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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by lakylog View Post
    No, because if one person goes vegan literally nothing changes. If the issue is meat production, unless that person owns a slaughterhouse and decides to shut it down, it has literally 0 impact on anything other than their diet, at which point the only logical thing would be farts. Abstaining from meat only has effect as a collective, not an individual. Therefore by recycling 1 bottle, I will have a bigger impact than by going vegan for the rest of my life. That is unless my farts do more harm to the environment than recycling does good.
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  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    You really don't know the first thing about any of this.
    Maybe not, but I'm willing to listen enough to learn. How will me not eating meat help the environment more than if I were to recycle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themerlin View Post
    Cars are a luxury.

    A time saver like the washing machine was to the women's rights movement in the 50-60's.

    Electric cars will revolutionize the world like the combustion engine did, size does not necessarily matter, except that your personal foot mark on the environment will be larger, since you are consuming more energy.

    The smaller...the better.
    The tiniest of cars:



    They don't get much smaller than that!

  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Themerlin View Post
    Cars are a luxury.

    A time saver like the washing machine was to the women's rights movement in the 50-60's.

    Electric cars will revolutionize the world like the combustion engine did, size does not necessarily matter, except that your personal foot mark on the environment will be larger, since you are consuming more energy.

    The smaller...the better.
    I gotta disagree. I'm 194cm and built big, so tiny soda-can cars are just miserable for me. I need a little more space than the average 5'9 or 5'10 guy.

    Also, in the western US and western Canada, cars are a necessity, not a luxury. If I don't have a car, and live in a rural area, I'm stuck.
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    Funny how my Ford Escape is a SUV with 4WD and I've taken it off-road plenty of times. It also gets about 25-27 MPG city driving which is pretty on par with your typical car.

  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by lakylog View Post
    Maybe not, but I'm willing to listen enough to learn. How will me not eating meat help the environment more than if I were to recycle?
    Stop lying. I presented you with information that you didn’t fucking read. So don’t turn around and paint yourself as some open minded person who just wants to learn.
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  7. #107
    Does it include compact SUV's? i got an Mazda CX-3 2019

  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    The tiniest of cars:

    They don't get much smaller than that!
    Oh god.

    That think looks like it would have a rough time in a stiff crosswind lol.

    I have always had a soft spot for Japanese Kei cars. Even the older ones can get 45+mpg(20+km/l). They tend to be 660cc engines which I think is a standard for the class. Would be nice to have something a bit bigger but you do not need something so powerful in such a tiny car.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_Cappuccino woo!

    A lot of them are also body on frame, which means they are easily modified. I just find it a bit surprising they have not got even an inkling of a foothold elsewhere other than Japan.
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  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Narwhalosh Whalescream View Post
    They are bigger than regular cars without being able to go offroad better than a regular car. The only good thing about them is that they are spacious, but so are hatchbacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afrospinach View Post
    Oh god.

    That think looks like it would have a rough time in a stiff crosswind lol.

    I have always had a soft spot for Japanese Kei cars. Even the older ones can get 45+mpg(20+km/l). They tend to be 660cc engines which I think is a standard for the class. Would be nice to have something a bit bigger but you do not need something so powerful in such a tiny car.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_Cappuccino woo!

    A lot of them are also body on frame, which means they are easily modified. I just find it a bit surprising they have not got even an inkling of a foothold elsewhere other than Japan.
    That's a nice looking car!

    My ideal vehicle would probably be something similar to a Jeep Wrangler, with a roll cage, a sturdy bullbar, off-road compatible, a second seat, and room enough in the back for a single bed and camping supplies. Sadly most Jeeps have awful mileage, so my dream of having a vehicle I can swap between my normal city life and just living in the woods from time to time may remain a dream.

  11. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Stop lying. I presented you with information that you didn’t fucking read. So don’t turn around and paint yourself as some open minded person who just wants to learn.
    Your wikipedia link states negative effects on the environment from meat production caused by collective increases in meat consumption around the world. So what you're telling me is that I'm wrong and providing my words in the form of an external source to prove so. Good job advocating your cause, I'm sure a lot of people will follow.

  12. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Vargulf the Happy Husky View Post
    semi trucks, though. that's what we need to focus on getting off the road at least in America.
    Semi-trucks should have their own lane that they have to stay in unless exiting a freeway. No passing unless there are 2 semi lanes.

