. After that we might get Mists of Sauralia, with Saurolisks choosing sides.
    You seriously think the "void lord" stuff will be tied up in two expansions? Not likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therealbowser View Post
    You seriously think the "void lord" stuff will be tied up in two expansions? Not likely.
    Well the Burning Crusade was here for 20 years, I can easily see the Void with a mix of the Light will have us busy for 3-4 years, yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    They will off him in this expansion because they're hacks. Sylvanas might get a SoO rehash as a mini-raid in 8.2.5, explaining why Eternal Palace has so few bosses.

    On-Topic: Not going to happen. Sylvanas is an Old God puppet and unlike the truly chad Warchiefs, she won't get to be an end boss. That'd imply she'd have screen time after all. If she doesn't run away to be more evil she'll get taken out in a side-raid.
    Blizzard already said that there won't be an SoO for this expansion. Unless they are blatantly lying, they aren't going to do that with Sylvanas. The odds of her being raid fodder is near 0%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therealbowser View Post
    Blizzard already said that there won't be an SoO for this expansion. Unless they are blatantly lying, they aren't going to do that with Sylvanas. The odds of her being raid fodder is near 0%.
    Yes and Teldrassil will be a twist and Grom will be a raid boss. Also this expansion isn't Mists 2.0 despite having every plot point beat for beat in the interminable rebellion storyline. She might not die in a raid right away and she might leave the Horde prior to becoming such, but these are cosmetics.
    Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    To be fair she ambushed and hit him with a special poisoned arrow beforehand and thus had a massive advantage. Arthas was also not the Lich King yet, in that form temporarily stunning him so that the party could escape is the best she could do, which is on par with that Jaina did before she also got various DBZ power level upgrades.

    Sylvanas definitely isn't able to take on N'zoth, at least not 1v1, but I strongly doubt that's her plan at all. She would either serve him with extra benefits as Azshara did, be manipulated by him (most likely) or try a convoluted scheme to trap and obtain his power which, if her track record is any indication, has a 99.9% chance to fail spectacularly.
    I just realized they mirrored that already...

    ... when Lord Godfrey, a relatively freshly raised minion (a Gilnean Noble turned Forsaken with not special power), surprised her with a specially prepared bullet on the back of her skull, effectively killing her, as in One Shot kill.

    One more Arthas to Sylvanas parallel, and another one not in her favor, for Godfrey was much more competent at betrayal/revenge than her. Now if he had dealt with the stupid Orc as well we would be in much less trouble.
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    N'zoth dies in Season 8, Episode 8.3
    She stabs him with her dagger and he shatters all over Azeroth so players have to collect N'zotherit.
    The highlight will be a cinematic N'zoth singing "Shatter Me", Lindsey Sterling playing the violin and Sylvanas dancing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ls- View Post
    It'd be hilarious if he died in some cutscene or quest, like Ysera in Legion :V
    Don't give Blizzard's "season 8 of GoT was amazeballs" writers any ideas... What if they actually read this and were all like "this would subvert expectations so much!!1!"?


    Quote Originally Posted by Feanoro View Post
    So since it favors a character you like, you're suddenly ok with them shitting on established lore. Got it.
    Don't put words in my mouth because you have no argument whatsoever, yet feel the need to desperately try to pretend that you do. Post-retcon lore is canon. That is simply a fact. Me stating that fact does in no way, shape or form mean I'm OK with them retconning things, because words mean things and the words I actually wrote do not convey the latter message.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    Is it really so hard for you to be objective? Xavius' shade was obviously not as powerful as Xavius himself - but it was extremely powerful
    Care to point out specifically which part of what I said was wrong? Oh, you can't, because everything I said is correct, which is precisely why you are engaging in this meandering BS instead? OK then, great quality post you contributed to the forum.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    Malfurion was beating her in the book as well. Imagine being such a fanboy you try to change established lore
    Except you're making shit up. Sylvanas fought Malfurion three times in the novel. The first time was when Lorash was captured by Malfurion and he was stalling. It ended with Malfurion running away after Sylvanas arrived. The second time was after the Horde captured Astanaar and Night Elf assassin tried to lure Saurfang outside of the inn. Saurfang declared Mak'gora on Malfurion, was captured by Malfurion's vines and was saved by Sylvanas' arrival. It also ended with Malfurion running away. The final bout is the one where Malfurion got axed by Saurfang. The only part of that fight we see in the novel is Sylvanas launching Malfurion into trees with dark magic and Saurfang throwing his axe at him when he was raising.

    So your reply to @Friendlyimmolation here is a case of pot calling the kettle black, except you made the kettle up. Congrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flurryfang View Post
    A think there is a bit of a jump between black arrow and then the show of necromancy at the Battle of Undercity
    There is also bit of a jump between Jaina summoning water elementals and later soloing entire cities with her flying ghost ship but I dont see you complaining about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    There is also bit of a jump between Jaina summoning water elementals and later soloing entire cities with her flying ghost ship but I dont see you complaining about that.
    It's a flying ghost ship! Flying ghost ship! Ji Firepaw could be in charge of that and still destroy entire cities!
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