Page 18 of 21 FirstFirst ...
8
16
17
18
19
20
... LastLast
  1. #341
    Why is this too hard to understand for people?

    Is retail too hardcore? Yes
    Is retail too casual? Yes

    Modern wow is servicing casual players and hardcore players at the same time.

  2. #342
    Quote Originally Posted by Terongor View Post
    Yeah I know the preparations were the hardest part and that because it was new but that still doesn't excuse of it in anyway. also having it max 3 different ranks of spells and down ranking spells came mostly into play with healers, but the raids itself were much simple mc and bwl neeeded for you to have fire resistance AQ both needed nature resistance and naxx needed frost resistance and the pieces you needed were much rarer and harder to find but mechanics wise it was simple as it had few mechanics mostly boss hits hard or having dance like heigans dance(dodging the plague) which was only hard because it suprised peole and lagging internet and hard part came from having to keeping aggro on tanks and keeping yourself from going OOM which is the reason for down ranking.

    Most of collecting parts weren't hard as time consuming isn't hard its just time consuming.

    - - - Updated - - -



    You should actually watch some classic gameplay from 2006 from tank pov from raids and see how they only use sunder armor and here and preaches 100% legitimate analyse of warrior https://youtu.be/74fmTBRTnDg?t=245 "preach sunder for the entire game until burning crusade 4:50". As it was low level dungeons or questing they don't matter on long run as only thing which truly matters is the end game which is in this case either raiding or pvp as you easily be max level in under a month.
    I am not gonna watch 2006 gameplay when between 2006 and 2019 there is 13 years of vannila theoricrafting what made even most useless specs like balance druid relevant. When i was level8ng my mage in TBC i was ooming like crazy becouse i was noob. When i levek now i can chain pull 10 mobs befor o need to rest becouse i got much better in mana and abillity managment. Which for me is far more complex than spamin 4-5 buttons. It is just muscle memory. You dont have thong about it at all. But in classic you work with limited resources and it forces you to be constantly engaged and thinking about yourgameplat. I am gonna play resto shaman when classic launches. When you heal you have to be carefull with your mana. This forces you to manage different ranks of spell to be more efficient, not overheal and go oom.

  3. #343
    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    I am not gonna watch 2006 gameplay when between 2006 and 2019 there is 13 years of vannila theoricrafting what made even most useless specs like balance druid relevant. When i was level8ng my mage in TBC i was ooming like crazy becouse i was noob. When i levek now i can chain pull 10 mobs befor o need to rest becouse i got much better in mana and abillity managment. Which for me is far more complex than spamin 4-5 buttons. It is just muscle memory. You dont have thong about it at all. But in classic you work with limited resources and it forces you to be constantly engaged and thinking about yourgameplat. I am gonna play resto shaman when classic launches. When you heal you have to be carefull with your mana. This forces you to manage different ranks of spell to be more efficient, not overheal and go oom.
    As anyone becomes more experienced yeah it becomes more easier and nobody used max level ranks from healers just heals from lvl 30-40 and shit tons heal + equipments also casting heals back to back consumed too much mana and abusing the 5 sec rule.

    Your example balance druid works only if you use full set of scholo dungeon gear and if you lost the set effect you would be useless so no real power progress for them in raids so why would you bother? Theorycrafting most found set that made some specss playble but didn't change any major rotation. So no.

  4. #344
    Quote Originally Posted by Shnider View Post
    Why is this too hard to understand for people?

    Is retail too hardcore? Yes
    Is retail too casual? Yes

    Modern wow is servicing casual players and hardcore players at the same time.
    Yet it seems it's not servicing the people who want a reasonable difficulty all the time in all levels of content. Who want reasonable complexity without being overcomplicated. People who want moderately engaging gameplay not faceroll or ADHD.

  5. #345
    Quote Originally Posted by Gavll View Post
    Yet it seems it's not servicing the people who want a reasonable difficulty all the time in all levels of content. Who want reasonable complexity without being overcomplicated. People who want moderately engaging gameplay not faceroll or ADHD.
    A false statement I think. Normal & heroic difficulty are for people who want moderate difficulty.

    You can literally find any difficulty you like. Mythic+ also caters all difficulties. You can choose any level you find comfortable and go with it.

  6. #346
    Quote Originally Posted by Shnider View Post
    A false statement I think. Normal & heroic difficulty are for people who want moderate difficulty.

    You can literally find any difficulty you like. Mythic+ also caters all difficulties. You can choose any level you find comfortable and go with it.
    No, not a false statement. Levelling is zero challenge. Normal and Heroic dungeons are zero challenge. All world content is zero challenge. I'm not interested in retail raiding. M0 at launch was about right. I'm not interested in pushing high M+.

    I don't want to have to go looking for anything. I want everything to be the difficulty I like. Modern WoW does not cater for this.

  7. #347
    Quote Originally Posted by Shnider View Post
    A false statement I think. Normal & heroic difficulty are for people who want moderate difficulty.

    You can literally find any difficulty you like. Mythic+ also caters all difficulties. You can choose any level you find comfortable and go with it.
    You know wow used to be more than just raids right? And you can get heroic level loot by just facerolling world q now so noth normal and heroic raids are absolote.