    Personally I wish there were no large (and tall) vehicles for normal everyday driving because they take up too much space parking and they are hard to see around when driving a normal car. On the road it can be a safety issue when a large vehicle collides with a smaller one. A large part of the problem where I live is that parking spaces are really small and there is a lot of street parking. I hate street parking, but I hate it even more when there is some large truck or SUV blocking my view of the road. So, I would ban street parking and regulate larger parking spaces (and more underground parking structures to compensate) before getting rid of SUVs.

  13. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by Seirith View Post
    Uh no, I need an SUV for my business which pays my bills and keeps me from being homeless. A hatchback car is not big enough.I don't need a car of SUV to go off road but I do need it to be able to carry a lot.
    Get a station wagon or a proper business van. I'd laugh at someone that actually has to carry things arriving in a fucking SUV. If you want to be professional, get a van.

    Quote Originally Posted by Utinil View Post
    So I should be forced to get a pickup truck to haul my trailer instead of our SUV? Please explain how that is any better?
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    You can mount a ball hitch on pretty much any car; also a sedan. Just get one with decent power, and there are also plenty of 4WD options that aren't stupid houses on wheels.

    I have one on my station wagon, and it has pulled everything I hooked up nicely so far. That gives me ample storage in the car on top of it, but isn't so stupidly wide that it effectively blocks its neighbouring regular parking spaces over here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutnbrg View Post
    id like to see ur honda civic be anywhere near as good offroad as my durango...
    If you're using a Durango to go off-road then I'd say you have a legitimate reason. The problem is when people drive these vehicles to commute to work on paved roads or buy groceries, and nothing that requires a SUV style vehicle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stelio Kontos View Post
    I have a 2016 Dodge Challenger and a 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee for utilities. I'm good, so no, I don't need some nanny-minded person telling me what I should be driving. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Utinil View Post
    So I should be forced to get a pickup truck to haul my trailer instead of our SUV? Please explain how that is any better?
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    I don't see why you'd need a SUV to haul a trailer? Is this a work trailer because a pickup truck would make more sense. Otherwise an SUV does make sense. SUV's do have their utility but more often than not people use it because that's what they like to drive.

  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by lakylog View Post
    Your wikipedia link states negative effects on the environment from meat production caused by collective increases in meat consumption around the world. So what you're telling me is that I'm wrong and providing my words in the form of an external source to prove so. Good job advocating your cause, I'm sure a lot of people will follow.
    Not sure what is so difficult about this. I suspect you're making it difficult on purpose.
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  16. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Not sure what is so difficult about this. I suspect you're making it difficult on purpose.
    Is your idea of proving a point just telling someone they're wrong without providing a point to begin with? I fell for your bait. You outsmarted me.

  17. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by BoltBlaster View Post
    Its not about size, its about engine. V8 sedan will pollute more than small SUV.

    Just tax per engine size, like its done in many countries already. That would discourage people from buying cars with huge polluting engines. Tax anything over 2 litres into oblivion, tax V6 and V8 so much that manufacturers would abandon those engines.
    I've got a better idea. How about we charge the morons who like trolling WoW by playing ugly gnomes 60 a month instead of 15? See how dumb that looks?

    A 2 liter engine is pathetic. I already had to pay a lot for my supercharged V8, thank you. If I pass 10 vehicles maybe 1 is v8 and that's USA. V8s aren't hurting the planet, China and India are.

    As for the OP, small vehicles suck. I need power to most quick and size to put stuff in. I'm faster than all small cars minus a Porsche maybe, I fit just fine in the lane and parking. What's the issue?

  18. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by lakylog View Post
    Is your idea of proving a point just telling someone they're wrong without providing a point to begin with? I fell for your bait. You outsmarted me.
    You're not making a lick of fucking sense. Here's what happened:

    - I claim the best thing a person can do for the environment is to go vegan.

    - You made a stupid retort with no facts or common sense.

    - I give you information on how the meat industry is more detrimental to the environment than just about any other industry.

    - You don't read it but claim to be open minded and want to learn.

    - I call bullshit.

    - You finally read it, then can't make the connection between stopping eating meat and lessening the impact of the meat industry's destruction....yet somehow try to question my point yet again.
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  19. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by P for Pancetta View Post
    You should go to the US and drive around a bit, their roads are absolute garbage and maintenance is extremely rare.
    Where? American here, I barrel down 70 mph roads at 85mph smooth as butter feels like I'm on a maglev.

  20. #120
    I agree OP.

    Ive also noticed SUV drivers are normally bad drivers that have 0 consideration for others on the road and constantly block intersection visibility with their over the top height compared to normal cars and they have to slowly go more and more forward over the fucking lines. Because they are shit driver/shit selfish people.
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