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  1. #541
    Quote Originally Posted by Zyky View Post
    Low effort playstyles don't deserve the same rewards as people who invest actual time in the raids.

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    I love how you think Classic is actually going to remain popular after a month or two. After the hype dies down, all the people who want gear for minimal effort, IE 90% of the people in this thread whining about M+ rewards being nerfed, will leave Classic before even hitting lv60.
    In my hypothetical scenario they would piss off M+ players, which means a vast majority of WoW players would quit. In that scenario, yes I truly believe that Classic would overshadow retail in terms of player count. WoW without an active M+ community would be dead in the water and f2p/scrapped faster than you think. Classic player count would be bigger than Retail WoW without M+, not even close. The only reason WoW is even relevant in the MMO market is entirely because of M+. This feature needs to be honed, cherished and be their flagship for content. Raiding as we know it (mechanically super complex mythic raiding) is dying fast. People don't want 100 abilities spammed at their character. Classic raiding will be more popular although it takes more time to farm. Mythic raiding is absolutely unnecessary for WoW success.

    And this is not "wishful" thinking. Each and every cycle sees less and less guilds and players participate in mythic raids.
    Last edited by Qnubi; 2019-06-16 at 11:51 PM.

  2. #542
    Is this really happening or was the guy just trolling / getting confused at a temporary change?

  3. #543
    Quote Originally Posted by Qnubi View Post
    In my hypothetical scenario they would piss off M+ players, which means a vast majority of WoW players would quit. In that scenario, yes I truly believe that Classic would overshadow retail in terms of player count. WoW without an active M+ community would be dead in the water and f2p/scrapped faster than you think. Classic player count would be bigger than Retail WoW without M+, not even close. The only reason WoW is even relevant in the MMO market is entirely because of M+. This feature needs to be honed, cherished and be their flagship for content. Raiding as we know it (mechanically super complex mythic raiding) is dying fast. People don't want 100 abilities spammed at their character. Classic raiding will be more popular although it takes more time to farm. Mythic raiding is absolutely unnecessary for WoW success.

    And this is not "wishful" thinking. Each and every cycle sees less and less guilds and players participate in mythic raids.
    And yet, there's roughly the same amount of guilds clearing the highest difficulty raid content each tier since Wrath as there is now. Crying that top end raiding isn't an important aspect of the game is just plain ignorant. M+ isn't needed for WoW to be successful, it was successful for a decade without it and they aren't even removing it, they're just making the rewards match the effort, which is an acceptable change.

    But in no way would Classic ever be more popular than retail, even on the top private servers highest point they only had 300k "active" accounts, which they later had to redact because it was skewed with bots and several accounts that weren't actually active. Classic will be lively for a couple months, then the playerbase won't play it regardless of a MINIMAL change that they do to M+.
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  4. #544
    Quote Originally Posted by Azerate View Post
    Is this really happening or was the guy just trolling / getting confused at a temporary change?
    people jumped the gun and decided to act like the sky was falling. Doing a 10 on the ptr currently drops 430 gear. Tomorrow when people open caches on the ptr they will likely give 440 gear.

    same as always.

  5. #545
    Quote Originally Posted by dcc626 View Post
    people jumped the gun and decided to act like the sky was falling. Doing a 10 on the ptr currently drops 430 gear. Tomorrow when people open caches on the ptr they will likely give 440 gear.

    same as always.
    So whats the word? Was this just speculation or do you have shiny 440 gear in your cache?

  6. #546
    Quote Originally Posted by Teaon View Post
    yea Uldir, BoD and CoS are clearly meleecraft

    and if you are talking about m+, its roguecraft not meleecraft.
    Whaat!?
    Uldir and CoS was a mix of melee and ranged,
    BoD is a raid which favors more ranged than melee dps.
    In fact if you see the hc and My logs the first 6 positions are all occupied by ranged classes and not by melee.
    The first melee is the sin rogue in 7th position.
    Furthermore there is not a single fight where as top dps there is a melee .
    So write that BoD is a raid for melee gives me the impression that you are playing another game.
    Also First Kill CoS, maybe there was only one melee in the group the rest was ele sham, shadow e affli lock
    In m+ I agree with you, if you plan to push keys like melee dps, you only have three solutions: OW Rogue > WW Monk >= Havoc DH.
    Last edited by CiccioBello; 2019-06-18 at 02:30 PM.

  7. #547
    Quote Originally Posted by ZaouSai View Post
    So whats the word? Was this just speculation or do you have shiny 440 gear in your cache?
    find out as soon as someone who did dungeons last week opens one im sure it will be all over the forums one way or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcc626 View Post
    find out as soon as someone who did dungeons last week opens one im sure it will be all over the forums one way or the other.
    so, weekly chest gives 440. As an aside - a 16 gave a little over 22k titan residuum.

  8. #548
    Is it confirmed that the ilvl for M10 end of dungeon is 420 and the weekly chest is 430 on live?

  9. #549
    Quote Originally Posted by Vladar View Post
    Is it confirmed that the ilvl for M10 end of dungeon is 420 and the weekly chest is 430 on live?
    when season 3 starts, end of dungeon reward for +10 will be 430. Weekly chest will be 440.

  10. #550
    Quote Originally Posted by thedoom View Post
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    Thanks to all these selfish, arrogant raiders who kept complaining to blizzard that Mythic+ dropped good gear.

    This game is soo garbage now, if you don't run raids then there is 0 content left. It's time to unsub until Classic WoW.
    QQ babycakes.

  11. #551
    Either way it will not get people to fill up raids either. Smaller scale content is easier to organize and complete on any time structure where as raids are horrible for. I am sure people will continue to do Mythic plus regardless of the reduced rewards.

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    I like how this has been proven to not be the case and people are still running with it because they're not actually reading the thread, just the OP.
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  13. #553
    Quote Originally Posted by RoKPaNda View Post
    I like how this has been proven to not be the case and people are still running with it because they're not actually reading the thread, just the OP.
    5 pages to deal with a complete non-issue was funny. 28 pages now is just ... well I don't really even have a word for this. What makes it even better is that the ilvl bumps have worked this exact same way for every new season for two expansions. But that's not going to get in the way of the pitchfork and torch crowd.

  14. #554
    Quote Originally Posted by Trend View Post
    5 pages to deal with a complete non-issue was funny. 28 pages now is just ... well I don't really even have a word for this. What makes it even better is that the ilvl bumps have worked this exact same way for every new season for two expansions. But that's not going to get in the way of the pitchfork and torch crowd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    Don't you get mythic level gear from doing 15 year old battle grounds?
    Technically, yea, but your rating needs to be in the top 5% of players doing rated PvP overall.
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  16. #556
    Quote Originally Posted by Trend View Post
    What makes it even better is that the ilvl bumps have worked this exact same way for every new season for two expansions.
    How should the average MMO-C player know with most likely 5-10 days /played max each expansion pack? Most don't even finish one tier.

    MoP => DailyQuests suxx || was changed pretty early on => player quit in the first weeks
    WoD => Garrison suxx || was changed to one of the most broken gold fountains => player quit in the first weeks
    LEGION => Legendary drop suxx || was changed to 100% drops after X content (bad-luck-protection) => player quit in the first weeks
    BfA => everything suxx || guess what

    Just look at threads about your favourite expansion and 99% of the pro's/con's are about first 1-2week stuff nobody even cares.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ange View Post
    How should the average MMO-C player know with most likely 5-10 days /played max each expansion pack? Most don't even finish one tier.

    MoP => DailyQuests suxx || was changed pretty early on => player quit in the first weeks
    WoD => Garrison suxx || was changed to one of the most broken gold fountains => player quit in the first weeks
    LEGION => Legendary drop suxx || was changed to 100% drops after X content (bad-luck-protection) => player quit in the first weeks
    BfA => everything suxx || guess what

    Just look at threads about your favourite expansion and 99% of the pro's/con's are about first 1-2week stuff nobody even cares.
    #1. The person I was responding to was saying that people were not responding to the content in the thread that correctly state how and why the OP is wrong ... they have just been responding to the OP. In answer to your question, the average MMO-C user should have figured out what the deal is with this particular topic by READING THE THREAD and not just the OP. That was the whole point and it's still true.

    #2. I don't know why you're talking about a bunch of stuff that does not have anything to do with the topic of the thread. New mythic plus seasons have only been a thing since Legion and in regards to what the OP was freaking about, they've worked the same for each new season after the first. It seems that maybe you haven't read the thread to know what we're talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoKPaNda View Post
    I like how this has been proven to not be the case and people are still running with it because they're not actually reading the thread, just the OP.

    That's because everyone just hits reply and never reads past the 1st post.
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