    It really blows my mind how mobs in the world can be so weak. It ia like mob casting spell on your location. It takes them like 4-5 sec so even braindead can avoid it and when it hits you it is like for 5% of your total health. It is sooo boring.
    Last edited by Elias01; 2019-06-14 at 02:54 PM.

  8. #348
    Quote Originally Posted by Gavll View Post
    No, not a false statement. Levelling is zero challenge. Normal and Heroic dungeons are zero challenge. All world content is zero challenge. I'm not interested in retail raiding. M0 at launch was about right. I'm not interested in pushing high M+.

    I don't want to have to go looking for anything. I want everything to be the difficulty I like. Modern WoW does not cater for this.
    Here's the thing Levelling, normal and heroic dungeons (outside of Cata where it made people flee the game at WoD levels), world contents have always been zero challenge. Expecting challenge in Classic is like playing anything civ on chieften difficulty and expect competent enemies.

  9. #349
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Here's the thing Levelling, normal and heroic dungeons (outside of Cata where it made people flee the game at WoD levels), world contents have always been zero challenge. Expecting challenge in Classic is like playing anything civ on chieften difficulty and expect competent enemies.
    That's total bollocks as evidenced by mythic raiders like Preach wiping in Scarlet Monastery. People dying to 2 mobs while questing. I presume you never died once in Vanilla? Sure you can pull one mob at a time and play it safe but you're still gonna fuck up and die in a way that just can't happen in retail. I've played on PServers for 4 years. I know what to expect.

  10. #350
    Its to much stress and egoism. Few people just help someone or go out of their way for 5 minutes for anything

  11. #351
    Bloodsail Admiral Outofmana's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Netherlands
    Posts
    1,115
    You have to realise _why_ they keep pushing mythic+ and making raids unattainable for casuals (normal raids being so useless that no 'normal' chill guild exists). The entire game is built around being able to buy 30d gamecards and selling them on the AH for gold, to get boosted in said mythics+raids. And for the high end players to get some consumables. They keep the casual, or even all, of the audience busy with addiction-pushing systems like timed worldquests/invasions (ALWAYS something to do, like 1 more turn in civilization) while dangling the ez boost carrot. Problem with something? just buy a gamecard and sell on the AH, ez gold. Making it 'legal' means everyone does it now.

    For all the rage about Diablo mobile, people don't even realise BFA already is one in essence.

    I fully expect this sub-for-gold system to be introduced around Diremaul release in classic, with Diremaul north even being killed and made impossible as a solofarm, so people will, also in classic, buy gametime to sell on the AH to get them some gold. Blizzard will not give this extremely lucrative business up should classic grow large enough.

    The way this will be introduced will be with a lot of bullshit 'player convinience, we aren't changing anything about classic itself!". But gamecards for AH will come to classic and will ruin it in the end, making it another boosting fiesta. Imagine people needing so many flasks on naxx release, you really think ActivisionBlizzard won't have a goldbuying option by then?
    Last edited by Outofmana; 2019-06-29 at 10:39 AM.

  12. #352
    I feel it's been getting less hardcore over the years. The mechanics, bar a few unique ones, are always just stay out of fire, dodge something that will 1 shot you, and kill the boss before they enrage.

  13. #353
    Nope you are not correct kind sir

  14. #354
    Quote Originally Posted by Sleezeman View Post
    Nope you are not correct kind sir
    Why are you necroing this?

  15. #355
    Quote Originally Posted by Greyvax View Post
    It's hard to compare the state of the game in 2019 to that in 2005. The MMORPG mentality has evolved since then.
    World of warcraft has evolved since then, to a multiplayer hack and slash, that is what it is now. The MMORPG mentality is what has people playing old school MMO's and grindy MMO's like BDO.
    One Sweet Dream

  16. #356
    Modern WoW mythics raiding is extremely hardcore

    The rest is tuned for everyone between age 2 and 99.

  17. #357
    Quote Originally Posted by Askyl View Post
    Modern WoW mythics raiding is extremely hardcore

    The rest is tuned for everyone between age 2 and 99.
    That's not exactly correct. Full mythic raids are extremely hardcore. While full heroic raids are pretty easy. So that takes a big range of difficulty curve that's not covered by the game. Usually those people are killing few bosses in mythic, but that's a terrible game, because you're not really finishing anything. That burned out me, personally.

  18. #358
    People clearing mythic or trying are certainly the targeted demo of retail, despite being a low % of total players. When Classic is an option, retail guilds trying to be hardcore will take a major hit. Retail guilds with a history of clearing will be fine but will probably lose some people they didn't expect to lose.
    One Sweet Dream

  19. #359
    Quote Originally Posted by Shnider View Post
    Why is this too hard to understand for people?

    Is retail too hardcore? Yes
    Is retail too casual? Yes

    Modern wow is servicing casual players and hardcore players at the same time.
    Yes, it is "servicing casual players and hardcore players at the same time" and they fail to service the remaining 90%.
    Last edited by MiiiMiii; 2019-08-06 at 11:45 AM.

  20. #360
    Quote Originally Posted by MiiiMiii View Post
    Yes, it is "servicing casual players and hardcore players at the same time" and they fail to service the remaining 90%.
    the heck are you talking about? you're either casual or hardcore.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •